/pt/ – Petrarchan

>been a while since we had one of these threads has it been?

Here's an average day where I'm from. I wake up not because I'm rested, but because the wageslaver needs me to sit under LED lights 8 hours a day, 5 days a week. I check my phone and the first thing I see is my algorithm usual curated panic of a world on fire, filtered through a feed designed to make me feel helpless enough to keep working. My job is a meaningless ritual of emails and repetitive actions, a performance of productivity that generates wealth for someone I’ll never meet, while my own wages stagnate. BUT, I'm one of the few 'lucky ones'. AT LEAST I HAVE A JOB (right?). AI hasn't replaced me YET. My landlord who raises the price of my rent each year, ensures I’ll never own anything that truly matters. Not a home, not my time, not my future. My friendships (coworkers) are maintenance texts and memes, my love life a graveyard of ghosted matches. Politics is a branding exercise, the courts are a concierge service for the rich, and my vote is a participation ritual that the validates status quo... A game that has been rigged before I was even born. The majority of people here are psychically controlled by their lies that have been proven to work for centuries. The borders are open for the most cynical reasons. It's really to drive down wages and keep people divided politically. But that's not what our ruling class politicians will say (if they're not too busy inside-trading stocks and even willing to address this issue at all)... They say its because this generation is too lazy to work and we need hard workers on one side. The other side says the moment they cross the border 'they're one of us', extending full rights to them such as welfare (anyone who disagrees is heartless). The 'official' unemployment at 4%. But that's not including the people who just quit looking for work... because all their applications get thrown out. The real unemployment number +25%. Somehow its better living here than in Nicaragua, or so they say. But the Nicaraguans don't even live here they send the money back home and retire at 30 years old. But I guess its better than india, because they're staying here for now. but thats Monday through Friday. Today? Today is Saturday, so I day drink by myself. I refuse to talk about israel and the war right now and how they've captured the top of society through sexual blackmail. that's later in the day. I'm only a 2 beers in right now this morning and playing OSRS (another medieval work simulator with bots and Venezuelan goldfarmers trying to make RWT money) >If you ever wondered what an average white American feels like I didn't mean to make this a verbose black pilling session. But the topic got me thinking about trying to be positive, but I guess I just used it as an opportunity to take a shit.

>>9837

Here's an average day where I'm from. I wake up not because I'm rested, but because the wageslaver needs me to sit under LED lights 8 hours a day, 5 days a week. I check my phone and the first thing I see is my algorithm usual curated panic of a world on fire, filtered through a feed designed to make me feel helpless enough to keep working. My job is a meaningless ritual of emails and repetitive actions, a performance of productivity that generates wealth for someone I’ll never meet, while my own wages stagnate. BUT, I'm one of the few 'lucky ones'. AT LEAST I HAVE A JOB (right?). AI hasn't replaced me YET. My landlord who raises the price of my rent each year, ensures I’ll never own anything that truly matters. Not a home, not my time, not my future. My friendships (coworkers) are maintenance texts and memes, my love life a graveyard of ghosted matches. Politics is a branding exercise, the courts are a concierge service for the rich, and my vote is a participation ritual that the validates status quo... A game that has been rigged before I was even born. The majority of people here are psychically controlled by their lies that have been proven to work for centuries. The borders are open for the most cynical reasons. It's really to drive down wages and keep people divided politically. But that's not what our ruling class politicians will say (if they're not too busy inside-trading stocks and even willing to address this issue at all)... They say its because this generation is too lazy to work and we need hard workers on one side. The other side says the moment they cross the border 'they're one of us', extending full rights to them such as welfare (anyone who disagrees is heartless). The 'official' unemployment at 4%. But that's not including the people who just quit looking for work... because all their applications get thrown out. The real unemployment number +25%. Somehow its better living here than in Nicaragua, or so they say. But the Nicaraguans don't even live here they send the money back home and retire at 30 years old. But I guess its better than india, because they're staying here for now. but thats Monday through Friday. Today? Today is Saturday, so I day drink by myself. I refuse to talk about israel and the war right now and how they've captured the top of society through sexual blackmail. that's later in the day. I'm only a 2 beers in right now this morning and playing OSRS (another medieval work simulator with bots and Venezuelan goldfarmers trying to make RWT money) >If you ever wondered what an average white American feels like I didn't mean to make this a verbose black pilling session. But the topic got me thinking about trying to be positive, but I guess I just used it as an opportunity to take a shit.

