obviously it's sinking. I feel like I'm in a dream. why do people keep building? they voted today - building over an ex golf course, the biggest green space they had. now green is gone. next on the agenda - the incinerator. toxic fumes lingering over my house, along with the constant airplanes. so I must go...where do I go? in-land? another country? one day I will die and the idea of my home will die with me. is that why electeds do this? using my own mortality against me?
leave miami? :
Anonymous :
12 days ago :
No.9436
>>9446
>>9436 (OP)
never been to Miami (but interested), though i've visited Florida to see the Port St Lucie area (family there).
i don't think you'll find anywhere decent to live where they aren't compulsively building. the places which have stalled entered into a death spiral, you can see them all along middle america.
if you really hate miami, leave, but i imagine there is opportunity and culture in a way that many parts of this country lack.
fwiw, i enjoyed florida more than i expected. i thought it would be vapid and silly and full of old grouchy old jews, which it was, but it was also genuinely gorgeous.
>>9495>>9436 (OP)
>building over an ex golf course, the biggest green space they had.
You guys are secondhand murdering everybody in the world because your culture is fucking soulless and excessive and we are fucking stuck with you because you have us at nuclear fucking bomb point and somehow social decay (and where has more of it) has absolutely nothing to do with environmentalism and is a useless tangent
I wouldn't mind moving to Miami. I don't think I could handle the heat but it seems like such a strange little pocket dimension. I think, contrary to much of the scoffing at Miami's vapidity, it has a much more advanced and sophisticated culture than the more sclerotic and frigid coasts. At the forefront of the Brazilification (positive) of the US.
i.e. Try living in Minneapolis, gusano.
If I wasn't married I think I would move to Brazil. I'd move there TODAY.
>>9436 (OP)
never been to Miami (but interested), though i've visited Florida to see the Port St Lucie area (family there).
i don't think you'll find anywhere decent to live where they aren't compulsively building. the places which have stalled entered into a death spiral, you can see them all along middle america.
if you really hate miami, leave, but i imagine there is opportunity and culture in a way that many parts of this country lack.
fwiw, i enjoyed florida more than i expected. i thought it would be vapid and silly and full of old grouchy old jews, which it was, but it was also genuinely gorgeous.
Miami is tolerable for an American city, despite the usual flaws that come with that category (overconstruction, car worship, bad public transport). It has easy access to many places via the airport and cruise ships. There's also a fucking train now, who would have guessed that Florida would be the one to build new transport in the US?? The overwhelming Caribbean/Latin influence is simultaneously charming, refreshing, tacky, and hollowed-out. At least they still have some tangible connection to their home culture as opposed to NY boricuras, or even worse, Sun Belt pochos.
Sorry that it's sinking but there aren't any worthwhile places in the US that don't have some sort of environmental threat (and more that have environmental dealbreakers and aren't even worth it on top of that). The problems you listed are 100% American issues and not at all specific to Miami. I think you just hate America. You can leave, but a lot of Americans think they want to leave but aren't really good at hacking it out.
I loved the street chickens. They were my favorite.
I ordered a coffee from a Cuban coffee shop in Little Havana. The menu was in Spanish and the transaction between us was conducted entirely in Spanish. With such a lack of English, one could possibly start to forget that they were in the US... until I saw the multiple Trump 2020 stickers on the wall of the coffee shop.
What a sublime idiotic mess ideology is.
Anonymous :
11 days ago :
No.9449
>>9454
>>9449
thank you for this honest answer. not that I hate America I was just thinking of moving somewhere with higher elevation. miami isn't just another american city, it's akin to New Orleans in the constant floods and hurricane damage. yes all major cities in the u.s. are sinking but they weren't built on a literal swamp. miami/n.o. join the ranks of other global cities that may cease to exist by the time of my death. obviously having a sunny free culture isn't gonna stop my house from sinking
>>9455>>9449
I bought a house at 24, America is the best.
For all the despair over The News and our at-times ugly urban sprawl, it's rarely appreciated that if you're younger than 45 in any other country you are a member of the permanent underclass. The gerontocracy is bad in the US but compare to Canada, France, Germany, it's just unbelievable. Time is running out to b sure but I would not want to be born in any other country.
The healthcare is nice tho
>>9464>>9449
"Europe"
What, Iceland Or Cyprus? Belarus or Portugal? Fuck
In general, I don't really think the USA is the place to be anymore if you are looking for an especially high quality of life. I am an American myself and I have hacked it outside of the USA for the last 10 years (young but not that young) in Canada and Europe, but obviously I was able to use education and (early on) parental support in such a case - it seems pretty difficult to immigrate away from the USA without these pipelines. Every time I come back to visit my parents everything just seems like it is getting worse. My friends from back home mostly all have a sense of dread even if they are reasonably monetarily successful. If you want green and you don't want to change too much culturally, see how you can make it out to western Canada. Calgary, Vancouver, Edmonton are really nice cities and the lies about Canada that Americans often talk about are... well, lies. In practice it is just the USA with a higher quality of life and less general social disarray, not that it's without its problems (immigration laxness, housing).
Personally, if I were in the USA still, the only place I could really see myself living is Alaska. I recognize that all of the specific places that I have mentioned are completely different than Miami in terms of weather. But I'd avoid Texas, Arizona, and California if anything.
Anonymous :
11 days ago :
No.9454
>>9463
>>9455
Certainly yeah! (Guy you replied to)
I don't think that the USA is a lost cause at all or something, but I don't think that anybody I know is really "happy" there and I think it really only partially has to do with affordability. I'd make a shit ton more money in the USA in my field of work than in Europe and could probably dabble in home ownership within a few years but I don't think I'd be living more comfortably.
