The Democrats are already tripling down on thr trans movement, based on official statements from the party, the Mandani administration in NYC, and announcements from aligned NGO's and unions. There will be no rebuilding of our strip-mined economy. There will only endless trans shit that further alienates people who could vote for them.
I am not excited for the chuds to lose. :
Anonymous :
32 days ago :
No.9011
>>9115
>>9011 (OP)
Granted, the shadow struggle in Democratic politics over the last 2 years has shown that the trannies are just as adept as ever at keeping themselves firmly wedged into elite social liberalism. The 2nd waver feminists simply don't have the numbers to displace them in elite conversations. So it looks like 19/20 of the Dems who participate in the next stage of campaigning will have staffs that are unthinkingly pro-trans, and the 1/20 that is trans-critical will be the proverbial blind pig who occasionally finds an acorn.
Nevertheless, I'm willing to venture that we have passed "peak trans." The metabolism of the trans conversation is simply too fast. Google Trends shows it ramped up in 2015 (after gay marriage was legalized in the USA and the LGBT movement needed something new to do) and hit almost all of its peaks in 2016-17. That's pretty speedy growth for a culture war issue. The only spike in web traffic that has hit the same level since then was the Bud Light scandal, and that was 3 years ago.
If we assume that there was a backlog of people with badly managed mental disorders, most of them claimed their genderspecial self-identity in or near 2020, got their rainbow party, and are now thoroughly back in the throes of their mental disorders. We've probably run through the backlog of high-test guys who are at-risk to develop AGP when the missus hits menopause and they're sent to the goon cave. The rate of uptake must have slowed by now.
A related argument is that I think the shock factor of trans shit is wearing thin, and I think transitioning is getting normalized by default. Despite the hysterics, there has not been any widespread right-wing push to detransition people. The driver's license stuff is probably the most that right-wing politicians will ever be able to do to trannies, and beyond that I think that trans people will simply hold their ground. If they're not going to camps, and they're not going to simply fade away, then I think that people are going to get used to seeing the occasional tranny or genderspecial. The "why u mad tho" crowd is gaining ground on this issue.
As tranny stuff loses its shock value, it will also be less useful as a signal for liberal politicians. In 10 years, tranny politics may be much like HIV / PReP politics: something niche followed intensely by queers and treated with apathy from the general public. And liberal politics will chase other ways to signal their views to the base.
>>9210>>9011 (OP)
Woke II is going to suck but honestly the right had it coming. They squandered their golden opportunity on the most pointless things. Imagine if Trump had shut up and poured all the money/resources on hand into rebuilding American manufacturing.
>>9209
FTMs living in the West are the dumbest people. You were living life on easy mode and you gave it up. I don’t get it.
What's even left to triple down on? 95% of millennials who could remotely have trooned out already have, with the final round of them coming out over the pandemic. after that the production line is pretty smooth, as zoomers on forward emerge on to social media fully transed. they're past the "door to door shock" period.
The gas they've got left could (most likely will) last generations; the senior activists still have not yet exhausted the strategic reserves of nuremburg-christianity fuel they and zionism were granted by the Postwar International Order. Israel has of course dumped their allotment on the ground and ignited it post-10/7, but the transactivists have been coming in solidly under budget even as the iran war rages. Their post-second-nakba "trans genocide" posts are all languishing in the drafts, patiently awaiting a "lasting" "ceasefire" and the breaking of ground on the first trump resorts in the freshly-repaved gaza strip.
That many BritTERFs happen to be zionists themselves hasn't even made the transactivists more violent towards them at a time when the planet really could do with less of them breathing it's air. Maybe there's an IRGC-style Plan to Trust re: JK Rowling and her never having met a state department scheme she didn't want to skip out on. There better be.
The core "progressives" (labor zionists) like Big Boy Pritzker here are actually floating the very insultingly obvious lie that the trump administration will be prosecuted. even obama respected his voters enough not to so much as hint that the Bush administration would be placed on the correct side of a firing squad - and everything he did was a stab in the back.
Oh thank god, it's guy who only talks about one subject, here to enlighten us again about That Subject, having nothing to do with the OP
we have a trans thread. we have an israel thread. so it makes sense that we have a trans-israel thread (not to be confused with transjordan, har har)
We can also make this a ukraine war thread because that's another Democrat Product
Anonymous :
29 days ago :
No.9056
>>9057
>>9056
In short, Trump had the last chance at preventing the coming Crisis of Democracy, and he blew it on foreign adventurism. He will be remembered like Carter, George W, as a generationally incompetent bag-fumbler.
But all of this will be overshadowed by AGI and maybe we'll just forget it.
"trans shit" is flattening the real phenomenon.
Progressives today believe in an "omnicause" best exemplified by the template "x-rights are y-rights", where x and y can describe any group. This bundling is necessary in a landscape where attention spans are relatively small -- the egregore can take a 3 month concentration in immigration policy while organically queuing up data centers as the next big thing (via data center -> ai -> palantir -> ice). This strategy is not top-down, but a naturally selected capitalization of the Paranoid Style in American Politics (Hofstadter, 1964) on the growing populist left. This natural process (American Third-Worldist Peronism?) shows no sign of slowing, and will probably rule America without interruption until the coming fiscal crisis hits, when interest payments hit 25% of government spending, around 2040. At that point people will just let Yarvin give it a shot. If you have kids you should work to ensure they have a pathway out of the country, preferably to Switzerland, Norway, Sweden, etc.
>>9056
"trans shit" is flattening the real phenomenon.
Progressives today believe in an "omnicause" best exemplified by the template "x-rights are y-rights", where x and y can describe any group. This bundling is necessary in a landscape where attention spans are relatively small -- the egregore can take a 3 month concentration in immigration policy while organically queuing up data centers as the next big thing (via data center -> ai -> palantir -> ice). This strategy is not top-down, but a naturally selected capitalization of the Paranoid Style in American Politics (Hofstadter, 1964) on the growing populist left. This natural process (American Third-Worldist Peronism?) shows no sign of slowing, and will probably rule America without interruption until the coming fiscal crisis hits, when interest payments hit 25% of government spending, around 2040. At that point people will just let Yarvin give it a shot. If you have kids you should work to ensure they have a pathway out of the country, preferably to Switzerland, Norway, Sweden, etc.
In short, Trump had the last chance at preventing the coming Crisis of Democracy, and he blew it on foreign adventurism. He will be remembered like Carter, George W, as a generationally incompetent bag-fumbler.
But all of this will be overshadowed by AGI and maybe we'll just forget it.