This type of reflexive ingratitude for the gift of life is really abhorrent to me. As immoral as anything can possibly be. You should wake up every day and thank god for the privilege. There is no political, economic, or social arrangement that would satisfy you. In post-scarcity white luxury state-mandated-gf communism you would still be instinctively drawn to misery.

>>9873 GO FOR A WALK!!!!!!

“I hate life and myself” “Why?” “Because of the news” “Have you tried not reading the news” “What are you, a nihilist?”

>>9838

>>9837 This type of reflexive ingratitude for the gift of life is really abhorrent to me. As immoral as anything can possibly be. You should wake up every day and thank god for the privilege. There is no political, economic, or social arrangement that would satisfy you. In post-scarcity white luxury state-mandated-gf communism you would still be instinctively drawn to misery.

life is so not a gift. i do think that if you make the choice not to end it you should try to improve your life and that does consist of not torturing yourself mentally but life is not a gift. not for most people. also i cant wait for the RS religious larp to end. you all are a contrarian bunch so its going to happen eventually. i'll wait

>>9838

>>9837 This type of reflexive ingratitude for the gift of life is really abhorrent to me. As immoral as anything can possibly be. You should wake up every day and thank god for the privilege. There is no political, economic, or social arrangement that would satisfy you. In post-scarcity white luxury state-mandated-gf communism you would still be instinctively drawn to misery.

>This type of reflexive ingratitude for the gift of life is really abhorrent to me. As immoral as anything can possibly be. You should wake up every day and thank god for the privilege. I'm not here for a platitudes and positive thinking. I was just typing what many are unwilling to type or don't care to. But I'm happy for you. I won't break your delusion. >There is no political, economic, or social arrangement that would satisfy you Absolutely false. Is it too much to ask for a government body that cares for the average man? Is that really too much? >In post-scarcity white luxury state-mandated-gf communism Not needed and straw man >>9873 >GO FOR A WALK!!!!!! I know you think I'm joking when I say this but I'll say it anyways... If you know the meme about 'american suburbs' and all. City-planners and designers actively discourage walking and outdoor activities. I do not even have a sidewalk outside my apartment complex. Now you could speculate why is that? (encourage driving? stop people from gathering outside?) But that's to ignore the fact you're giving me boomer platitudes that do nothing. At this moment, I'm content with sipping my beer piss on my way to 99 fletching. >>9840

“I hate life and myself” “Why?” “Because of the news” “Have you tried not reading the news” “What are you, a nihilist?”

Ah yes if I just ignored the news. That surely stops my rent going up, wages stagnating, immigrants coming in, taxes raising (from wars), and all the sudden people care about each other. Better yet, just talking about this I'm told, I'm the problem. I need to get on psych-meds.