I left, but by the same token there is a reason that I am the only one of my friends growing up that did leave and who held the sentiment of even wanting to leave from a younger age. The way I see it I guess is that the tradeoffs you get from being a part of a lower class in Europe are better than those I might receive in the USA even if I strive quite a bit. I wouldn't want my kids to go to a school in the USA instead of where I live in Europe or one in Canada, not for safety boogeymans but for quality - my educational background was markedly worse than the people around me when I arrived to university in Canada and I remember feeling it and feeling embarrassed (I am from the South which of course also has something to do with these feelings). I also reject the notion that the underclass in Europe in this case is permanent - there are more barriers to business ownership and personal financial success in Europe compared to the USA but class transcendence is certainly not an insurmountable goal. You can live a comfortable life here with much less, it's robust (I would not say this about Canada). It feels like there's a very pervasive culture of excess that you are obligated to buy into in the USA and that people are always trying to get one over on you - it's not for me, but I'm not blind to the obvious upsides of living in the USA nor the asymmetric effects that may come from impending economic crises. I would still maintain comfortably that it is a society with a lower quality of life and higher amount of social decay than where I live now and in the past in Canada. I figured because of the tone of the OP they might entertain the idea of wanting to leave is all, which I'd still sort of recommend just because I really do think those places in the west are gorgeous and worth packing up and moving to. After reading >>9454 though I think that they have plenty of good options in the USA. Move somewhere cold and endearing that has abundant and good quality drinking water.
>>9449
In general, I don't really think the USA is the place to be anymore if you are looking for an especially high quality of life. I am an American myself and I have hacked it outside of the USA for the last 10 years (young but not that young) in Canada and Europe, but obviously I was able to use education and (early on) parental support in such a case - it seems pretty difficult to immigrate away from the USA without these pipelines. Every time I come back to visit my parents everything just seems like it is getting worse. My friends from back home mostly all have a sense of dread even if they are reasonably monetarily successful. If you want green and you don't want to change too much culturally, see how you can make it out to western Canada. Calgary, Vancouver, Edmonton are really nice cities and the lies about Canada that Americans often talk about are... well, lies. In practice it is just the USA with a higher quality of life and less general social disarray, not that it's without its problems (immigration laxness, housing).
Personally, if I were in the USA still, the only place I could really see myself living is Alaska. I recognize that all of the specific places that I have mentioned are completely different than Miami in terms of weather. But I'd avoid Texas, Arizona, and California if anything.
thank you for this honest answer. not that I hate America I was just thinking of moving somewhere with higher elevation. miami isn't just another american city, it's akin to New Orleans in the constant floods and hurricane damage. yes all major cities in the u.s. are sinking but they weren't built on a literal swamp. miami/n.o. join the ranks of other global cities that may cease to exist by the time of my death. obviously having a sunny free culture isn't gonna stop my house from sinking
Anonymous :
11 days ago :
No.9455
>>9463
>>9455
Certainly yeah! (Guy you replied to)
I don't think that the USA is a lost cause at all or something, but I don't think that anybody I know is really "happy" there and I think it really only partially has to do with affordability. I'd make a shit ton more money in the USA in my field of work than in Europe and could probably dabble in home ownership within a few years but I don't think I'd be living more comfortably.
I left, but by the same token there is a reason that I am the only one of my friends growing up that did leave and who held the sentiment of even wanting to leave from a younger age. The way I see it I guess is that the tradeoffs you get from being a part of a lower class in Europe are better than those I might receive in the USA even if I strive quite a bit. I wouldn't want my kids to go to a school in the USA instead of where I live in Europe or one in Canada, not for safety boogeymans but for quality - my educational background was markedly worse than the people around me when I arrived to university in Canada and I remember feeling it and feeling embarrassed (I am from the South which of course also has something to do with these feelings). I also reject the notion that the underclass in Europe in this case is permanent - there are more barriers to business ownership and personal financial success in Europe compared to the USA but class transcendence is certainly not an insurmountable goal. You can live a comfortable life here with much less, it's robust (I would not say this about Canada). It feels like there's a very pervasive culture of excess that you are obligated to buy into in the USA and that people are always trying to get one over on you - it's not for me, but I'm not blind to the obvious upsides of living in the USA nor the asymmetric effects that may come from impending economic crises. I would still maintain comfortably that it is a society with a lower quality of life and higher amount of social decay than where I live now and in the past in Canada. I figured because of the tone of the OP they might entertain the idea of wanting to leave is all, which I'd still sort of recommend just because I really do think those places in the west are gorgeous and worth packing up and moving to. After reading >>9454 though I think that they have plenty of good options in the USA. Move somewhere cold and endearing that has abundant and good quality drinking water.
>>9449
In general, I don't really think the USA is the place to be anymore if you are looking for an especially high quality of life. I am an American myself and I have hacked it outside of the USA for the last 10 years (young but not that young) in Canada and Europe, but obviously I was able to use education and (early on) parental support in such a case - it seems pretty difficult to immigrate away from the USA without these pipelines. Every time I come back to visit my parents everything just seems like it is getting worse. My friends from back home mostly all have a sense of dread even if they are reasonably monetarily successful. If you want green and you don't want to change too much culturally, see how you can make it out to western Canada. Calgary, Vancouver, Edmonton are really nice cities and the lies about Canada that Americans often talk about are... well, lies. In practice it is just the USA with a higher quality of life and less general social disarray, not that it's without its problems (immigration laxness, housing).
Personally, if I were in the USA still, the only place I could really see myself living is Alaska. I recognize that all of the specific places that I have mentioned are completely different than Miami in terms of weather. But I'd avoid Texas, Arizona, and California if anything.
I bought a house at 24, America is the best.
