Is direct action ever worthwhile?
Anonymous :
15 days ago :
No.9339
>>9358
>>9339
I hear this often, but I'm not sure what it means.
>>9341
So, what happened to plans?
>>9343
Your use of tempo is interesting, can you say more?
>people should just watch open-channel communications and they'll be able to pick up on enough context clues.
As in, will someone rid me of this troublesome priest?
Actually, I've been thinking of reading the OG propaganda of the deed anarchists because they seem to be unintentionally describing a sort of political mindset which the West, especially Americans, have stumbled onto unconsciously.
The elites are terrified of not one thing more than direct action.
Anonymous :
15 days ago :
No.9341
>>9358
>>9339
I hear this often, but I'm not sure what it means.
>>9341
So, what happened to plans?
>>9343
Your use of tempo is interesting, can you say more?
>people should just watch open-channel communications and they'll be able to pick up on enough context clues.
As in, will someone rid me of this troublesome priest?
Actually, I've been thinking of reading the OG propaganda of the deed anarchists because they seem to be unintentionally describing a sort of political mindset which the West, especially Americans, have stumbled onto unconsciously.
Direct action only makes sense when there's a plan. Contemporary grassroots movements are all decentralized and direct-democratic, and so mass planning is made impossible. Most "direct action" you see today, from gaza encampments to Charlie Kirk, is meaningless flailing at best and random terrorism at worst.
The political priorities of the direct actioneer are easily swayed by their instagram reels algorithm, and will swap their preferred target from an ICE detention center to a data center without even realizing that a shift has occurred. They will make no demands, pursue no scaffolding. They will not conduct fact-finding operations or public relations. They will throw their life away for no impact on the world around them.
Anonymous :
15 days ago :
No.9343
>>9358
>>9339
I hear this often, but I'm not sure what it means.
>>9341
So, what happened to plans?
>>9343
Your use of tempo is interesting, can you say more?
>people should just watch open-channel communications and they'll be able to pick up on enough context clues.
As in, will someone rid me of this troublesome priest?
Actually, I've been thinking of reading the OG propaganda of the deed anarchists because they seem to be unintentionally describing a sort of political mindset which the West, especially Americans, have stumbled onto unconsciously.
>>9390>>9343
Stop me if I'm misinterpreting, but it seems like you're gesturing towards "the big one", a mass revolutionary action that will topple the tyranny of our current age.
Most people think of revolutions as a kind of recurring historical weather, like recessions, but this is not necessarily the case. If you look at historically successful popular revolutions, the regimes were in uniquely vulnerable positions. Let's take the French and Russian revolutions as examples. France in 1789 was bankrupt from decades of war, food prices skyrocketing, and ruled by a retarded, vacillating monarch who'd just summoned the Estates-General. Seriously, if you read about the French revolution up until the storming of the Tuileries, Louis 16 makes an unbroken string of unforced blunders for 4 years straight. Russia was 3 years into a war with millions dead on the front line, mass mutinies, an a missing monarch. Even then, there was a 5 year civil war.
If there's any lesson to learn from the Arab Spring, it's that revolutions only work if the regime allows it. Whether from moral fatigue or entryism.
Adventurism bad. The celestial bureaucracy is too powerful for individual or even a small cadre.
Tempo good. If one-off actions contribute to an intensifying tempo, then people will notice that the heavenly bureaucracy can't maintain the stability and regularity that it promises. The Summer of George was so psychically damaging because it proved that the people on top can't protect you from partial stack-collapse. That's enough to take away the mandate of heaven.
A lot of lefties think that this means you have to organize, which is not necessarily true. Granted, anything that's more complicated than a trip to the beach means that you need more than a few buddies, you need to actually train, actually practice, and actually build multiple pathways to success using redundant, modular resources and fault-containment. All usual operational best-practices apply. Nevertheless you can have a distributed network with no communication that is coordinated by the environment.
Realistically, people should just watch open-channel communications and they'll be able to pick up on enough context clues.