>>9011 (OP)
Granted, the shadow struggle in Democratic politics over the last 2 years has shown that the trannies are just as adept as ever at keeping themselves firmly wedged into elite social liberalism. The 2nd waver feminists simply don't have the numbers to displace them in elite conversations. So it looks like 19/20 of the Dems who participate in the next stage of campaigning will have staffs that are unthinkingly pro-trans, and the 1/20 that is trans-critical will be the proverbial blind pig who occasionally finds an acorn.
Nevertheless, I'm willing to venture that we have passed "peak trans." The metabolism of the trans conversation is simply too fast. Google Trends shows it ramped up in 2015 (after gay marriage was legalized in the USA and the LGBT movement needed something new to do) and hit almost all of its peaks in 2016-17. That's pretty speedy growth for a culture war issue. The only spike in web traffic that has hit the same level since then was the Bud Light scandal, and that was 3 years ago.
If we assume that there was a backlog of people with badly managed mental disorders, most of them claimed their genderspecial self-identity in or near 2020, got their rainbow party, and are now thoroughly back in the throes of their mental disorders. We've probably run through the backlog of high-test guys who are at-risk to develop AGP when the missus hits menopause and they're sent to the goon cave. The rate of uptake must have slowed by now.
A related argument is that I think the shock factor of trans shit is wearing thin, and I think transitioning is getting normalized by default. Despite the hysterics, there has not been any widespread right-wing push to detransition people. The driver's license stuff is probably the most that right-wing politicians will ever be able to do to trannies, and beyond that I think that trans people will simply hold their ground. If they're not going to camps, and they're not going to simply fade away, then I think that people are going to get used to seeing the occasional tranny or genderspecial. The "why u mad tho" crowd is gaining ground on this issue.
As tranny stuff loses its shock value, it will also be less useful as a signal for liberal politicians. In 10 years, tranny politics may be much like HIV / PReP politics: something niche followed intensely by queers and treated with apathy from the general public. And liberal politics will chase other ways to signal their views to the base.
Anonymous :
24 days ago :
No.9164
>>9175
>>9164
Lolberts collapsed when platforms shifted toward data collection and b2b sales as revenue generation. Can't exactly oppose that from free-market principles.
I wouldn't call EFF "fake", they've been around the block, much closer to "fallen glory" like the ACLU. Snowden-era EFF was quite influential
Anonymous :
24 days ago :
No.9165
>>9166
>>9165 "abortion doula"
>>9192>>9165
1. You absolutely can extrapolate from this image alone that the EFF has been ideologically captured
2. A visit to their website would confirm the suspicion
>>9163
fake tech slavery resistance org EFF just got hollowed out to spew culture war slop so obvious that i'm beginning to suspect mick mullen hacked the site
>culture war slop
I don't see it in your pic. She's a lobbyist?...
Anonymous :
24 days ago :
No.9166
>>9176
>>9166
That's just the new New age/hippie talk. What does it have to do with "culture war slop"? It's basically specialized psychological support with less diplomas because there is not enough practitioners to satisfy demand (like a grief counselor or a career coach).
Anonymous :
24 days ago :
No.9175
>>9178
>>9175
Well, digital freedom/privacy/free software overlaps with political libertarianism but only to some extent. It's its own thing.
>>9176
In general, I'm not anti-woke, but you have to admit, how big of an issue is womens reproductive health in a Foundation dedicated to digital privacy and individual security? It's very easy to see how this slots neatly into the culture wars.
>>9202The EFF's founders have connections to a lot of the forces that it should ostensibly be opposed to. Co-founder John Perry Barlow managed Dick Cheney's presidential campaign, had connections to the World Economic Forum, and did IT for the CIA.
Even if you don't buy into the spookiness of everyone involved, >>9175 is correct about the contradictions that collapsed modern civil libertarianism. All of those forces are spent now. In whatever of the old civil libertarian institutions haven't collapsed, you get wokies or chuds rushing in to fill the power vacuum.
Funny >>9197 should mention KF because that is in itself a massive can of worms and an op all it's own, where tech-woke finds itself forced to defend massive internet-infrastructure-level censorship and and tech-chud finds itself forced to prop up one of the biggest shitcoaters alive and his blackmail community. the last bastion of the old EFF made a stir back in 2023 when it voiced opposition to the unprecedented infrastructure-level attack on KF:
www.eff.org/deeplinks/2023/08/isps-should-not-police-online-speech-no-matter-how-awful-it
that's probably when the plans for the takeover we see now were made. even though it was a captured operation from the start, the EFF got too far off the reservation. the identities and resumes of the new management are themselves an op. just look at their "leaving twitter" statement:
www.eff.org/deeplinks/2026/04/eff-leaving-x
"Just deleting the apps isn't always a realistic or accessible option" is an insane statement and the total opposite of how the old EFF used to think. it's graduated from covert sellout to overt sellout.
>>9164
I wouldn't call EFF "fake", they've been around the block, much closer to "fallen glory" like the ACLU. Snowden-era EFF was quite influential
Lolberts collapsed when platforms shifted toward data collection and b2b sales as revenue generation. Can't exactly oppose that from free-market principles.
Anonymous :
24 days ago :
No.9176
>>9178
>>9175
Well, digital freedom/privacy/free software overlaps with political libertarianism but only to some extent. It's its own thing.
>>9176
In general, I'm not anti-woke, but you have to admit, how big of an issue is womens reproductive health in a Foundation dedicated to digital privacy and individual security? It's very easy to see how this slots neatly into the culture wars.
>>9193>>9176
"What do abortion doulas have to do with culture war?" I stg
>>9196
Anonymous :
24 days ago :
No.9178
>>9179
>>9178
It has no relationship with the EFF, for sure, it's just her resume. Good for them, they're hiring a community manager with actual lobbying experience.
>>9175
>>9164
Lolberts collapsed when platforms shifted toward data collection and b2b sales as revenue generation. Can't exactly oppose that from free-market principles.
Well, digital freedom/privacy/free software overlaps with political libertarianism but only to some extent. It's its own thing.
>>9176>>9166
That's just the new New age/hippie talk. What does it have to do with "culture war slop"? It's basically specialized psychological support with less diplomas because there is not enough practitioners to satisfy demand (like a grief counselor or a career coach).
In general, I'm not anti-woke, but you have to admit, how big of an issue is womens reproductive health in a Foundation dedicated to digital privacy and individual security? It's very easy to see how this slots neatly into the culture wars.
>>9178
>>9175
Well, digital freedom/privacy/free software overlaps with political libertarianism but only to some extent. It's its own thing.
>>9176
In general, I'm not anti-woke, but you have to admit, how big of an issue is womens reproductive health in a Foundation dedicated to digital privacy and individual security? It's very easy to see how this slots neatly into the culture wars.
It has no relationship with the EFF, for sure, it's just her resume. Good for them, they're hiring a community manager with actual lobbying experience.