For all the despair over The News and our at-times ugly urban sprawl, it's rarely appreciated that if you're younger than 45 in any other country you are a member of the permanent underclass. The gerontocracy is bad in the US but compare to Canada, France, Germany, it's just unbelievable. Time is running out to b sure but I would not want to be born in any other country.
The healthcare is nice tho
Anonymous :
11 days ago :
No.9463
>>9469
>>9463
Yeah I actually agree on the culture of excess thing. If you express any kind of thrift or frugality to people you just get blank stares. Funnily enough, this is actually a big part of why the US economy is as strong as it is. The Yankee consumer refuses to hold onto money, as soon as the bank account hits 5 digits they're off on a Vegas trip or whatever.
My position is just that, if you're someone with your wits about you, who knows what they want, that has a little bit of intelligence or talent, you can build the life you want for yourself here. And sure, your peers might be downwardly-mobile klarna draftkings people, but your family will be in great shape.
And to be fair, even though I say "I would not want to be born in any other country", I spend a good amount of time thinking of how I might get my kids Swedish or German citizenship or something. I worry about the sustainability of the life that me and my friends have been able to carve out here.
>>9455
>>9449
I bought a house at 24, America is the best.
For all the despair over The News and our at-times ugly urban sprawl, it's rarely appreciated that if you're younger than 45 in any other country you are a member of the permanent underclass. The gerontocracy is bad in the US but compare to Canada, France, Germany, it's just unbelievable. Time is running out to b sure but I would not want to be born in any other country.
The healthcare is nice tho
Certainly yeah! (Guy you replied to)
I don't think that the USA is a lost cause at all or something, but I don't think that anybody I know is really "happy" there and I think it really only partially has to do with affordability. I'd make a shit ton more money in the USA in my field of work than in Europe and could probably dabble in home ownership within a few years but I don't think I'd be living more comfortably.
I left, but by the same token there is a reason that I am the only one of my friends growing up that did leave and who held the sentiment of even wanting to leave from a younger age. The way I see it I guess is that the tradeoffs you get from being a part of a lower class in Europe are better than those I might receive in the USA even if I strive quite a bit. I wouldn't want my kids to go to a school in the USA instead of where I live in Europe or one in Canada, not for safety boogeymans but for quality - my educational background was markedly worse than the people around me when I arrived to university in Canada and I remember feeling it and feeling embarrassed (I am from the South which of course also has something to do with these feelings). I also reject the notion that the underclass in Europe in this case is permanent - there are more barriers to business ownership and personal financial success in Europe compared to the USA but class transcendence is certainly not an insurmountable goal. You can live a comfortable life here with much less, it's robust (I would not say this about Canada). It feels like there's a very pervasive culture of excess that you are obligated to buy into in the USA and that people are always trying to get one over on you - it's not for me, but I'm not blind to the obvious upsides of living in the USA nor the asymmetric effects that may come from impending economic crises. I would still maintain comfortably that it is a society with a lower quality of life and higher amount of social decay than where I live now and in the past in Canada. I figured because of the tone of the OP they might entertain the idea of wanting to leave is all, which I'd still sort of recommend just because I really do think those places in the west are gorgeous and worth packing up and moving to. After reading >>9454>>9449
thank you for this honest answer. not that I hate America I was just thinking of moving somewhere with higher elevation. miami isn't just another american city, it's akin to New Orleans in the constant floods and hurricane damage. yes all major cities in the u.s. are sinking but they weren't built on a literal swamp. miami/n.o. join the ranks of other global cities that may cease to exist by the time of my death. obviously having a sunny free culture isn't gonna stop my house from sinking
though I think that they have plenty of good options in the USA. Move somewhere cold and endearing that has abundant and good quality drinking water.
>>9449
In general, I don't really think the USA is the place to be anymore if you are looking for an especially high quality of life. I am an American myself and I have hacked it outside of the USA for the last 10 years (young but not that young) in Canada and Europe, but obviously I was able to use education and (early on) parental support in such a case - it seems pretty difficult to immigrate away from the USA without these pipelines. Every time I come back to visit my parents everything just seems like it is getting worse. My friends from back home mostly all have a sense of dread even if they are reasonably monetarily successful. If you want green and you don't want to change too much culturally, see how you can make it out to western Canada. Calgary, Vancouver, Edmonton are really nice cities and the lies about Canada that Americans often talk about are... well, lies. In practice it is just the USA with a higher quality of life and less general social disarray, not that it's without its problems (immigration laxness, housing).
Personally, if I were in the USA still, the only place I could really see myself living is Alaska. I recognize that all of the specific places that I have mentioned are completely different than Miami in terms of weather. But I'd avoid Texas, Arizona, and California if anything.
"Europe"
What, Iceland Or Cyprus? Belarus or Portugal? Fuck
>9464
When Americans talk between one another about "Europe" I feel like it's sort of generally agreed that we are talking about the meat of it, the relevant parts - France, Germany, Netherlands, Italy, even Spain, etc. With experience living in different places and having close friends who come from different places in the continent I feel comfortable in believing that what I said is pretty generalizable across the bulk (but certainly not all) of countries in the Southern, Western, and Central mainland. Obviously I'm not talking about Cyprus man, I shouldn't really have to say that.
>>9464
>>9449
"Europe"
What, Iceland Or Cyprus? Belarus or Portugal? Fuck
>>9465>9464
When Americans talk between one another about "Europe" I feel like it's sort of generally agreed that we are talking about the meat of it, the relevant parts - France, Germany, Netherlands, Italy, even Spain, etc. With experience living in different places and having close friends who come from different places in the continent I feel comfortable in believing that what I said is pretty generalizable across the bulk (but certainly not all) of countries in the Southern, Western, and Central mainland. Obviously I'm not talking about Cyprus man, I shouldn't really have to say that.