Anonymous :
15 days ago :
No.9358
>>9368
>>9358
In all honesty it's just my vibe-based reading of how people observe change in the west today. I think that people on the whole are willing to make way for the next big thing, but they have to be convinced that it's the next big thing. People have to get through their days, and to achieve that I think that they do a lot of interpretation based on whether something is still gaining strength. If a new issue is still accelerating its pace, or intensifying its impact, then people basically pay attention. If an issue is holding steady or flagging, then people are safe to wait it out or write it off.
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jOrhFYosCQ>
"Tempo" is a key term in the US military's discussion strategy and operations. It's derived from the work of John Boyd. The shorthand for this is an "OODA loop." Boyd began thinking about this because of his experience teaching dogfighting in jets. Essentially, when one fighter could move at least one iota faster than another, the faster one could dictate terms and conditions to the slower one. The benefit should be obvious: the cowboy who can draw faster gets to shoot when the other cowboy is still reaching for his holster; the team that changes the game can run up the score while the other teams are still playing by the old rules. Boyd spent a lot of time analyzing this, and ultimately he describes human action in four general stages (observation, orientation, decision, action) that altogether loop back to the beginning. A person or group with superior tempo is able to act when the enemy is deciding, is able to decide when the enemy is observing, etc. One thing to note about "tempo" is that it's not just tactically relevant (as my examples would imply). An operation that can sustain a higher tempo tactics has to have higher-tempo operations, and higher-tempo operations also rely on higher-tempo strategic thinking. So if you want to have a revolt against the heavenly bureaucracy, then your supply lines have to be nimbler than the celestial bureaucracy's response, and your strategic re-evaluation has to be sprightlier than the heavenly emperor's strategists.
There are ten million defense intelligence guys who snort powder and then rave about this stuff, or how it applies to space or applying Clausewitz to infosec or whatever.
>>9339
The elites are terrified of not one thing more than direct action.
I hear this often, but I'm not sure what it means.
>>9341Direct action only makes sense when there's a plan. Contemporary grassroots movements are all decentralized and direct-democratic, and so mass planning is made impossible. Most "direct action" you see today, from gaza encampments to Charlie Kirk, is meaningless flailing at best and random terrorism at worst.
The political priorities of the direct actioneer are easily swayed by their instagram reels algorithm, and will swap their preferred target from an ICE detention center to a data center without even realizing that a shift has occurred. They will make no demands, pursue no scaffolding. They will not conduct fact-finding operations or public relations. They will throw their life away for no impact on the world around them.
So, what happened to plans?
>>9343Adventurism bad. The celestial bureaucracy is too powerful for individual or even a small cadre.
Tempo good. If one-off actions contribute to an intensifying tempo, then people will notice that the heavenly bureaucracy can't maintain the stability and regularity that it promises. The Summer of George was so psychically damaging because it proved that the people on top can't protect you from partial stack-collapse. That's enough to take away the mandate of heaven.
A lot of lefties think that this means you have to organize, which is not necessarily true. Granted, anything that's more complicated than a trip to the beach means that you need more than a few buddies, you need to actually train, actually practice, and actually build multiple pathways to success using redundant, modular resources and fault-containment. All usual operational best-practices apply. Nevertheless you can have a distributed network with no communication that is coordinated by the environment.
Realistically, people should just watch open-channel communications and they'll be able to pick up on enough context clues.
Your use of tempo is interesting, can you say more?
>people should just watch open-channel communications and they'll be able to pick up on enough context clues.
As in, will someone rid me of this troublesome priest?
Actually, I've been thinking of reading the OG propaganda of the deed anarchists because they seem to be unintentionally describing a sort of political mindset which the West, especially Americans, have stumbled onto unconsciously.
Anonymous :
14 days ago :
No.9368
>>9376
>>9368
>I think that people on the whole are willing to make way for the next big thing, but they have to be convinced that it's the next big thing.
It's all a matter of loop-based persuasion?