>>9176
>>9166
That's just the new New age/hippie talk. What does it have to do with "culture war slop"? It's basically specialized psychological support with less diplomas because there is not enough practitioners to satisfy demand (like a grief counselor or a career coach).
"What do abortion doulas have to do with culture war?" I stg
>>9192
>>9165
1. You absolutely can extrapolate from this image alone that the EFF has been ideologically captured
2. A visit to their website would confirm the suspicion
She's black? lol
To this point, your whole argument is "it's so obvious I don't need to spell it". It is lousy trolling.
>>9176>>9166
That's just the new New age/hippie talk. What does it have to do with "culture war slop"? It's basically specialized psychological support with less diplomas because there is not enough practitioners to satisfy demand (like a grief counselor or a career coach).
Well yeah, explain, because it has nothing to so with it AFAIK
Anonymous :
22 days ago :
No.9197
>>9198 >>9202
The EFF's founders have connections to a lot of the forces that it should ostensibly be opposed to. Co-founder John Perry Barlow managed Dick Cheney's presidential campaign, had connections to the World Economic Forum, and did IT for the CIA.
Even if you don't buy into the spookiness of everyone involved, >>9175 is correct about the contradictions that collapsed modern civil libertarianism. All of those forces are spent now. In whatever of the old civil libertarian institutions haven't collapsed, you get wokies or chuds rushing in to fill the power vacuum.
Funny >>9197 should mention KF because that is in itself a massive can of worms and an op all it's own, where tech-woke finds itself forced to defend massive internet-infrastructure-level censorship and and tech-chud finds itself forced to prop up one of the biggest shitcoaters alive and his blackmail community. the last bastion of the old EFF made a stir back in 2023 when it voiced opposition to the unprecedented infrastructure-level attack on KF:
www.eff.org/deeplinks/2023/08/isps-should-not-police-online-speech-no-matter-how-awful-it
that's probably when the plans for the takeover we see now were made. even though it was a captured operation from the start, the EFF got too far off the reservation. the identities and resumes of the new management are themselves an op. just look at their "leaving twitter" statement:
www.eff.org/deeplinks/2026/04/eff-leaving-x
"Just deleting the apps isn't always a realistic or accessible option" is an insane statement and the total opposite of how the old EFF used to think. it's graduated from covert sellout to overt sellout.
>>9203>>9197
Truthnuke oh my god
Barely anything having to do with the transgender issue in US politics matters even a little bit. Isn't it basically just a discord subculture?
You're not going to get level-headed talk from this board when it comes to hot button culture war topics because this place is frequented by Kiwifarms/ex-4chan types after the site was featured on there. Maybe after yet another year of languishing in forum purgatory Mr. Admin will grow some balls and start doing some intentional curation (banning idiotic reactionary users and other such morons).
>>9196
It's so obvious I don't need to spell it out, AND you can spell it out for yourself by googling "EFF" and looking around for 3 minutes. I promise you can unlock the chastity cage you put around your pattern recognition neurons, nothing bad will happen.
>>9197
You're not going to get level-headed talk from this board when it comes to hot button culture war topics because this place is frequented by Kiwifarms/ex-4chan types after the site was featured on there. Maybe after yet another year of languishing in forum purgatory Mr. Admin will grow some balls and start doing some intentional curation (banning idiotic reactionary users and other such morons).
You're retarded
>>9198
No debate requires telepathy.
Anonymous :
22 days ago :
No.9202
>>9205
>>9202
Haha, RIP John (I believe that's who's in your picrel), he was a real one among real ones. I followed his site religiously back in the day. I can't really disagree with your reply even though I want to. I want the new hire to have nothing to do with the fall of the EFF, I want her to have a natural interest in digital privacy instead of being a pointless DEI hire, I don't want another black woman to be the target of angry white boys online... many things I want, but will not get this time. There are no spookhunters left, all the 'punks getting paid and pacified by tech corps, even the Russians and Iranians and Chinese all work for their respective governments now, everything is so hopeless. Maybe the ignorant zoomers and gen alpha will unknowingly pick up the torch by their threats of "Minecraft"-ing data centers. Certainly not us, millennials, digital cattle unrivalled.
Hold me anon, we are kin from a previous time, standing in our roman ruins.
The EFF's founders have connections to a lot of the forces that it should ostensibly be opposed to. Co-founder John Perry Barlow managed Dick Cheney's presidential campaign, had connections to the World Economic Forum, and did IT for the CIA.
Even if you don't buy into the spookiness of everyone involved, >>9175
>>9164
Lolberts collapsed when platforms shifted toward data collection and b2b sales as revenue generation. Can't exactly oppose that from free-market principles.
is correct about the contradictions that collapsed modern civil libertarianism. All of those forces are spent now. In whatever of the old civil libertarian institutions haven't collapsed, you get wokies or chuds rushing in to fill the power vacuum.
Funny >>9197You're not going to get level-headed talk from this board when it comes to hot button culture war topics because this place is frequented by Kiwifarms/ex-4chan types after the site was featured on there. Maybe after yet another year of languishing in forum purgatory Mr. Admin will grow some balls and start doing some intentional curation (banning idiotic reactionary users and other such morons).
should mention KF because that is in itself a massive can of worms and an op all it's own, where tech-woke finds itself forced to defend massive internet-infrastructure-level censorship and and tech-chud finds itself forced to prop up one of the biggest shitcoaters alive and his blackmail community. the last bastion of the old EFF made a stir back in 2023 when it voiced opposition to the unprecedented infrastructure-level attack on KF:
www.eff.org/deeplinks/2023/08/isps-should-not-police-online-speech-no-matter-how-awful-it
that's probably when the plans for the takeover we see now were made. even though it was a captured operation from the start, the EFF got too far off the reservation. the identities and resumes of the new management are themselves an op. just look at their "leaving twitter" statement:
www.eff.org/deeplinks/2026/04/eff-leaving-x
"Just deleting the apps isn't always a realistic or accessible option" is an insane statement and the total opposite of how the old EFF used to think. it's graduated from covert sellout to overt sellout.
Anonymous :
21 days ago :
No.9203
>>9204
>>9203
About 6% of college students identify as transgender and/or non-binary
>>9197
You're not going to get level-headed talk from this board when it comes to hot button culture war topics because this place is frequented by Kiwifarms/ex-4chan types after the site was featured on there. Maybe after yet another year of languishing in forum purgatory Mr. Admin will grow some balls and start doing some intentional curation (banning idiotic reactionary users and other such morons).
Truthnuke oh my god
Barely anything having to do with the transgender issue in US politics matters even a little bit. Isn't it basically just a discord subculture?