Fuck i'm retarded argument invalidated lol
>>9463
>>9455
Certainly yeah! (Guy you replied to)
I don't think that the USA is a lost cause at all or something, but I don't think that anybody I know is really "happy" there and I think it really only partially has to do with affordability. I'd make a shit ton more money in the USA in my field of work than in Europe and could probably dabble in home ownership within a few years but I don't think I'd be living more comfortably.
I left, but by the same token there is a reason that I am the only one of my friends growing up that did leave and who held the sentiment of even wanting to leave from a younger age. The way I see it I guess is that the tradeoffs you get from being a part of a lower class in Europe are better than those I might receive in the USA even if I strive quite a bit. I wouldn't want my kids to go to a school in the USA instead of where I live in Europe or one in Canada, not for safety boogeymans but for quality - my educational background was markedly worse than the people around me when I arrived to university in Canada and I remember feeling it and feeling embarrassed (I am from the South which of course also has something to do with these feelings). I also reject the notion that the underclass in Europe in this case is permanent - there are more barriers to business ownership and personal financial success in Europe compared to the USA but class transcendence is certainly not an insurmountable goal. You can live a comfortable life here with much less, it's robust (I would not say this about Canada). It feels like there's a very pervasive culture of excess that you are obligated to buy into in the USA and that people are always trying to get one over on you - it's not for me, but I'm not blind to the obvious upsides of living in the USA nor the asymmetric effects that may come from impending economic crises. I would still maintain comfortably that it is a society with a lower quality of life and higher amount of social decay than where I live now and in the past in Canada. I figured because of the tone of the OP they might entertain the idea of wanting to leave is all, which I'd still sort of recommend just because I really do think those places in the west are gorgeous and worth packing up and moving to. After reading >>9454 though I think that they have plenty of good options in the USA. Move somewhere cold and endearing that has abundant and good quality drinking water.
Yeah I actually agree on the culture of excess thing. If you express any kind of thrift or frugality to people you just get blank stares. Funnily enough, this is actually a big part of why the US economy is as strong as it is. The Yankee consumer refuses to hold onto money, as soon as the bank account hits 5 digits they're off on a Vegas trip or whatever.
My position is just that, if you're someone with your wits about you, who knows what they want, that has a little bit of intelligence or talent, you can build the life you want for yourself here. And sure, your peers might be downwardly-mobile klarna draftkings people, but your family will be in great shape.
And to be fair, even though I say "I would not want to be born in any other country", I spend a good amount of time thinking of how I might get my kids Swedish or German citizenship or something. I worry about the sustainability of the life that me and my friends have been able to carve out here.
Anonymous :
10 days ago :
No.9471
>>9472
>>9471
Climate change is not that big a deal
>>9476>>9471
already answered it (second paragraph of9447)/you should have made it more explicit if you wanted it to be the sole focus of the thread/environmentalism is a conversational dead end because the causes and solutions are unchanged nd out of collective grasp to change. Pointless circlular doomerism isn't very intellectally stimulating, which is what online conversations about environmentalism are unless you're literally organizing or discussing scientific minutae. But just the 'uhhhm Miami is sinking??? hello feel bad for me??' thing you're apparently going for is not it girl.
>>9494>>9471
>>9478
Isn't climate change and the cultural decadence that we are talking about sort of intrinsically linked? The idea that all of the needless medians between sidewalks and fast food restaurants having irrigated grass even in areas in the middle of drought crises (like south texas) should ring some bells. I don't believe that a society that lets local governments become so corrupt and jaded gets better... plus when I mentioned social decay for the first time, I wasn't talking to you. I talked to you and then somebody who wasn't you responded to me in a cool and interesting way. But to make it clear - if you care about environmental issues from the standpoint of wanting to avoid the consequences of needless injustices, the USA is not one of the best places to live. If you want to just avoid drowning and live somewhere green move to fucking Oregon man I don't know what to tell you, I already rattled off a few places what else do you want from me
I made this post about climate change, why is everyone talking about "culture" and "social decay"
Anonymous :
10 days ago :
No.9476
>>9478
>>9476
all of the issues I mentioned in the first post are environmental. if you don't find environmentalism intellectually stimulating you don't have to post dumbass. you didn't answer shit, miami (and new orleans) are unique to other cities in their issues. when I posted this I wanted to hear about other people who might live in cities that risk constant flooding and how they work around those issues.
>>9471
I made this post about climate change, why is everyone talking about "culture" and "social decay"
already answered it (second paragraph of9447)/you should have made it more explicit if you wanted it to be the sole focus of the thread/environmentalism is a conversational dead end because the causes and solutions are unchanged nd out of collective grasp to change. Pointless circlular doomerism isn't very intellectally stimulating, which is what online conversations about environmentalism are unless you're literally organizing or discussing scientific minutae. But just the 'uhhhm Miami is sinking??? hello feel bad for me??' thing you're apparently going for is not it girl.
Anonymous :
9 days ago :
No.9478
>>9480
>>9478
Can't you just build a flood wall? Not a real problem, sorry
>>9481>>9478
>all of the issues I mentioned in the first post are environmental
They are environmental consequences of bad policy and lazy minds. Just like every other environmental issue out there. What more can you squeeze out of this topic? We started talking about something more salient, almost unanimously this entire board took the post in a different direction. Take the hint.
>miami (and new orleans) are unique to other cities in their issues
They share this uniqueness with dozens of other major cities around the world, what a tiring American perspective. I'll cry over Venice or Bangkok before I shed a tear over your ugly Florida suburb, in fact I bet it'll make some very nice fish housing some time soon.