I actually do like this concept of tempo. It fills an analytical niche. But it's very based in hindsight.
>>9358
>>9339
I hear this often, but I'm not sure what it means.
>>9341
So, what happened to plans?
>>9343
Your use of tempo is interesting, can you say more?
>people should just watch open-channel communications and they'll be able to pick up on enough context clues.
As in, will someone rid me of this troublesome priest?
Actually, I've been thinking of reading the OG propaganda of the deed anarchists because they seem to be unintentionally describing a sort of political mindset which the West, especially Americans, have stumbled onto unconsciously.
In all honesty it's just my vibe-based reading of how people observe change in the west today. I think that people on the whole are willing to make way for the next big thing, but they have to be convinced that it's the next big thing. People have to get through their days, and to achieve that I think that they do a lot of interpretation based on whether something is still gaining strength. If a new issue is still accelerating its pace, or intensifying its impact, then people basically pay attention. If an issue is holding steady or flagging, then people are safe to wait it out or write it off.
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jOrhFYosCQ>
"Tempo" is a key term in the US military's discussion strategy and operations. It's derived from the work of John Boyd. The shorthand for this is an "OODA loop." Boyd began thinking about this because of his experience teaching dogfighting in jets. Essentially, when one fighter could move at least one iota faster than another, the faster one could dictate terms and conditions to the slower one. The benefit should be obvious: the cowboy who can draw faster gets to shoot when the other cowboy is still reaching for his holster; the team that changes the game can run up the score while the other teams are still playing by the old rules. Boyd spent a lot of time analyzing this, and ultimately he describes human action in four general stages (observation, orientation, decision, action) that altogether loop back to the beginning. A person or group with superior tempo is able to act when the enemy is deciding, is able to decide when the enemy is observing, etc. One thing to note about "tempo" is that it's not just tactically relevant (as my examples would imply). An operation that can sustain a higher tempo tactics has to have higher-tempo operations, and higher-tempo operations also rely on higher-tempo strategic thinking. So if you want to have a revolt against the heavenly bureaucracy, then your supply lines have to be nimbler than the celestial bureaucracy's response, and your strategic re-evaluation has to be sprightlier than the heavenly emperor's strategists.
There are ten million defense intelligence guys who snort powder and then rave about this stuff, or how it applies to space or applying Clausewitz to infosec or whatever.
>>9368
>>9358
In all honesty it's just my vibe-based reading of how people observe change in the west today. I think that people on the whole are willing to make way for the next big thing, but they have to be convinced that it's the next big thing. People have to get through their days, and to achieve that I think that they do a lot of interpretation based on whether something is still gaining strength. If a new issue is still accelerating its pace, or intensifying its impact, then people basically pay attention. If an issue is holding steady or flagging, then people are safe to wait it out or write it off.
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jOrhFYosCQ>
"Tempo" is a key term in the US military's discussion strategy and operations. It's derived from the work of John Boyd. The shorthand for this is an "OODA loop." Boyd began thinking about this because of his experience teaching dogfighting in jets. Essentially, when one fighter could move at least one iota faster than another, the faster one could dictate terms and conditions to the slower one. The benefit should be obvious: the cowboy who can draw faster gets to shoot when the other cowboy is still reaching for his holster; the team that changes the game can run up the score while the other teams are still playing by the old rules. Boyd spent a lot of time analyzing this, and ultimately he describes human action in four general stages (observation, orientation, decision, action) that altogether loop back to the beginning. A person or group with superior tempo is able to act when the enemy is deciding, is able to decide when the enemy is observing, etc. One thing to note about "tempo" is that it's not just tactically relevant (as my examples would imply). An operation that can sustain a higher tempo tactics has to have higher-tempo operations, and higher-tempo operations also rely on higher-tempo strategic thinking. So if you want to have a revolt against the heavenly bureaucracy, then your supply lines have to be nimbler than the celestial bureaucracy's response, and your strategic re-evaluation has to be sprightlier than the heavenly emperor's strategists.