>>9202
The EFF's founders have connections to a lot of the forces that it should ostensibly be opposed to. Co-founder John Perry Barlow managed Dick Cheney's presidential campaign, had connections to the World Economic Forum, and did IT for the CIA.
Even if you don't buy into the spookiness of everyone involved, >>9175 is correct about the contradictions that collapsed modern civil libertarianism. All of those forces are spent now. In whatever of the old civil libertarian institutions haven't collapsed, you get wokies or chuds rushing in to fill the power vacuum.
Funny >>9197 should mention KF because that is in itself a massive can of worms and an op all it's own, where tech-woke finds itself forced to defend massive internet-infrastructure-level censorship and and tech-chud finds itself forced to prop up one of the biggest shitcoaters alive and his blackmail community. the last bastion of the old EFF made a stir back in 2023 when it voiced opposition to the unprecedented infrastructure-level attack on KF:
www.eff.org/deeplinks/2023/08/isps-should-not-police-online-speech-no-matter-how-awful-it
that's probably when the plans for the takeover we see now were made. even though it was a captured operation from the start, the EFF got too far off the reservation. the identities and resumes of the new management are themselves an op. just look at their "leaving twitter" statement:
www.eff.org/deeplinks/2026/04/eff-leaving-x
"Just deleting the apps isn't always a realistic or accessible option" is an insane statement and the total opposite of how the old EFF used to think. it's graduated from covert sellout to overt sellout.
Haha, RIP John (I believe that's who's in your picrel), he was a real one among real ones. I followed his site religiously back in the day. I can't really disagree with your reply even though I want to. I want the new hire to have nothing to do with the fall of the EFF, I want her to have a natural interest in digital privacy instead of being a pointless DEI hire, I don't want another black woman to be the target of angry white boys online... many things I want, but will not get this time. There are no spookhunters left, all the 'punks getting paid and pacified by tech corps, even the Russians and Iranians and Chinese all work for their respective governments now, everything is so hopeless. Maybe the ignorant zoomers and gen alpha will unknowingly pick up the torch by their threats of "Minecraft"-ing data centers. Certainly not us, millennials, digital cattle unrivalled.
Hold me anon, we are kin from a previous time, standing in our roman ruins.
Anonymous :
21 days ago :
No.9206
>>9209
>>9206
I am stunned that trans man is higher than trans woman. I don't think I've ever even met a trans man in real life (inb4 survivorship bias airplane). America is a foreign country fr
>>9244>>9206
the statistics that we have are muddied a bit. this is just college students, genpop data should be higher as post-2008 trans is a downwardly-mobile (ex-)middle-class/proletarianization-threatened labor aristocrat phenomenon. it's a fairly white phenomenon too, but it is spreading into other ethnic groups rapidly, from their most moneyed/educated segments on down. internationally, it's generally a five eyes/english-speaking country phenomenon, with noticeable penetration into latin america/asia.
the explosion of non-binary in the graph tracks. it's a defining feature of post-2008 trans. it serves as a structurally supportive catch-all, described as "training trans", "trans lite", "legally definable gender-nonconformity", "obfuscated transition", etc. it's not just that gender is a spectrum - believing that gender is a spectrum is also itself a spectrum. every "binary" transition requires significant social support and it's plainly visible here. if "allies" were included in the graph you'd probably see figures for them north of 80% by 2024.
so yeah, the "1% of 1%" and "shiny pokemon encounter rate" memes are dying but they'll take a while to die since the activists and their narratives would prefer that they remain in place. but all you have to do to know that society has changed is walk into an independent enough coffee shop now. the infrastructure has been in place for a while.
Anonymous :
21 days ago :
No.9209
>>9210
>>9011 (OP)
Woke II is going to suck but honestly the right had it coming. They squandered their golden opportunity on the most pointless things. Imagine if Trump had shut up and poured all the money/resources on hand into rebuilding American manufacturing.
>>9209
FTMs living in the West are the dumbest people. You were living life on easy mode and you gave it up. I don’t get it.
>>9212>>9209
Your observational bias stems from perceptual contrast. Men who signal femininity stick out horrendously. Women who counter-signal femininity don't stick out whatsoever.
>>9214>>9209
>>9210
>>9212
I would have done anything as a 11 yo to escape what becoming a woman meant. I am (now) thankful I didn't know it was possible. The street harassment is too much, but I suspect the suddenly different look in your uncle/brother/father's eyes truly makes the idea of going male appealing. (yeah, yeah, not all men, but enough do)
But these are the usual arguments (I see the incel adjacent talking points coming following "women have life on easy mode") and we are all rehashing the same conversation again and again. What's the point of this thread? What are we doing? Humanity won't gain from it, you won't either, only bots and NPC win.
Anonymous :
21 days ago :
No.9210
>>9214
>>9209
>>9210
>>9212
I would have done anything as a 11 yo to escape what becoming a woman meant. I am (now) thankful I didn't know it was possible. The street harassment is too much, but I suspect the suddenly different look in your uncle/brother/father's eyes truly makes the idea of going male appealing. (yeah, yeah, not all men, but enough do)
But these are the usual arguments (I see the incel adjacent talking points coming following "women have life on easy mode") and we are all rehashing the same conversation again and again. What's the point of this thread? What are we doing? Humanity won't gain from it, you won't either, only bots and NPC win.
>>9011 (OP)
Woke II is going to suck but honestly the right had it coming. They squandered their golden opportunity on the most pointless things. Imagine if Trump had shut up and poured all the money/resources on hand into rebuilding American manufacturing.
>>9209
>>9206
I am stunned that trans man is higher than trans woman. I don't think I've ever even met a trans man in real life (inb4 survivorship bias airplane). America is a foreign country fr
FTMs living in the West are the dumbest people. You were living life on easy mode and you gave it up. I don’t get it.
Anonymous :
21 days ago :
No.9212
>>9214
>>9209
>>9210
>>9212
I would have done anything as a 11 yo to escape what becoming a woman meant. I am (now) thankful I didn't know it was possible. The street harassment is too much, but I suspect the suddenly different look in your uncle/brother/father's eyes truly makes the idea of going male appealing. (yeah, yeah, not all men, but enough do)
But these are the usual arguments (I see the incel adjacent talking points coming following "women have life on easy mode") and we are all rehashing the same conversation again and again. What's the point of this thread? What are we doing? Humanity won't gain from it, you won't either, only bots and NPC win.
>>9209
>>9206
I am stunned that trans man is higher than trans woman. I don't think I've ever even met a trans man in real life (inb4 survivorship bias airplane). America is a foreign country fr
Your observational bias stems from perceptual contrast. Men who signal femininity stick out horrendously. Women who counter-signal femininity don't stick out whatsoever.