>when I posted this I wanted to hear about other people who might live in cities that risk constant flooding and how they work around those issues
So you should have put THAT in the OP! Bravo, we're finally getting around to the point. It only took 20 replies and me ribbing you a bit to arrive to your apparently intended topic of this OP. Too bad it's not reddit and you can't delete this shit because you didn't get the response you want. Anyway, I bet some Dutch would love to answer that question for you. Of course coordinated civil engineering is out of the question because this is America we're talking about, so the only thing up for debate is whether insurance companies will go bankrupt.
You must be a woman by the way you vaguepost and can't get to the fucking point, I'll bet my left toe on it.
>>9494>>9471
>>9478
Isn't climate change and the cultural decadence that we are talking about sort of intrinsically linked? The idea that all of the needless medians between sidewalks and fast food restaurants having irrigated grass even in areas in the middle of drought crises (like south texas) should ring some bells. I don't believe that a society that lets local governments become so corrupt and jaded gets better... plus when I mentioned social decay for the first time, I wasn't talking to you. I talked to you and then somebody who wasn't you responded to me in a cool and interesting way. But to make it clear - if you care about environmental issues from the standpoint of wanting to avoid the consequences of needless injustices, the USA is not one of the best places to live. If you want to just avoid drowning and live somewhere green move to fucking Oregon man I don't know what to tell you, I already rattled off a few places what else do you want from me
>>9476
>>9471
already answered it (second paragraph of9447)/you should have made it more explicit if you wanted it to be the sole focus of the thread/environmentalism is a conversational dead end because the causes and solutions are unchanged nd out of collective grasp to change. Pointless circlular doomerism isn't very intellectally stimulating, which is what online conversations about environmentalism are unless you're literally organizing or discussing scientific minutae. But just the 'uhhhm Miami is sinking??? hello feel bad for me??' thing you're apparently going for is not it girl.
all of the issues I mentioned in the first post are environmental. if you don't find environmentalism intellectually stimulating you don't have to post dumbass. you didn't answer shit, miami (and new orleans) are unique to other cities in their issues. when I posted this I wanted to hear about other people who might live in cities that risk constant flooding and how they work around those issues.
Anonymous :
9 days ago :
No.9480
>>9482
>>9481
>So you should have put THAT in the OP!
>You must be a woman by the way you vaguepost and can't get to the fucking point, I'll bet my left toe on it.
Do you have reading comprehension issues? The OP is pretty clear.
>>9480
I can't remember which SF novel described Shanghai hidden behind huge walls because of increased sea levels. The image is pretty vivid in my mind, despite having only read it.
But yeah, climate change is just gonna make the world more hostile, which it already was. I suspect the amount of suffering climate change is gonna materially add is still less than the amount of anguish people intoxicated by doomerism inflict on themselves.
>>9478
>>9476
all of the issues I mentioned in the first post are environmental. if you don't find environmentalism intellectually stimulating you don't have to post dumbass. you didn't answer shit, miami (and new orleans) are unique to other cities in their issues. when I posted this I wanted to hear about other people who might live in cities that risk constant flooding and how they work around those issues.
Can't you just build a flood wall? Not a real problem, sorry
Anonymous :
9 days ago :
No.9481
>>9482
>>9481
>So you should have put THAT in the OP!
>You must be a woman by the way you vaguepost and can't get to the fucking point, I'll bet my left toe on it.
Do you have reading comprehension issues? The OP is pretty clear.
>>9480
I can't remember which SF novel described Shanghai hidden behind huge walls because of increased sea levels. The image is pretty vivid in my mind, despite having only read it.
But yeah, climate change is just gonna make the world more hostile, which it already was. I suspect the amount of suffering climate change is gonna materially add is still less than the amount of anguish people intoxicated by doomerism inflict on themselves.
>>9478
>>9476
all of the issues I mentioned in the first post are environmental. if you don't find environmentalism intellectually stimulating you don't have to post dumbass. you didn't answer shit, miami (and new orleans) are unique to other cities in their issues. when I posted this I wanted to hear about other people who might live in cities that risk constant flooding and how they work around those issues.
>all of the issues I mentioned in the first post are environmental
They are environmental consequences of bad policy and lazy minds. Just like every other environmental issue out there. What more can you squeeze out of this topic? We started talking about something more salient, almost unanimously this entire board took the post in a different direction. Take the hint.
>miami (and new orleans) are unique to other cities in their issues
They share this uniqueness with dozens of other major cities around the world, what a tiring American perspective. I'll cry over Venice or Bangkok before I shed a tear over your ugly Florida suburb, in fact I bet it'll make some very nice fish housing some time soon.
>when I posted this I wanted to hear about other people who might live in cities that risk constant flooding and how they work around those issues
So you should have put THAT in the OP! Bravo, we're finally getting around to the point. It only took 20 replies and me ribbing you a bit to arrive to your apparently intended topic of this OP. Too bad it's not reddit and you can't delete this shit because you didn't get the response you want. Anyway, I bet some Dutch would love to answer that question for you. Of course coordinated civil engineering is out of the question because this is America we're talking about, so the only thing up for debate is whether insurance companies will go bankrupt.
You must be a woman by the way you vaguepost and can't get to the fucking point, I'll bet my left toe on it.
>>9481
>>9478
>all of the issues I mentioned in the first post are environmental
They are environmental consequences of bad policy and lazy minds. Just like every other environmental issue out there. What more can you squeeze out of this topic? We started talking about something more salient, almost unanimously this entire board took the post in a different direction. Take the hint.
>miami (and new orleans) are unique to other cities in their issues
They share this uniqueness with dozens of other major cities around the world, what a tiring American perspective. I'll cry over Venice or Bangkok before I shed a tear over your ugly Florida suburb, in fact I bet it'll make some very nice fish housing some time soon.
