After years of encouragement, I sat down and watched Girls for the first time this week. When it premiered in 2012, I was 13 years old. What struck me was how this show was clearly upstream of what 13-year-old me thought was cool. All the millennial accoutrements -- the clothes, the hats, the myspace-famous bands and one-hits, the anglophilia, the safe-nerdy mannerisms and interests. A third of the songs played in the show were on my spotify in middle school. Many of the things I think of as "middle schooler-core" was really just what was cool at the time, delivered to me via cultural osmosis. But what really catches my eye is what's different. I wasn't on twitter during the peak pre/proto-woke blog era -- I was on reddit slumming it up with 30 year old libertarians. I read a lot of xkcd, played a lot of minecraft. It's hard to know what of these are middle-schooler-core or just another side of the same millennial coin. By late high school I had figured out what was cool and had adjusted my personality to match, and Instagram and Snapchat were starting to monopolize me and my friends' internet use. But by then the moment had passed -- the 'scene' displayed in Girls rapidly gutted itself in the early Trump era, swapping out what was left of its bohemian free-spiritedness for moral monomania. A lot of thoughts about this. The 2010s didn't have to turn out the way they did.
HBO GIRLS :
Anonymous :
19 days ago :
No.9268
>>9280
>>9268 (OP)
It's funny that people like >>8885 are willing to say that TransMed is a spent rocket stage on the way to TuCute orthodoxy, but people don't recognize that Lena Dunham was always going to be exhausted and discarded by woke. All of the aesthetic virtues of early millennial culture (candor, vulnerability, authentic eccentricity, probably some other stuff) were begging to be abused by a sufficiently motivated grifter class. The people who make lil indie albums just to prove the Dubya-era chuds aren't masters of the universe -- they're not going to "punch down" or take an antagonistic stance towards anyone to the left. It's the paradox of tolerance, basically, embodied in a generation of cultural mayflies.
Anonymous :
19 days ago :
No.9269
>>9270
>>9269
That's a good question. I'm not really sure. I think I like it more as an anthropological artifact than as a dramedy.
I think it does a good job making sex interesting on-screen. Both in lurid detail and in dramatic interest. Multiple scenes where the core tension is that a guy can't stay hard. Realism.
Did you like the show though?
>>9269
Did you like the show though?
That's a good question. I'm not really sure. I think I like it more as an anthropological artifact than as a dramedy.
I think it does a good job making sex interesting on-screen. Both in lurid detail and in dramatic interest. Multiple scenes where the core tension is that a guy can't stay hard. Realism.
Anonymous :
18 days ago :
No.9274
>>9275
>>9274
Everything in our culture is downstream of Trump's 2016 run and presidency. The leftlib hyperreaction that absorbed every aspect of our institutions and public life is entirely contingent on 2016.
>The 2010s didn't have to turn out the way they did.
ok, other than the fact that one can say that anything could have happened other than what happened, what makes you say this? in some ways, i think our situation has always been inevitable.
>>9274
>The 2010s didn't have to turn out the way they did.
ok, other than the fact that one can say that anything could have happened other than what happened, what makes you say this? in some ways, i think our situation has always been inevitable.
Everything in our culture is downstream of Trump's 2016 run and presidency. The leftlib hyperreaction that absorbed every aspect of our institutions and public life is entirely contingent on 2016.
Ultimately the Trump I -> Traumatic Dem Presidency -> Trump II sequence, has led our culture to The Pitt. This is what your normie mom watches today.
And this stuff is international too. A lot of ink spilled on Brexit, but without the Trump presidency would there have been a Tory revolt on immigration? I doubt it. Would the EU be passing sweeping surveillance laws to combat 'disinformation'? No shot.
Anonymous :
18 days ago :
No.9280
>>9281
>>9280
tl;dr
>I made performance art about having my lunch money stolen and then someone stole my lunch money
>>9283>>9280
Best exemplified by her contemporary, Sam Hyde, who was at one point accepted and then suddenly jettisoned during a period of high "alt-right" visibility (also downstream of Trump I btw)
>>9284>>9280
But yeah wrt Lena Dunham, it's honestly really sad how she got discarded by the next wave. It would be one thing if the experience (de)rasdicalized her, but it's clear that she still wants in, even today. She'd disavow every episode of Girls if it put her back in good graces
>>9381>>9280
Woke has always hated Lena. If anything, she's had more cancellation attempts than anyone else in NY/LA entertainment who wasn't a rapist.
>>9268 (OP)
It's funny that people like >>8885 are willing to say that TransMed is a spent rocket stage on the way to TuCute orthodoxy, but people don't recognize that Lena Dunham was always going to be exhausted and discarded by woke. All of the aesthetic virtues of early millennial culture (candor, vulnerability, authentic eccentricity, probably some other stuff) were begging to be abused by a sufficiently motivated grifter class. The people who make lil indie albums just to prove the Dubya-era chuds aren't masters of the universe -- they're not going to "punch down" or take an antagonistic stance towards anyone to the left. It's the paradox of tolerance, basically, embodied in a generation of cultural mayflies.