Anonymous :
21 days ago :
No.9214
>>9232
>>9214
> refuse to engage with the substance of the thread
> say the thread is without substance
incredible posting powers on display
>>9209
>>9206
I am stunned that trans man is higher than trans woman. I don't think I've ever even met a trans man in real life (inb4 survivorship bias airplane). America is a foreign country fr
>>9210>>9011 (OP)
Woke II is going to suck but honestly the right had it coming. They squandered their golden opportunity on the most pointless things. Imagine if Trump had shut up and poured all the money/resources on hand into rebuilding American manufacturing.
>>9209
FTMs living in the West are the dumbest people. You were living life on easy mode and you gave it up. I don’t get it.
>>9212>>9209
Your observational bias stems from perceptual contrast. Men who signal femininity stick out horrendously. Women who counter-signal femininity don't stick out whatsoever.
I would have done anything as a 11 yo to escape what becoming a woman meant. I am (now) thankful I didn't know it was possible. The street harassment is too much, but I suspect the suddenly different look in your uncle/brother/father's eyes truly makes the idea of going male appealing. (yeah, yeah, not all men, but enough do)
But these are the usual arguments (I see the incel adjacent talking points coming following "women have life on easy mode") and we are all rehashing the same conversation again and again. What's the point of this thread? What are we doing? Humanity won't gain from it, you won't either, only bots and NPC win.
>>9214
>>9209
>>9210
>>9212
I would have done anything as a 11 yo to escape what becoming a woman meant. I am (now) thankful I didn't know it was possible. The street harassment is too much, but I suspect the suddenly different look in your uncle/brother/father's eyes truly makes the idea of going male appealing. (yeah, yeah, not all men, but enough do)
But these are the usual arguments (I see the incel adjacent talking points coming following "women have life on easy mode") and we are all rehashing the same conversation again and again. What's the point of this thread? What are we doing? Humanity won't gain from it, you won't either, only bots and NPC win.
> refuse to engage with the substance of the thread
> say the thread is without substance
incredible posting powers on display
Anonymous :
20 days ago :
No.9244
>>9245
>>9244
> this is just college students, genpop data should be higher as post-2008 trans is a downwardly-mobile (ex-)middle-class/proletarianization-threatened labor aristocrat phenomenon
This is an interesting point and I think there is a chance you are right but I'm not fully convinced. I'm so used to assuming that all niche gender and sexual minorities are hugely overrepresented in the 'liberal college student' category that, while being a lazy stereotype, is still basically coherent as an identifiable group.
In particular my experience with trans people is mostly ultra-highly educated (masters and higher) MtF techies who I suppose the internet would call 'AGP transbians' except in my experience they are usually quiet and gentle people who are a million miles away from the caricature of a deranged bristle-chinned pervert.
But these people, despite their incredible visibility on the web, genuinely are 1% of 1% of the population. Or at most 2% of 2% - that is, 2% trans among 2% of the population who have postgraduate tech degrees.
So I am willing to believe that there is a tranche of working-class failsons and faildaughters who identify as trans, that far outstrips the archetypal MtF tech workers. I suppose these would be the discord crowd. Really, the best comparison is with incels (an admittedly related and intersecting group). The media idea of the incel is an upper-middle-class guy with massive privilege, probably going to a good university, maybe even working a good job, who nonetheless inexplicably despises women because of reasons that border on the risible - spurious evopsych and canthal tilt.
When in reality I do think it's true that the archetypal incel is not that privileged - because (this one's for you, Jezebel), privilege really does work and statistically speaking it tends to mean you don't become a sad and lonely fuck-up. When I think of what incels probably look like, I think of divorced parents, weird neuroses due to mixed race parentage, downward mobility, intellectual failure resulting in inferiority complexes, post-industrial towns with bad prospects for anyone, chad or otherwise.
This has been a ramble. But let's just say (and I apologise for the anglocentrism of my concluding remark) that I think incels don't come from surrey, they come from canvey island. And that's probably true of trans people too.
>>9206
>>9204
Let's be precise.
the statistics that we have are muddied a bit. this is just college students, genpop data should be higher as post-2008 trans is a downwardly-mobile (ex-)middle-class/proletarianization-threatened labor aristocrat phenomenon. it's a fairly white phenomenon too, but it is spreading into other ethnic groups rapidly, from their most moneyed/educated segments on down. internationally, it's generally a five eyes/english-speaking country phenomenon, with noticeable penetration into latin america/asia.
the explosion of non-binary in the graph tracks. it's a defining feature of post-2008 trans. it serves as a structurally supportive catch-all, described as "training trans", "trans lite", "legally definable gender-nonconformity", "obfuscated transition", etc. it's not just that gender is a spectrum - believing that gender is a spectrum is also itself a spectrum. every "binary" transition requires significant social support and it's plainly visible here. if "allies" were included in the graph you'd probably see figures for them north of 80% by 2024.
so yeah, the "1% of 1%" and "shiny pokemon encounter rate" memes are dying but they'll take a while to die since the activists and their narratives would prefer that they remain in place. but all you have to do to know that society has changed is walk into an independent enough coffee shop now. the infrastructure has been in place for a while.
Anonymous :
20 days ago :
No.9245
>>9246
>>9245
>privilege really does work and statistically speaking it tends to mean you don't become a sad and lonely fuck-up
This is a testable hypothesis
>>9252>>9245 i should point out that generally, the allies (think: DNC, ford foundation, entrenched organizers, etc) hold higher class positions than the transes themselves. there's "only" one trans member of the pritzker family, there's not that many in charge at the very top of all the ngos, etc. but their priorities are all in 100% lockstep. if the theory that trans is simply a modern reinterpretation of the eunuch holds, they'll never have true actual power but will always be delegated power, be a buffer for power.
I've had extensive personal experience with the 2008-2012 launch wavelet that later begat "the discord crowd"; most of these people were goons, early indie game devs, and furry artists from the 2005 post-deviantart wave. a lot went to college and a lot didn't, and those who did go to college usually landed well below middle-class income afterwards. they were typically south and midwest refugees who settled in austin, atlanta, the pnw, what little was left of the bay area at the time, and other such places.
>>9244
>>9206
the statistics that we have are muddied a bit. this is just college students, genpop data should be higher as post-2008 trans is a downwardly-mobile (ex-)middle-class/proletarianization-threatened labor aristocrat phenomenon. it's a fairly white phenomenon too, but it is spreading into other ethnic groups rapidly, from their most moneyed/educated segments on down. internationally, it's generally a five eyes/english-speaking country phenomenon, with noticeable penetration into latin america/asia.
the explosion of non-binary in the graph tracks. it's a defining feature of post-2008 trans. it serves as a structurally supportive catch-all, described as "training trans", "trans lite", "legally definable gender-nonconformity", "obfuscated transition", etc. it's not just that gender is a spectrum - believing that gender is a spectrum is also itself a spectrum. every "binary" transition requires significant social support and it's plainly visible here. if "allies" were included in the graph you'd probably see figures for them north of 80% by 2024.
so yeah, the "1% of 1%" and "shiny pokemon encounter rate" memes are dying but they'll take a while to die since the activists and their narratives would prefer that they remain in place. but all you have to do to know that society has changed is walk into an independent enough coffee shop now. the infrastructure has been in place for a while.