>when I posted this I wanted to hear about other people who might live in cities that risk constant flooding and how they work around those issues
So you should have put THAT in the OP! Bravo, we're finally getting around to the point. It only took 20 replies and me ribbing you a bit to arrive to your apparently intended topic of this OP. Too bad it's not reddit and you can't delete this shit because you didn't get the response you want. Anyway, I bet some Dutch would love to answer that question for you. Of course coordinated civil engineering is out of the question because this is America we're talking about, so the only thing up for debate is whether insurance companies will go bankrupt.
You must be a woman by the way you vaguepost and can't get to the fucking point, I'll bet my left toe on it.
>So you should have put THAT in the OP!
>You must be a woman by the way you vaguepost and can't get to the fucking point, I'll bet my left toe on it.
Do you have reading comprehension issues? The OP is pretty clear.
>>9480>>9478
Can't you just build a flood wall? Not a real problem, sorry
I can't remember which SF novel described Shanghai hidden behind huge walls because of increased sea levels. The image is pretty vivid in my mind, despite having only read it.
But yeah, climate change is just gonna make the world more hostile, which it already was. I suspect the amount of suffering climate change is gonna materially add is still less than the amount of anguish people intoxicated by doomerism inflict on themselves.
Anonymous :
8 days ago :
No.9494
>>9497
>>9494
>plus when I mentioned social decay for the first time, I wasn't talking to you.
I want to take this statement back on the account of me being a retard I totally did mention it unprompted but the point I am making about the (frankly obvious) connection stands - I don't really see how you have a productive conversation about environmentalism without talking about the culture of the highest polluting country per capita in the world outside of oil powerhouse arab states and island nations. Even breathing the name of the city New Orleans should make this such an obvious starting point for any serious environmental conversation - assuming that the real purpose of the thread is to talk about american cities sinking rather than relocation
>>9471
I made this post about climate change, why is everyone talking about "culture" and "social decay"
>>9478>>9476
all of the issues I mentioned in the first post are environmental. if you don't find environmentalism intellectually stimulating you don't have to post dumbass. you didn't answer shit, miami (and new orleans) are unique to other cities in their issues. when I posted this I wanted to hear about other people who might live in cities that risk constant flooding and how they work around those issues.
Isn't climate change and the cultural decadence that we are talking about sort of intrinsically linked? The idea that all of the needless medians between sidewalks and fast food restaurants having irrigated grass even in areas in the middle of drought crises (like south texas) should ring some bells. I don't believe that a society that lets local governments become so corrupt and jaded gets better... plus when I mentioned social decay for the first time, I wasn't talking to you. I talked to you and then somebody who wasn't you responded to me in a cool and interesting way. But to make it clear - if you care about environmental issues from the standpoint of wanting to avoid the consequences of needless injustices, the USA is not one of the best places to live. If you want to just avoid drowning and live somewhere green move to fucking Oregon man I don't know what to tell you, I already rattled off a few places what else do you want from me
Anonymous :
8 days ago :
No.9495
>>9498
>>9495
Scapegoating successful countries because yours refuses to fix their regulatory regime. Sad!
>>9500>>9495
Like jesus christ "if you didn't have a nuke we'd all team up to get rid of you!" okay and you would still have a 0.3% growth rate so what now.
If you didn't have US news to gawk at all day you'd immediately devolve into your own bespoke culture wars and maybe get something done. Won't ever happen though. Worry about paying off those IMF loans and then we'll talk. Broke ass
>>9520
>>9436 (OP)
>building over an ex golf course, the biggest green space they had.
You guys are secondhand murdering everybody in the world because your culture is fucking soulless and excessive and we are fucking stuck with you because you have us at nuclear fucking bomb point and somehow social decay (and where has more of it) has absolutely nothing to do with environmentalism and is a useless tangent
Anonymous :
8 days ago :
No.9497
>>9499
>>9497
Americans are incapable of seeing outside of their fishbowl and it's obvious when they open their mouth to talk about any topic. It's like when the 8 year old wants to engage in the conversation at the dinner table so everyone has to pause, slow down their discussion, simplify their rhetoric and go back to first principles just to steer the ship on course again.
>>9513>>9497
>I want to take this statement back on the account of me being a retard I totally did mention it unprompted
the thing is I was directing that comment mostly towards the people who were saying climate change isn't a big issue and started talking about stupid shit like Brazil. yes I agree these issues come from selfish and anti-social cultural ideas but I think there's an old guard that upholds this that gen z doesn't really give into as much (probably as a result of oversocialization via social media).
I think these super vulnerable cities like miami (e.g. Jakarta, Bangkok) are in a unique position underneath social decay from this post i was stream of consciousness writing about a question I'm constantly thinking about, maybe wanting to hear from other people who live in cities like mine? it's annoying people getting spergy under this post because I don't have exact questions I want to extract from their mind computer I'm just a /lit/ poster usually when I post it's out of creative expression
I will say I'm not the most knowledgable about Marxism and it went over my head that maybe America The Imperial Core will turn every city into Miami if I keep giving it my wages. then again, you guys said environmental doomerism is pointless but I can't conceive of an end to capitalism so it's pointless to try to predict the future of America
>>9494
>>9471
>>9478
Isn't climate change and the cultural decadence that we are talking about sort of intrinsically linked? The idea that all of the needless medians between sidewalks and fast food restaurants having irrigated grass even in areas in the middle of drought crises (like south texas) should ring some bells. I don't believe that a society that lets local governments become so corrupt and jaded gets better... plus when I mentioned social decay for the first time, I wasn't talking to you. I talked to you and then somebody who wasn't you responded to me in a cool and interesting way. But to make it clear - if you care about environmental issues from the standpoint of wanting to avoid the consequences of needless injustices, the USA is not one of the best places to live. If you want to just avoid drowning and live somewhere green move to fucking Oregon man I don't know what to tell you, I already rattled off a few places what else do you want from me
>plus when I mentioned social decay for the first time, I wasn't talking to you.