>>9837

Here's an average day where I'm from. I wake up not because I'm rested, but because the wageslaver needs me to sit under LED lights 8 hours a day, 5 days a week. I check my phone and the first thing I see is my algorithm usual curated panic of a world on fire, filtered through a feed designed to make me feel helpless enough to keep working. My job is a meaningless ritual of emails and repetitive actions, a performance of productivity that generates wealth for someone I’ll never meet, while my own wages stagnate. BUT, I'm one of the few 'lucky ones'. AT LEAST I HAVE A JOB (right?). AI hasn't replaced me YET. My landlord who raises the price of my rent each year, ensures I’ll never own anything that truly matters. Not a home, not my time, not my future. My friendships (coworkers) are maintenance texts and memes, my love life a graveyard of ghosted matches. Politics is a branding exercise, the courts are a concierge service for the rich, and my vote is a participation ritual that the validates status quo... A game that has been rigged before I was even born. The majority of people here are psychically controlled by their lies that have been proven to work for centuries. The borders are open for the most cynical reasons. It's really to drive down wages and keep people divided politically. But that's not what our ruling class politicians will say (if they're not too busy inside-trading stocks and even willing to address this issue at all)... They say its because this generation is too lazy to work and we need hard workers on one side. The other side says the moment they cross the border 'they're one of us', extending full rights to them such as welfare (anyone who disagrees is heartless). The 'official' unemployment at 4%. But that's not including the people who just quit looking for work... because all their applications get thrown out. The real unemployment number +25%. Somehow its better living here than in Nicaragua, or so they say. But the Nicaraguans don't even live here they send the money back home and retire at 30 years old. But I guess its better than india, because they're staying here for now. but thats Monday through Friday. Today? Today is Saturday, so I day drink by myself. I refuse to talk about israel and the war right now and how they've captured the top of society through sexual blackmail. that's later in the day. I'm only a 2 beers in right now this morning and playing OSRS (another medieval work simulator with bots and Venezuelan goldfarmers trying to make RWT money) >If you ever wondered what an average white American feels like I didn't mean to make this a verbose black pilling session. But the topic got me thinking about trying to be positive, but I guess I just used it as an opportunity to take a shit.

>>9844

>>9838 life is so not a gift. i do think that if you make the choice not to end it you should try to improve your life and that does consist of not torturing yourself mentally but life is not a gift. not for most people. also i cant wait for the RS religious larp to end. you all are a contrarian bunch so its going to happen eventually. i'll wait

>not for most people. We are just talking about you right now (assuming you're the same anon in both posts). I don't want to be mean/brutal but you read like someone who is very invested in being victimized by the world. This is not even about religion. Once the lower end of Maslow's pyramid is set, failing to find contentment (not even talking about happiness) is usually either mental illness or a mental prison of your own making generally built upon a failure to notice what you already have. All the problems you quote are not your own (AI maybe replacing future you, future you not owning anything, Salvadorians, Palestinians) or no problem at all (food and shelter against 40 somewhat boring hours, the absence of "meaning" you do not seem to seek anyway in the 128 hours left in your week). Learning about history and news should have taught you that you have more (power, freedom, knowledge, money etc.) than 99% of every human that has lived. What do you do with it? How can you not extract a drop of contentment out of it? Do you know?

>>9844

>>9838 life is so not a gift. i do think that if you make the choice not to end it you should try to improve your life and that does consist of not torturing yourself mentally but life is not a gift. not for most people. also i cant wait for the RS religious larp to end. you all are a contrarian bunch so its going to happen eventually. i'll wait

>also i cant wait for the RS religious larp to end. you all are a contrarian bunch so its going to happen eventually. i'll wait It's a NATO strategy to depoliticize/deradicalize and remoralize. They need you in uniform. Again, its all for nefarious purposes. The same people who complained about george soros(left) 10 years ago are here with peter thiel(right). Willing participants in anything that will give them an identity in this culture less dystopia that's being created before our eyes.

>>9846

>>9837 >>9844 >not for most people. We are just talking about you right now (assuming you're the same anon in both posts). I don't want to be mean/brutal but you read like someone who is very invested in being victimized by the world. This is not even about religion. Once the lower end of Maslow's pyramid is set, failing to find contentment (not even talking about happiness) is usually either mental illness or a mental prison of your own making generally built upon a failure to notice what you already have. All the problems you quote are not your own (AI maybe replacing future you, future you not owning anything, Salvadorians, Palestinians) or no problem at all (food and shelter against 40 somewhat boring hours, the absence of "meaning" you do not seem to seek anyway in the 128 hours left in your week). Learning about history and news should have taught you that you have more (power, freedom, knowledge, money etc.) than 99% of every human that has lived. What do you do with it? How can you not extract a drop of contentment out of it? Do you know?