> this is just college students, genpop data should be higher as post-2008 trans is a downwardly-mobile (ex-)middle-class/proletarianization-threatened labor aristocrat phenomenon
This is an interesting point and I think there is a chance you are right but I'm not fully convinced. I'm so used to assuming that all niche gender and sexual minorities are hugely overrepresented in the 'liberal college student' category that, while being a lazy stereotype, is still basically coherent as an identifiable group.
In particular my experience with trans people is mostly ultra-highly educated (masters and higher) MtF techies who I suppose the internet would call 'AGP transbians' except in my experience they are usually quiet and gentle people who are a million miles away from the caricature of a deranged bristle-chinned pervert.
But these people, despite their incredible visibility on the web, genuinely are 1% of 1% of the population. Or at most 2% of 2% - that is, 2% trans among 2% of the population who have postgraduate tech degrees.
So I am willing to believe that there is a tranche of working-class failsons and faildaughters who identify as trans, that far outstrips the archetypal MtF tech workers. I suppose these would be the discord crowd. Really, the best comparison is with incels (an admittedly related and intersecting group). The media idea of the incel is an upper-middle-class guy with massive privilege, probably going to a good university, maybe even working a good job, who nonetheless inexplicably despises women because of reasons that border on the risible - spurious evopsych and canthal tilt.
When in reality I do think it's true that the archetypal incel is not that privileged - because (this one's for you, Jezebel), privilege really does work and statistically speaking it tends to mean you don't become a sad and lonely fuck-up. When I think of what incels probably look like, I think of divorced parents, weird neuroses due to mixed race parentage, downward mobility, intellectual failure resulting in inferiority complexes, post-industrial towns with bad prospects for anyone, chad or otherwise.
This has been a ramble. But let's just say (and I apologise for the anglocentrism of my concluding remark) that I think incels don't come from surrey, they come from canvey island. And that's probably true of trans people too.
>>9245
>>9244
> this is just college students, genpop data should be higher as post-2008 trans is a downwardly-mobile (ex-)middle-class/proletarianization-threatened labor aristocrat phenomenon
This is an interesting point and I think there is a chance you are right but I'm not fully convinced. I'm so used to assuming that all niche gender and sexual minorities are hugely overrepresented in the 'liberal college student' category that, while being a lazy stereotype, is still basically coherent as an identifiable group.
In particular my experience with trans people is mostly ultra-highly educated (masters and higher) MtF techies who I suppose the internet would call 'AGP transbians' except in my experience they are usually quiet and gentle people who are a million miles away from the caricature of a deranged bristle-chinned pervert.
But these people, despite their incredible visibility on the web, genuinely are 1% of 1% of the population. Or at most 2% of 2% - that is, 2% trans among 2% of the population who have postgraduate tech degrees.
So I am willing to believe that there is a tranche of working-class failsons and faildaughters who identify as trans, that far outstrips the archetypal MtF tech workers. I suppose these would be the discord crowd. Really, the best comparison is with incels (an admittedly related and intersecting group). The media idea of the incel is an upper-middle-class guy with massive privilege, probably going to a good university, maybe even working a good job, who nonetheless inexplicably despises women because of reasons that border on the risible - spurious evopsych and canthal tilt.
When in reality I do think it's true that the archetypal incel is not that privileged - because (this one's for you, Jezebel), privilege really does work and statistically speaking it tends to mean you don't become a sad and lonely fuck-up. When I think of what incels probably look like, I think of divorced parents, weird neuroses due to mixed race parentage, downward mobility, intellectual failure resulting in inferiority complexes, post-industrial towns with bad prospects for anyone, chad or otherwise.
This has been a ramble. But let's just say (and I apologise for the anglocentrism of my concluding remark) that I think incels don't come from surrey, they come from canvey island. And that's probably true of trans people too.
>privilege really does work and statistically speaking it tends to mean you don't become a sad and lonely fuck-up
This is a testable hypothesis
>>9245
>>9244
> this is just college students, genpop data should be higher as post-2008 trans is a downwardly-mobile (ex-)middle-class/proletarianization-threatened labor aristocrat phenomenon
This is an interesting point and I think there is a chance you are right but I'm not fully convinced. I'm so used to assuming that all niche gender and sexual minorities are hugely overrepresented in the 'liberal college student' category that, while being a lazy stereotype, is still basically coherent as an identifiable group.
In particular my experience with trans people is mostly ultra-highly educated (masters and higher) MtF techies who I suppose the internet would call 'AGP transbians' except in my experience they are usually quiet and gentle people who are a million miles away from the caricature of a deranged bristle-chinned pervert.
But these people, despite their incredible visibility on the web, genuinely are 1% of 1% of the population. Or at most 2% of 2% - that is, 2% trans among 2% of the population who have postgraduate tech degrees.
So I am willing to believe that there is a tranche of working-class failsons and faildaughters who identify as trans, that far outstrips the archetypal MtF tech workers. I suppose these would be the discord crowd. Really, the best comparison is with incels (an admittedly related and intersecting group). The media idea of the incel is an upper-middle-class guy with massive privilege, probably going to a good university, maybe even working a good job, who nonetheless inexplicably despises women because of reasons that border on the risible - spurious evopsych and canthal tilt.
When in reality I do think it's true that the archetypal incel is not that privileged - because (this one's for you, Jezebel), privilege really does work and statistically speaking it tends to mean you don't become a sad and lonely fuck-up. When I think of what incels probably look like, I think of divorced parents, weird neuroses due to mixed race parentage, downward mobility, intellectual failure resulting in inferiority complexes, post-industrial towns with bad prospects for anyone, chad or otherwise.
This has been a ramble. But let's just say (and I apologise for the anglocentrism of my concluding remark) that I think incels don't come from surrey, they come from canvey island. And that's probably true of trans people too.
i should point out that generally, the allies (think: DNC, ford foundation, entrenched organizers, etc) hold higher class positions than the transes themselves. there's "only" one trans member of the pritzker family, there's not that many in charge at the very top of all the ngos, etc. but their priorities are all in 100% lockstep. if the theory that trans is simply a modern reinterpretation of the eunuch holds, they'll never have true actual power but will always be delegated power, be a buffer for power.