I want to take this statement back on the account of me being a retard I totally did mention it unprompted but the point I am making about the (frankly obvious) connection stands - I don't really see how you have a productive conversation about environmentalism without talking about the culture of the highest polluting country per capita in the world outside of oil powerhouse arab states and island nations. Even breathing the name of the city New Orleans should make this such an obvious starting point for any serious environmental conversation - assuming that the real purpose of the thread is to talk about american cities sinking rather than relocation
Anonymous :
8 days ago :
No.9498
>>9502
>>9498
If you knew a single thing about American positions on international environmental policy initiatives at any point after the Reagan administration you'd keep your hamburger in your mouth fatty. The only reason none of them have been useful is because they only let useless ones happen because your culture's central purpose is to polish the circumcised cocks of big industry
>>9495
>>9436 (OP)
>building over an ex golf course, the biggest green space they had.
You guys are secondhand murdering everybody in the world because your culture is fucking soulless and excessive and we are fucking stuck with you because you have us at nuclear fucking bomb point and somehow social decay (and where has more of it) has absolutely nothing to do with environmentalism and is a useless tangent
Scapegoating successful countries because yours refuses to fix their regulatory regime. Sad!
>>9497
>>9494
>plus when I mentioned social decay for the first time, I wasn't talking to you.
I want to take this statement back on the account of me being a retard I totally did mention it unprompted but the point I am making about the (frankly obvious) connection stands - I don't really see how you have a productive conversation about environmentalism without talking about the culture of the highest polluting country per capita in the world outside of oil powerhouse arab states and island nations. Even breathing the name of the city New Orleans should make this such an obvious starting point for any serious environmental conversation - assuming that the real purpose of the thread is to talk about american cities sinking rather than relocation
Americans are incapable of seeing outside of their fishbowl and it's obvious when they open their mouth to talk about any topic. It's like when the 8 year old wants to engage in the conversation at the dinner table so everyone has to pause, slow down their discussion, simplify their rhetoric and go back to first principles just to steer the ship on course again.
>>9495
>>9436 (OP)
>building over an ex golf course, the biggest green space they had.
You guys are secondhand murdering everybody in the world because your culture is fucking soulless and excessive and we are fucking stuck with you because you have us at nuclear fucking bomb point and somehow social decay (and where has more of it) has absolutely nothing to do with environmentalism and is a useless tangent
Like jesus christ "if you didn't have a nuke we'd all team up to get rid of you!" okay and you would still have a 0.3% growth rate so what now.
If you didn't have US news to gawk at all day you'd immediately devolve into your own bespoke culture wars and maybe get something done. Won't ever happen though. Worry about paying off those IMF loans and then we'll talk. Broke ass
>>9499
>>9497
Americans are incapable of seeing outside of their fishbowl and it's obvious when they open their mouth to talk about any topic. It's like when the 8 year old wants to engage in the conversation at the dinner table so everyone has to pause, slow down their discussion, simplify their rhetoric and go back to first principles just to steer the ship on course again.
IF YOU'RE SO SMART WHY ARE YOU POOR
Anonymous :
8 days ago :
No.9502
>>9504
>>9502
There are legislative quirks of the US system that make sweeping agreements like Kyoto/Paris hard to ratify. Sorry! Try purchasing an AC unit
>>9498
>>9495
Scapegoating successful countries because yours refuses to fix their regulatory regime. Sad!
If you knew a single thing about American positions on international environmental policy initiatives at any point after the Reagan administration you'd keep your hamburger in your mouth fatty. The only reason none of them have been useful is because they only let useless ones happen because your culture's central purpose is to polish the circumcised cocks of big industry
Anonymous :
8 days ago :
No.9503
>>9505
>>9503
I thought the "secondhand murdering" point was about like neocolonialismo or something
Why do you assume that I am from a country that has IMF loans and not from like France or Canada or Australia or one of the other (successful) countries that are not at soft nukepoint
>>9502
>>9498
If you knew a single thing about American positions on international environmental policy initiatives at any point after the Reagan administration you'd keep your hamburger in your mouth fatty. The only reason none of them have been useful is because they only let useless ones happen because your culture's central purpose is to polish the circumcised cocks of big industry
There are legislative quirks of the US system that make sweeping agreements like Kyoto/Paris hard to ratify. Sorry! Try purchasing an AC unit
>>9503
Why do you assume that I am from a country that has IMF loans and not from like France or Canada or Australia or one of the other (successful) countries that are not at soft nukepoint
I thought the "secondhand murdering" point was about like neocolonialismo or something
>9502
This isn't even an unpopular position outside of America, the most relevant political figures in your country that interface with an engaged youth on either side of the left or right spectrum are people that acknowledge the people of your country have been molded into cattle to prop up industry and sweep social, environmental, and financial externalities under the rug in the name of hyper individualism since the death of JFK
Anonymous :
8 days ago :
No.9508
>>9510
>>9508
How would we "stop you"? Are you contending that the US would invade France if it tried to build more nukes?
Euro political analysis puts the US in the position of the Demiurge sometimes
>>9506
Also France has nukes and France and Australia are in NATO
If we wanted to build more you guys would inevitably stop us even though you want us to grow our military and you know that - we know that - that's why we don't do it you fag
>9504
>Sorry!