There are ten million defense intelligence guys who snort powder and then rave about this stuff, or how it applies to space or applying Clausewitz to infosec or whatever.
>I think that people on the whole are willing to make way for the next big thing, but they have to be convinced that it's the next big thing.
It's all a matter of loop-based persuasion?
I actually do like this concept of tempo. It fills an analytical niche. But it's very based in hindsight.
Anonymous :
13 days ago :
No.9390
>>9393
>>9390
I think humanity is permanently past the revolution "phase" in the same way we're permanently past catastrophic multi-civilizational collapses like the Bronze Age Collapse (inb4 reddit-tier "but what if an asteroid hits us???"). It's a bygone paradigm that we need to get over in our current mental model. It's like people who keep bringing up Marxist understandings of class when in the west there is no group of people who work in manufacturing and agricultural labor is a much smaller percent of the population.
>>9413>>9390
I will admit that I don't really see the purpose for direct action independent of a larger escalation pathway, and in most cases this leads to discussions of "the big one." If an independent direct action doesn't parlay into a larger strategy, then it just seems obvious to me that it simply evaporates. If Green Hat Video Game guy is a one-off, then his action is basically null. It's almost hard to recall all the stochastic headline-grabbing events that have happened in the past 10 years that have simply lost all consequence -- EG remember the Nashville Christmas thingie of 2020?
If we're not prepping for "the big one," I don't think that's the be-all and end-all. To my weird brain, I think the alternative to "the big one" is something like anarcho-mutualist gradualism in the gradual direction of a kind of neo-medievalism. If that doesn't make any sense, I would say that my ideal would be that various institutions (realistically) and later organizations will start making one-off side-arrangements to facilitate things like finance, market access, etc. independently of the Leviathan. Long-term, I also have confidence that people can make institutions and organizations more inclusive, more responsive, and have more and more participatory deliberative structures. And as these layers of one-off arrangements increase, and as institutions become more and more participatory, we move away from the nightmare of Leviathans fighting an apocalypse war and more towards something that resembles medieval Europe, in the sense of a knotty lattice-work of inter-dependent dispensations and responsibilities.
>>9343
Adventurism bad. The celestial bureaucracy is too powerful for individual or even a small cadre.
Tempo good. If one-off actions contribute to an intensifying tempo, then people will notice that the heavenly bureaucracy can't maintain the stability and regularity that it promises. The Summer of George was so psychically damaging because it proved that the people on top can't protect you from partial stack-collapse. That's enough to take away the mandate of heaven.
A lot of lefties think that this means you have to organize, which is not necessarily true. Granted, anything that's more complicated than a trip to the beach means that you need more than a few buddies, you need to actually train, actually practice, and actually build multiple pathways to success using redundant, modular resources and fault-containment. All usual operational best-practices apply. Nevertheless you can have a distributed network with no communication that is coordinated by the environment.
Realistically, people should just watch open-channel communications and they'll be able to pick up on enough context clues.
Stop me if I'm misinterpreting, but it seems like you're gesturing towards "the big one", a mass revolutionary action that will topple the tyranny of our current age.
Most people think of revolutions as a kind of recurring historical weather, like recessions, but this is not necessarily the case. If you look at historically successful popular revolutions, the regimes were in uniquely vulnerable positions. Let's take the French and Russian revolutions as examples. France in 1789 was bankrupt from decades of war, food prices skyrocketing, and ruled by a retarded, vacillating monarch who'd just summoned the Estates-General. Seriously, if you read about the French revolution up until the storming of the Tuileries, Louis 16 makes an unbroken string of unforced blunders for 4 years straight. Russia was 3 years into a war with millions dead on the front line, mass mutinies, an a missing monarch. Even then, there was a 5 year civil war.
If there's any lesson to learn from the Arab Spring, it's that revolutions only work if the regime allows it. Whether from moral fatigue or entryism.