I've had extensive personal experience with the 2008-2012 launch wavelet that later begat "the discord crowd"; most of these people were goons, early indie game devs, and furry artists from the 2005 post-deviantart wave. a lot went to college and a lot didn't, and those who did go to college usually landed well below middle-class income afterwards. they were typically south and midwest refugees who settled in austin, atlanta, the pnw, what little was left of the bay area at the time, and other such places.
Anonymous :
18 days ago :
No.9298
>>9382
>>9298
That's exactly where it was save for a blip in the 2010's when it was weaponized by the Democrats against Sandersism.
They really were the ultimate wreckers, of culture, of the hope of the last decade, of every social and religious institution they touch. I'd gladly drop everything to join an einsatz that purges them.
>>9409>>9298 this was called g/acc, and although that specific current failed the Blackpaper does give a lot of the game away for the clueless.
pretty sure trans ideology is about to jump ship on liberalism and move under the transhumanist umbrella, one that I think will be an important one in the coming yeras
Anonymous :
14 days ago :
No.9382
>>9384
>>9382
I think you've self-radicalized yourself away from where the real issues lie. Trans people serve as a convenient scapegoat for the actual ideological flaws that underpin all flavors of progressivism, Sandersism included.
Single payer healthcare is legitimately good policy. But you don't hear much about M4A anymore.
>>9408>>9382 "an einsatz that purges them" would give you 1-10 years before they respawned from the phones on first principles
>>9298
pretty sure trans ideology is about to jump ship on liberalism and move under the transhumanist umbrella, one that I think will be an important one in the coming yeras
That's exactly where it was save for a blip in the 2010's when it was weaponized by the Democrats against Sandersism.
They really were the ultimate wreckers, of culture, of the hope of the last decade, of every social and religious institution they touch. I'd gladly drop everything to join an einsatz that purges them.
Wish people got this mad over the environment or some shit
Anonymous :
14 days ago :
No.9384
>>9404
>>9384
The "gender-affirming care" row has all but guaranteed that M4A will never happen.
>>9382
>>9298
That's exactly where it was save for a blip in the 2010's when it was weaponized by the Democrats against Sandersism.
They really were the ultimate wreckers, of culture, of the hope of the last decade, of every social and religious institution they touch. I'd gladly drop everything to join an einsatz that purges them.
I think you've self-radicalized yourself away from where the real issues lie. Trans people serve as a convenient scapegoat for the actual ideological flaws that underpin all flavors of progressivism, Sandersism included.
Single payer healthcare is legitimately good policy. But you don't hear much about M4A anymore.
Anonymous :
13 days ago :
No.9404
>>9405
>>9404
>Americans won't get universal healthcare because of muh trannies
A special level of single-minded retardation
>>9384
>>9382
I think you've self-radicalized yourself away from where the real issues lie. Trans people serve as a convenient scapegoat for the actual ideological flaws that underpin all flavors of progressivism, Sandersism included.
Single payer healthcare is legitimately good policy. But you don't hear much about M4A anymore.
The "gender-affirming care" row has all but guaranteed that M4A will never happen.
Anonymous :
13 days ago :
No.9405
>>9410
>>9405
They gave the GOP and neoliberals a novel attack surface on M4A. "I don't want my tax dollars going to trannies" on one hand, "think about muh trannies!" on another.
>>9409
Sandy Stone, Susan Stryker, Lynn Conway, and Martine Rothblatt were all saying that stuff in the 70's and 90's. g/acc was nothing original.
Anonymous :
13 days ago :
No.9408
>>9412
>>9408
When a culture is ruined, all you can do is buy time until it's supplanted by an external, superior culture. Gentile and Lenin both understood this.
>>9382
>>9298
That's exactly where it was save for a blip in the 2010's when it was weaponized by the Democrats against Sandersism.
They really were the ultimate wreckers, of culture, of the hope of the last decade, of every social and religious institution they touch. I'd gladly drop everything to join an einsatz that purges them.
"an einsatz that purges them" would give you 1-10 years before they respawned from the phones on first principles
Anonymous :
13 days ago :
No.9409
>>9410
>>9405
They gave the GOP and neoliberals a novel attack surface on M4A. "I don't want my tax dollars going to trannies" on one hand, "think about muh trannies!" on another.
>>9409
Sandy Stone, Susan Stryker, Lynn Conway, and Martine Rothblatt were all saying that stuff in the 70's and 90's. g/acc was nothing original.
>>9298
pretty sure trans ideology is about to jump ship on liberalism and move under the transhumanist umbrella, one that I think will be an important one in the coming yeras
this was called g/acc, and although that specific current failed the Blackpaper does give a lot of the game away for the clueless.
>>9405
>>9404
>Americans won't get universal healthcare because of muh trannies
A special level of single-minded retardation
They gave the GOP and neoliberals a novel attack surface on M4A. "I don't want my tax dollars going to trannies" on one hand, "think about muh trannies!" on another.
>>9409>>9298 this was called g/acc, and although that specific current failed the Blackpaper does give a lot of the game away for the clueless.
Sandy Stone, Susan Stryker, Lynn Conway, and Martine Rothblatt were all saying that stuff in the 70's and 90's. g/acc was nothing original.
Anonymous :
13 days ago :
No.9412
>>9483
>>M4A was never going to happen. You'd have to literally overthrow the entire government to disassemble that gigascale patronage network. Which, by the way, is spreading internationally. (NHS probably won't make it to 2050 if that.)
The end of the US government is a long project that won't happen in any of our lifetimes. It was set even further back by the phones; that was the point of the phones. The gender cascade is merely a side effect of the phones. And if the US government and current society eventually goes away, it could go away with it. (>>9412)
is "economists oppose wealth tax" a meme ?
I'm willing to believe it though
politicians are not educators. they make it clear whenever they refuse to explain their choices.
glad kamala had the balls to say she'll refer to the doctors on trans issues. not sure why it's so hard to say shit like that.
>>M4A was never going to happen. You'd have to literally overthrow the entire government to disassemble that gigascale patronage network. Which, by the way, is spreading internationally. (NHS probably won't make it to 2050 if that.)
The end of the US government is a long project that won't happen in any of our lifetimes. It was set even further back by the phones; that was the point of the phones. The gender cascade is merely a side effect of the phones. And if the US government and current society eventually goes away, it could go away with it. (>>9412
>>9408
When a culture is ruined, all you can do is buy time until it's supplanted by an external, superior culture. Gentile and Lenin both understood this.