>Learning about history and news should have taught you that you have more (power, freedom, knowledge, money etc.) than 99% of every human that has lived. Is this true though? Are schools actually taught for you to become successful? Even kids go to school the same hours as my work week. starting at 7 years old they go to school monday-friday 40 hours week. Again, I really don't want to change your opinions on these things. So for your own sake, don't think too deeply about what I'm saying.

Alright anons, tell me about your countries. I didn't intend to derail a thread. You're all just telling me I'm the problem with my country, which is nice. So tell me about where you're from/your average day.

>Ah yes if I just ignored the news. That surely stops my rent going up, wages stagnating, immigrants coming in, taxes raising (from wars), and all the sudden people care about each other. When someone does this reddit half-sarcasm shit starting with "Ah yes" (and it's ALWAYS "ah yes"), you can easily and immediately ignore everything they have to say.

>>9846

>>9837 >>9844 >not for most people. We are just talking about you right now (assuming you're the same anon in both posts). I don't want to be mean/brutal but you read like someone who is very invested in being victimized by the world. This is not even about religion. Once the lower end of Maslow's pyramid is set, failing to find contentment (not even talking about happiness) is usually either mental illness or a mental prison of your own making generally built upon a failure to notice what you already have. All the problems you quote are not your own (AI maybe replacing future you, future you not owning anything, Salvadorians, Palestinians) or no problem at all (food and shelter against 40 somewhat boring hours, the absence of "meaning" you do not seem to seek anyway in the 128 hours left in your week). Learning about history and news should have taught you that you have more (power, freedom, knowledge, money etc.) than 99% of every human that has lived. What do you do with it? How can you not extract a drop of contentment out of it? Do you know?

nope i'm not the person who wrote that comment. but i disagree with what you said. yes i'm luckier than 99% that have ever lived but that does not oblige me to be happy. perhaps 10,000 years later someone would look back at our life and pity us. luck will always be relative. i can acknowledge how good i have it while also being unhappy. they're not mutually exclusive

>>9848

>>9846 >Learning about history and news should have taught you that you have more (power, freedom, knowledge, money etc.) than 99% of every human that has lived. Is this true though? Are schools actually taught for you to become successful? Even kids go to school the same hours as my work week. starting at 7 years old they go to school monday-friday 40 hours week. Again, I really don't want to change your opinions on these things. So for your own sake, don't think too deeply about what I'm saying.

>Are schools actually taught for you to become successful? What does it have to do with anything? I don't follow your reasoning, please explain. >>9851

>>9846 nope i'm not the person who wrote that comment. but i disagree with what you said. yes i'm luckier than 99% that have ever lived but that does not oblige me to be happy. perhaps 10,000 years later someone would look back at our life and pity us. luck will always be relative. i can acknowledge how good i have it while also being unhappy. they're not mutually exclusive

>i can acknowledge how good i have it while also being unhappy. Sure you can. The whole point is that it is an ability you're deciding to turn into a fatality.

hi I live in south florida. it's a little hard right now because summer is starting to dust off and the heat is already a problem. but I can't wait to go to the beach and paddleboard!

>>9847

>>9844 >also i cant wait for the RS religious larp to end. you all are a contrarian bunch so its going to happen eventually. i'll wait It's a NATO strategy to depoliticize/deradicalize and remoralize. They need you in uniform. Again, its all for nefarious purposes. The same people who complained about george soros(left) 10 years ago are here with peter thiel(right). Willing participants in anything that will give them an identity in this culture less dystopia that's being created before our eyes.