>>9390
>>9343
Stop me if I'm misinterpreting, but it seems like you're gesturing towards "the big one", a mass revolutionary action that will topple the tyranny of our current age.
Most people think of revolutions as a kind of recurring historical weather, like recessions, but this is not necessarily the case. If you look at historically successful popular revolutions, the regimes were in uniquely vulnerable positions. Let's take the French and Russian revolutions as examples. France in 1789 was bankrupt from decades of war, food prices skyrocketing, and ruled by a retarded, vacillating monarch who'd just summoned the Estates-General. Seriously, if you read about the French revolution up until the storming of the Tuileries, Louis 16 makes an unbroken string of unforced blunders for 4 years straight. Russia was 3 years into a war with millions dead on the front line, mass mutinies, an a missing monarch. Even then, there was a 5 year civil war.
If there's any lesson to learn from the Arab Spring, it's that revolutions only work if the regime allows it. Whether from moral fatigue or entryism.
I think humanity is permanently past the revolution "phase" in the same way we're permanently past catastrophic multi-civilizational collapses like the Bronze Age Collapse (inb4 reddit-tier "but what if an asteroid hits us???"). It's a bygone paradigm that we need to get over in our current mental model. It's like people who keep bringing up Marxist understandings of class when in the west there is no group of people who work in manufacturing and agricultural labor is a much smaller percent of the population.
>>9393
>>9390
I think humanity is permanently past the revolution "phase" in the same way we're permanently past catastrophic multi-civilizational collapses like the Bronze Age Collapse (inb4 reddit-tier "but what if an asteroid hits us???"). It's a bygone paradigm that we need to get over in our current mental model. It's like people who keep bringing up Marxist understandings of class when in the west there is no group of people who work in manufacturing and agricultural labor is a much smaller percent of the population.
A Marxist understanding of class is still useful.
>>9390
>>9343
Stop me if I'm misinterpreting, but it seems like you're gesturing towards "the big one", a mass revolutionary action that will topple the tyranny of our current age.
Most people think of revolutions as a kind of recurring historical weather, like recessions, but this is not necessarily the case. If you look at historically successful popular revolutions, the regimes were in uniquely vulnerable positions. Let's take the French and Russian revolutions as examples. France in 1789 was bankrupt from decades of war, food prices skyrocketing, and ruled by a retarded, vacillating monarch who'd just summoned the Estates-General. Seriously, if you read about the French revolution up until the storming of the Tuileries, Louis 16 makes an unbroken string of unforced blunders for 4 years straight. Russia was 3 years into a war with millions dead on the front line, mass mutinies, an a missing monarch. Even then, there was a 5 year civil war.
If there's any lesson to learn from the Arab Spring, it's that revolutions only work if the regime allows it. Whether from moral fatigue or entryism.
I will admit that I don't really see the purpose for direct action independent of a larger escalation pathway, and in most cases this leads to discussions of "the big one." If an independent direct action doesn't parlay into a larger strategy, then it just seems obvious to me that it simply evaporates. If Green Hat Video Game guy is a one-off, then his action is basically null. It's almost hard to recall all the stochastic headline-grabbing events that have happened in the past 10 years that have simply lost all consequence -- EG remember the Nashville Christmas thingie of 2020?
If we're not prepping for "the big one," I don't think that's the be-all and end-all. To my weird brain, I think the alternative to "the big one" is something like anarcho-mutualist gradualism in the gradual direction of a kind of neo-medievalism. If that doesn't make any sense, I would say that my ideal would be that various institutions (realistically) and later organizations will start making one-off side-arrangements to facilitate things like finance, market access, etc. independently of the Leviathan. Long-term, I also have confidence that people can make institutions and organizations more inclusive, more responsive, and have more and more participatory deliberative structures. And as these layers of one-off arrangements increase, and as institutions become more and more participatory, we move away from the nightmare of Leviathans fighting an apocalypse war and more towards something that resembles medieval Europe, in the sense of a knotty lattice-work of inter-dependent dispensations and responsibilities.