>>9280
>>9268 (OP)
It's funny that people like >>8885 are willing to say that TransMed is a spent rocket stage on the way to TuCute orthodoxy, but people don't recognize that Lena Dunham was always going to be exhausted and discarded by woke. All of the aesthetic virtues of early millennial culture (candor, vulnerability, authentic eccentricity, probably some other stuff) were begging to be abused by a sufficiently motivated grifter class. The people who make lil indie albums just to prove the Dubya-era chuds aren't masters of the universe -- they're not going to "punch down" or take an antagonistic stance towards anyone to the left. It's the paradox of tolerance, basically, embodied in a generation of cultural mayflies.
tl;dr
>I made performance art about having my lunch money stolen and then someone stole my lunch money
>>9280
>>9268 (OP)
It's funny that people like >>8885 are willing to say that TransMed is a spent rocket stage on the way to TuCute orthodoxy, but people don't recognize that Lena Dunham was always going to be exhausted and discarded by woke. All of the aesthetic virtues of early millennial culture (candor, vulnerability, authentic eccentricity, probably some other stuff) were begging to be abused by a sufficiently motivated grifter class. The people who make lil indie albums just to prove the Dubya-era chuds aren't masters of the universe -- they're not going to "punch down" or take an antagonistic stance towards anyone to the left. It's the paradox of tolerance, basically, embodied in a generation of cultural mayflies.
Best exemplified by her contemporary, Sam Hyde, who was at one point accepted and then suddenly jettisoned during a period of high "alt-right" visibility (also downstream of Trump I btw)
>>9280
>>9268 (OP)
It's funny that people like >>8885 are willing to say that TransMed is a spent rocket stage on the way to TuCute orthodoxy, but people don't recognize that Lena Dunham was always going to be exhausted and discarded by woke. All of the aesthetic virtues of early millennial culture (candor, vulnerability, authentic eccentricity, probably some other stuff) were begging to be abused by a sufficiently motivated grifter class. The people who make lil indie albums just to prove the Dubya-era chuds aren't masters of the universe -- they're not going to "punch down" or take an antagonistic stance towards anyone to the left. It's the paradox of tolerance, basically, embodied in a generation of cultural mayflies.
But yeah wrt Lena Dunham, it's honestly really sad how she got discarded by the next wave. It would be one thing if the experience (de)rasdicalized her, but it's clear that she still wants in, even today. She'd disavow every episode of Girls if it put her back in good graces
Anonymous :
14 days ago :
No.9381
>>9385
>>9381
Really interesting how "fuck Lena Dunham" became one of these in-the-know cool guy shibboleths. It always gave the vibe of guys who are really excited to give menswear advice or talk about CIA coups. If that makes sense.
>>9280
>>9268 (OP)
It's funny that people like >>8885 are willing to say that TransMed is a spent rocket stage on the way to TuCute orthodoxy, but people don't recognize that Lena Dunham was always going to be exhausted and discarded by woke. All of the aesthetic virtues of early millennial culture (candor, vulnerability, authentic eccentricity, probably some other stuff) were begging to be abused by a sufficiently motivated grifter class. The people who make lil indie albums just to prove the Dubya-era chuds aren't masters of the universe -- they're not going to "punch down" or take an antagonistic stance towards anyone to the left. It's the paradox of tolerance, basically, embodied in a generation of cultural mayflies.
Woke has always hated Lena. If anything, she's had more cancellation attempts than anyone else in NY/LA entertainment who wasn't a rapist.
Anonymous :
14 days ago :
No.9385
>>9439
>>9385
It's because she's fat. It's always been because she's fat. She was skinny and now she's fat. That is why. Same goes for Amy Schumer
There is nothing that will make the American people break the illusion of celebrity more quickly than going from hot and fantasizeably fuckable to fat and statistically average. It's ironic given that a cohort of the population would easily be able to do away with bipedalism and start traveling by flopping over and rolling around on the horizontal axis.
>>9381
>>9280
Woke has always hated Lena. If anything, she's had more cancellation attempts than anyone else in NY/LA entertainment who wasn't a rapist.
Really interesting how "fuck Lena Dunham" became one of these in-the-know cool guy shibboleths. It always gave the vibe of guys who are really excited to give menswear advice or talk about CIA coups. If that makes sense.
>>9386
I still have no idea why they hate her other than it being usual male angst against women who upset them for whatever reason. I have not watched any of her media. Just one of those things I've seen/read about online for years on end.
It's even weirder once you watch Girls and it's just a well-written comedy show. I guess you just had to be on twitter in 2014.
>>9388I often wonder what prevents men around the world from turning every society into Afghanistan where the women just shut up and go away forever as much as possible. Is it really the easy sex tradeoff?
People love their daughters and are scared of their mothers. Afghanistan is the historical exception.
>>9385
>>9381
Really interesting how "fuck Lena Dunham" became one of these in-the-know cool guy shibboleths. It always gave the vibe of guys who are really excited to give menswear advice or talk about CIA coups. If that makes sense.
It's because she's fat. It's always been because she's fat. She was skinny and now she's fat. That is why. Same goes for Amy Schumer
There is nothing that will make the American people break the illusion of celebrity more quickly than going from hot and fantasizeably fuckable to fat and statistically average. It's ironic given that a cohort of the population would easily be able to do away with bipedalism and start traveling by flopping over and rolling around on the horizontal axis.
If SATC is for the late nineties-early aughts and
Girls is for the tens, what is on tv nowadays about women in NYC?