>>9844

>>9838 life is so not a gift. i do think that if you make the choice not to end it you should try to improve your life and that does consist of not torturing yourself mentally but life is not a gift. not for most people. also i cant wait for the RS religious larp to end. you all are a contrarian bunch so its going to happen eventually. i'll wait

I didn’t capitalize “god” on purpose. My point is not a religious one. YOU WILL DIE ONE DAY!! And it’s not Peter Thiel or Netanyahu that made it that way. The natural state of things for the last 100,000 years of humanity was a never-ending Malthusian meat grinder. That you don’t go to bed every night outside in the dirt, that you don’t want for food, is a miracle. Sorry if your current position of first world luxury is too tenuous for you, but to be given all of this as birthright and then complain that the ELITES are conspiring to take your (better than 99% of the world, 10x better than medieval kings) lifestyle away would be disgusting even if it were true. “I can’t go on a walk because there aren’t any sidewalks” YOU LIVE IN A PRISON OF YOUR OWN MAKING

What a waste

>>9856

>>9847 >>9844 I didn’t capitalize “god” on purpose. My point is not a religious one. YOU WILL DIE ONE DAY!! And it’s not Peter Thiel or Netanyahu that made it that way. The natural state of things for the last 100,000 years of humanity was a never-ending Malthusian meat grinder. That you don’t go to bed every night outside in the dirt, that you don’t want for food, is a miracle. Sorry if your current position of first world luxury is too tenuous for you, but to be given all of this as birthright and then complain that the ELITES are conspiring to take your (better than 99% of the world, 10x better than medieval kings) lifestyle away would be disgusting even if it were true. “I can’t go on a walk because there aren’t any sidewalks” YOU LIVE IN A PRISON OF YOUR OWN MAKING

why did you assume i live in a first world country? and elites are conspiring to take good elements of everyones lifestyle away, btw. this is just fact

north carolina. the weather's been lovely this spring. cool mornings. only a week or two of the humid + hot combo that makes the summers miserable. i've lived in a number of places, deep south, west coast, northeast, and i'm really happy here for a number of reasons, though i do hate seeing all the hideous apartment complexes replacing wooded lots.

>>9850

>Ah yes if I just ignored the news. That surely stops my rent going up, wages stagnating, immigrants coming in, taxes raising (from wars), and all the sudden people care about each other. When someone does this reddit half-sarcasm shit starting with "Ah yes" (and it's ALWAYS "ah yes"), you can easily and immediately ignore everything they have to say.

So 'ah yes' is your trigger word? >brain turn off >run cope.exe >no further reading lmao. where are the plebbitors?

Copenhagen. It's a nice city, somewhat big, but manageably so. t. admin

For some reason I had it in my head that the admin was Argentinian

>>9859

>>9856 why did you assume i live in a first world country? and elites are conspiring to take good elements of everyones lifestyle away, btw. this is just fact

>why did you assume i live in a first world country? Anon is not the only one assuming, probably because you seem to have a lot of time to complain about what the elites are thinking.

Poland. I've been around, though mostly south&west so the more developed parts. And yes, you are free to have your allotment of one Pollock joke, as a treat. I haven't lived abroad for any prolonged period of time, so while I try to stay informed I don't exactly have super solid comparison from Lived Experience™. But feel free to ask questions if you care to. Is fine though. I try to maintain healthy worldview and avoid both oikophoby and self-flagellation of liberal parts of population, and delusions of grandeur & cliche martyrology of people more to the right. Objectively speaking I've lived through a period of unparalleled prosperity, at least as far as individual consumption and comfort go. That the best conditions are result of de facto colonization and change of status from periphery to still subservient outer imperial core is a bit depressing, I would say. There are problems, and more coming down the line, but I've herd numerous western expats (and not just the sex tourist kind of expats) say that it's kind of a place-to-be at the moment, which is a bit hard to gauge from my pov, but I can believe it.