Ah yeah sorry I didn't realize there was a very specific and retarded problem exclusive to your country that makes international cooperation hard that went over my head completely
Anonymous :
8 days ago :
No.9510
>>9511
>>9510
You know what, you're right, you have a good point here. Hypothetically, you'd sanction us in some way by stepping on our toes economically. I see where this train of thought goes and it means that the people of my country and elected government officials are at fault for succumbing to hypothetical soft power pressures. I don't really think American influence would be the only reason that any other country doesn't build nukes - that's a retarded thing for me to say. Realistically it's because we still believe in you guys and we don't want to build nukes. Cast the first stone.
>>9512>>9510
also you're not a fag
>>9520
>>9508
>>9506
If we wanted to build more you guys would inevitably stop us even though you want us to grow our military and you know that - we know that - that's why we don't do it you fag
How would we "stop you"? Are you contending that the US would invade France if it tried to build more nukes?
Euro political analysis puts the US in the position of the Demiurge sometimes
>>9510
>>9508
How would we "stop you"? Are you contending that the US would invade France if it tried to build more nukes?
Euro political analysis puts the US in the position of the Demiurge sometimes
You know what, you're right, you have a good point here. Hypothetically, you'd sanction us in some way by stepping on our toes economically. I see where this train of thought goes and it means that the people of my country and elected government officials are at fault for succumbing to hypothetical soft power pressures. I don't really think American influence would be the only reason that any other country doesn't build nukes - that's a retarded thing for me to say. Realistically it's because we still believe in you guys and we don't want to build nukes. Cast the first stone.
>>9497
>>9494
>plus when I mentioned social decay for the first time, I wasn't talking to you.
I want to take this statement back on the account of me being a retard I totally did mention it unprompted but the point I am making about the (frankly obvious) connection stands - I don't really see how you have a productive conversation about environmentalism without talking about the culture of the highest polluting country per capita in the world outside of oil powerhouse arab states and island nations. Even breathing the name of the city New Orleans should make this such an obvious starting point for any serious environmental conversation - assuming that the real purpose of the thread is to talk about american cities sinking rather than relocation
>I want to take this statement back on the account of me being a retard I totally did mention it unprompted
the thing is I was directing that comment mostly towards the people who were saying climate change isn't a big issue and started talking about stupid shit like Brazil. yes I agree these issues come from selfish and anti-social cultural ideas but I think there's an old guard that upholds this that gen z doesn't really give into as much (probably as a result of oversocialization via social media).
I think these super vulnerable cities like miami (e.g. Jakarta, Bangkok) are in a unique position underneath social decay from this post i was stream of consciousness writing about a question I'm constantly thinking about, maybe wanting to hear from other people who live in cities like mine? it's annoying people getting spergy under this post because I don't have exact questions I want to extract from their mind computer I'm just a /lit/ poster usually when I post it's out of creative expression
I will say I'm not the most knowledgable about Marxism and it went over my head that maybe America The Imperial Core will turn every city into Miami if I keep giving it my wages. then again, you guys said environmental doomerism is pointless but I can't conceive of an end to capitalism so it's pointless to try to predict the future of America
*so it's pointless to try to predict the future of America in general
>>9500
>>9495
Like jesus christ "if you didn't have a nuke we'd all team up to get rid of you!" okay and you would still have a 0.3% growth rate so what now.
If you didn't have US news to gawk at all day you'd immediately devolve into your own bespoke culture wars and maybe get something done. Won't ever happen though. Worry about paying off those IMF loans and then we'll talk. Broke ass
>>9495>>9436 (OP)
>building over an ex golf course, the biggest green space they had.
You guys are secondhand murdering everybody in the world because your culture is fucking soulless and excessive and we are fucking stuck with you because you have us at nuclear fucking bomb point and somehow social decay (and where has more of it) has absolutely nothing to do with environmentalism and is a useless tangent
>>9510>>9508
How would we "stop you"? Are you contending that the US would invade France if it tried to build more nukes?
Euro political analysis puts the US in the position of the Demiurge sometimes
>>9511>>9510
You know what, you're right, you have a good point here. Hypothetically, you'd sanction us in some way by stepping on our toes economically. I see where this train of thought goes and it means that the people of my country and elected government officials are at fault for succumbing to hypothetical soft power pressures. I don't really think American influence would be the only reason that any other country doesn't build nukes - that's a retarded thing for me to say. Realistically it's because we still believe in you guys and we don't want to build nukes. Cast the first stone.
>we
>you
Do you listen to yourself? lol
None of this has anything to do with either of you. This is just infotainment, you play countries and feel like you have contributed to your communities. There are subreddits for that.
>>9513
>>9497
>I want to take this statement back on the account of me being a retard I totally did mention it unprompted
the thing is I was directing that comment mostly towards the people who were saying climate change isn't a big issue and started talking about stupid shit like Brazil. yes I agree these issues come from selfish and anti-social cultural ideas but I think there's an old guard that upholds this that gen z doesn't really give into as much (probably as a result of oversocialization via social media).
I think these super vulnerable cities like miami (e.g. Jakarta, Bangkok) are in a unique position underneath social decay from this post i was stream of consciousness writing about a question I'm constantly thinking about, maybe wanting to hear from other people who live in cities like mine? it's annoying people getting spergy under this post because I don't have exact questions I want to extract from their mind computer I'm just a /lit/ poster usually when I post it's out of creative expression
I will say I'm not the most knowledgable about Marxism and it went over my head that maybe America The Imperial Core will turn every city into Miami if I keep giving it my wages. then again, you guys said environmental doomerism is pointless but I can't conceive of an end to capitalism so it's pointless to try to predict the future of America
Brazil isn't stupid
On the topic of Florida, environmental catastrophe and economic decline, this article about the implosion of the Florida orange industry is making the rounds as of late: archive (.is) /ZnfSC
petrachan miami meetup?