)
Anonymous :
6 days ago :
No.9587
>>9589
>>9587
the mardoll situation feels unique in that she (or was it he?) was even among a web collective of shrill browbeating moralisers the most shrill and the most incessantly moralising. tbh i dont think working on rocket engines or whatever is a truly evil thing to do, you dont control your country's foreign policy and the fact is that even a leftist should recognise that their own country still needs an arms industry.
but when it's the person who calls people ableist for saying that writers should read books, and it turns out they have a completely fake and gay nepo baby sinecure at a defense contractor, it is too beautifully ironic to resist the urge to point and laugh
>>9652The comedian who's sketch inspired that convo in >>9587 turned out to be a total nepo baby himself (mom literally dated epstein, dad on the board of CBS) but that's almost totally expected. You begin to recognize these traps as you see them. "comedy", especially popular stand-up, has become a complete polarized shithole where survival depends even more on sus connections than it once did. That's a separate discussion all it's own though.
What did just happen here, with this brief social media episode, was a perfect little shitcoat. A guy brings up an obvious contradiction in priority for american progressives and what do you know, he's sus. The message is rugpulled by the choice of messenger. We saw this time and time again during COVID, another big time of great contradictions. Everyone whose criticism of the mandate regime became the most visible, more often than not, was on the right. (Or worse, turned to the right later.) All the crime, destruction and theft of COVID was only allowed to be opposed by rightoids in the rightoid System, and therefore "leftoids" in the "leftoid System" were required to attack the rightists by defending the mandates. Anyone who identified as "left" who opposed mandate world was singled out for direct distributed attack.
The covid mandate opposition shitcoat playbook I just described was merely a refined repeat of the trans opposition shitcoat playbook from a decade before, where activists did basically the same thing to everyone who was in their way. They won changes to basic societal interaction that are unlikely to be walked back even if the willpower existed to do so.
The transactivists were in turn borrowing a winning strategy from the original shitcoaters of the postwar period - the zionists. Israel coasted on 80 years of Post-Nuremburg moral authority. For decades, the only people who dared to criticize it were neo-nazis and other various Protocolsian antisemite niche groups who were already far on the fringe. Anyone else who dared speak out against Zionism got painted with that brush. Zionism got, and is getting, everything it ever wanted with a minimum of friction from the home front. The temptation to repeat this process has proven irresistible even though it has become increasingly recognizable.
we got another ana mardoll type situation in aisle 4. although there was far more evidence that mardoll was a real lockheed martin employee
>>9587
we got another ana mardoll type situation in aisle 4. although there was far more evidence that mardoll was a real lockheed martin employee
the mardoll situation feels unique in that she (or was it he?) was even among a web collective of shrill browbeating moralisers the most shrill and the most incessantly moralising. tbh i dont think working on rocket engines or whatever is a truly evil thing to do, you dont control your country's foreign policy and the fact is that even a leftist should recognise that their own country still needs an arms industry.
but when it's the person who calls people ableist for saying that writers should read books, and it turns out they have a completely fake and gay nepo baby sinecure at a defense contractor, it is too beautifully ironic to resist the urge to point and laugh
Anonymous :
3 days ago :
No.9652
>>9674
>>9652
Nepo baby overproduction is getting so bad that they have to be instagram reels crowdwork comedians now
The comedian who's sketch inspired that convo in >>9587
we got another ana mardoll type situation in aisle 4. although there was far more evidence that mardoll was a real lockheed martin employee
turned out to be a total nepo baby himself (mom literally dated epstein, dad on the board of CBS) but that's almost totally expected. You begin to recognize these traps as you see them. "comedy", especially popular stand-up, has become a complete polarized shithole where survival depends even more on sus connections than it once did. That's a separate discussion all it's own though.
What did just happen here, with this brief social media episode, was a perfect little shitcoat. A guy brings up an obvious contradiction in priority for american progressives and what do you know, he's sus. The message is rugpulled by the choice of messenger. We saw this time and time again during COVID, another big time of great contradictions. Everyone whose criticism of the mandate regime became the most visible, more often than not, was on the right. (Or worse, turned to the right later.) All the crime, destruction and theft of COVID was only allowed to be opposed by rightoids in the rightoid System, and therefore "leftoids" in the "leftoid System" were required to attack the rightists by defending the mandates. Anyone who identified as "left" who opposed mandate world was singled out for direct distributed attack.
The covid mandate opposition shitcoat playbook I just described was merely a refined repeat of the trans opposition shitcoat playbook from a decade before, where activists did basically the same thing to everyone who was in their way. They won changes to basic societal interaction that are unlikely to be walked back even if the willpower existed to do so.
The transactivists were in turn borrowing a winning strategy from the original shitcoaters of the postwar period - the zionists. Israel coasted on 80 years of Post-Nuremburg moral authority. For decades, the only people who dared to criticize it were neo-nazis and other various Protocolsian antisemite niche groups who were already far on the fringe. Anyone else who dared speak out against Zionism got painted with that brush. Zionism got, and is getting, everything it ever wanted with a minimum of friction from the home front. The temptation to repeat this process has proven irresistible even though it has become increasingly recognizable.
>>9652
The comedian who's sketch inspired that convo in >>9587 turned out to be a total nepo baby himself (mom literally dated epstein, dad on the board of CBS) but that's almost totally expected. You begin to recognize these traps as you see them. "comedy", especially popular stand-up, has become a complete polarized shithole where survival depends even more on sus connections than it once did. That's a separate discussion all it's own though.
What did just happen here, with this brief social media episode, was a perfect little shitcoat. A guy brings up an obvious contradiction in priority for american progressives and what do you know, he's sus. The message is rugpulled by the choice of messenger. We saw this time and time again during COVID, another big time of great contradictions. Everyone whose criticism of the mandate regime became the most visible, more often than not, was on the right. (Or worse, turned to the right later.) All the crime, destruction and theft of COVID was only allowed to be opposed by rightoids in the rightoid System, and therefore "leftoids" in the "leftoid System" were required to attack the rightists by defending the mandates. Anyone who identified as "left" who opposed mandate world was singled out for direct distributed attack.
The covid mandate opposition shitcoat playbook I just described was merely a refined repeat of the trans opposition shitcoat playbook from a decade before, where activists did basically the same thing to everyone who was in their way. They won changes to basic societal interaction that are unlikely to be walked back even if the willpower existed to do so.
The transactivists were in turn borrowing a winning strategy from the original shitcoaters of the postwar period - the zionists. Israel coasted on 80 years of Post-Nuremburg moral authority. For decades, the only people who dared to criticize it were neo-nazis and other various Protocolsian antisemite niche groups who were already far on the fringe. Anyone else who dared speak out against Zionism got painted with that brush. Zionism got, and is getting, everything it ever wanted with a minimum of friction from the home front. The temptation to repeat this process has proven irresistible even though it has become increasingly recognizable.
Nepo baby overproduction is getting so bad that they have to be instagram reels crowdwork comedians now