I'm from Australia but I live in London now. I like it. The weather is not nearly as bad as everyone says it is: it really doesn't get that cold and doesn't seem to rain anymore than other places I've lived. Generally I find people here, whether British or foreigners, to be more friendly and open minded than people back home. It's easier to find people who share interests. People are more interested in art or culture, compared to similar PMC/yuppie circles in Australia where the main interests are sports and electoral politics and reality TV. Pubs are smaller and have fewer tables, so often if you go for a drink you have to stand outside in the street which is conducive to mingling with others and bumming cigs etc compared to back home where you need to book a table at a lot of pubs and people just stick with their own groups. In general, most things are more expensive and worse quality. Eating out or getting coffee is sometimes double what it cost me in Australia and normally pretty shit. Gyms are overcrowded, dirty, and not air-conditioned. Planes are not cleaned after the previous flight disembarks. Cinema screens at chain theatres are dirty and the sound systems often have issues. Rental houses are full of mould and dust and housemates seem to care very little about keeping things clean. High streets always have rubbish bags piled up under lampposts and they'll frequently break apart and spill litter everywhere. There are countless ugly vape shops everywhere, which somehow still make money even though you can just buy vapes at the supermarket when you get your groceries. In Australia people complain a lot about how expensive everything is but at least the salaries are higher and you actually get a decent service or product when you pay for something, and at least people put effort in to making things look nice. I miss the natural beauty of many Australian cities. London is mostly ugly and I only feel otherwise when the sun comes out and I spend all day out in a part or a beer garden. The general bleakness and decay I encounter on a daily basis fits in with the narrative of British declinism. A lot of people have just given up about their future. They seek short term pleasures like travel or very expensive music festivals. People care less about their health. Everyone smokes. Five pints on a week night is normal. People well into their thirties are still in the same phase of life as me even though I'm in my twenties: no plans to start a family, no plans to stop living with house mates, no savings for the future. There is a sense here that people in their thirties are just starting out in life/relationships/careers whereas I always thought about thirties in Australia as a decade where those things would be established. I guess everyone is less optimistic and more hedonistic overall.

>>9896

I'm from Australia but I live in London now. I like it. The weather is not nearly as bad as everyone says it is: it really doesn't get that cold and doesn't seem to rain anymore than other places I've lived. Generally I find people here, whether British or foreigners, to be more friendly and open minded than people back home. It's easier to find people who share interests. People are more interested in art or culture, compared to similar PMC/yuppie circles in Australia where the main interests are sports and electoral politics and reality TV. Pubs are smaller and have fewer tables, so often if you go for a drink you have to stand outside in the street which is conducive to mingling with others and bumming cigs etc compared to back home where you need to book a table at a lot of pubs and people just stick with their own groups. In general, most things are more expensive and worse quality. Eating out or getting coffee is sometimes double what it cost me in Australia and normally pretty shit. Gyms are overcrowded, dirty, and not air-conditioned. Planes are not cleaned after the previous flight disembarks. Cinema screens at chain theatres are dirty and the sound systems often have issues. Rental houses are full of mould and dust and housemates seem to care very little about keeping things clean. High streets always have rubbish bags piled up under lampposts and they'll frequently break apart and spill litter everywhere. There are countless ugly vape shops everywhere, which somehow still make money even though you can just buy vapes at the supermarket when you get your groceries. In Australia people complain a lot about how expensive everything is but at least the salaries are higher and you actually get a decent service or product when you pay for something, and at least people put effort in to making things look nice. I miss the natural beauty of many Australian cities. London is mostly ugly and I only feel otherwise when the sun comes out and I spend all day out in a part or a beer garden. The general bleakness and decay I encounter on a daily basis fits in with the narrative of British declinism. A lot of people have just given up about their future. They seek short term pleasures like travel or very expensive music festivals. People care less about their health. Everyone smokes. Five pints on a week night is normal. People well into their thirties are still in the same phase of life as me even though I'm in my twenties: no plans to start a family, no plans to stop living with house mates, no savings for the future. There is a sense here that people in their thirties are just starting out in life/relationships/careers whereas I always thought about thirties in Australia as a decade where those things would be established. I guess everyone is less optimistic and more hedonistic overall.

I appreciate your comment, and don't take this as an attack, but it doesn't really sound like you "like" London after that description of it lol.