/pt/ – Petrarchan

Day 2 of irreperable lung damage. It's a nice afternoon today, although a bit cold. I've smoked one cig and it took the edge off really nicely. I might smoke another in an hour or so once the nicotine wears off. I'll try to stop there. >>8812 >>8817 >>8830 I agree that it is a fleeting and senseless LARP. Is any other "lifestyle" choice any less performative, though? Like doing the complete opposite: being a health nut, drinking kale smoothies and joining a run club and (insert millenial trope), or being obsessively into premium coffee sourced from the farthest corners of some third world county, or collecting pretty sneakers, or drinking locally sourced tailor made craft beer that still tastes like piss. Is there anything that gives us identity while not being a LARP? >>8822 I often scroll through the steam shop in search of something that piques my interest to no avail. And when I do find something interesting, I end up dropping it after a few weeks (and now $20 poorer). It's odd because I used to play videogames pretty avidly. >>8830 My feeling is that, assuming that I'll live to the average of 78, my last years wouldn't be as "enjoyable" as my current years + a vice. That's to say that I'd rather trade a decade shitting my pants in the hospice for a few moments of pleasure today. My perspective will probably change (accompanied by regret) 20 years from now. However, that's the best I can come up with when it comes to the detriment that I am causing to my body. What brand do you recommend? I bought a pack of Marlboro Red 100s out of brand recognition. I'm not really sure if I like them given that I haven't tried any other cigarettes. Also, why do people like rolling their own (apart from being cheaper)? Are they really that much better?

unfortunately for me, i enjoy tobacco. packs of marlboros are okay (i wouldn't turn one down at a bar), but a nice, fresh bag of tobacco has such a profound depth of scent. it's like a caramelized plant (which, that is what some of it is). >>8817 is right. the whole thing is a mingled together charade and facade, and it might eventually kill you. and it is fun. rolling up a cigarette, chatting, the break, the buzz. fortunately for me, i've never felt a real compulsion to smoke. this is maybe cope, but i can just drop it. i was never a heavy smoker to begin with (1 cigarette a day at my max, not counting social smoking at parties). i would miss it and its world, but i don't think it's worth COPD, lung cancer, heart problems, and so on. sometimes i do think it would be fun to be a mark twain or freud style smoker who is just surrounded by smoke at all times, but i don't think i even have the stamina for that. >>8813 i think this would only work if you had a smoke/oral fixation, because the effects are nothing alike.

>>8817 Fine to smoke at a party of course but whoever bought the pack is gay

>>8817 I don't smoke but I have tremendous disdain for vapers. If you smoke ciggies it's whatever to me, long as you don't blow smoke in people's faces etc. Which most smokers do not. Vapers though have 0 culture whatsoever and vapes stink far worse ( but stick to clothes less). I can stand being in room full of smokers, but erastzy stench of whatever the fuck "" flavor"" it is supppsed to be has me going ballistic.

>>8817 the rs demographic is not immune to big tobacco propaganda

unfortunately for me, i enjoy tobacco. packs of marlboros are okay (i wouldn't turn one down at a bar), but a nice, fresh bag of tobacco has such a profound depth of scent. it's like a caramelized plant (which, that is what some of it is). >>8817 is right. the whole thing is a mingled together charade and facade, and it might eventually kill you. and it is fun. rolling up a cigarette, chatting, the break, the buzz. fortunately for me, i've never felt a real compulsion to smoke. this is maybe cope, but i can just drop it. i was never a heavy smoker to begin with (1 cigarette a day at my max, not counting social smoking at parties). i would miss it and its world, but i don't think it's worth COPD, lung cancer, heart problems, and so on. sometimes i do think it would be fun to be a mark twain or freud style smoker who is just surrounded by smoke at all times, but i don't think i even have the stamina for that. >>8813 i think this would only work if you had a smoke/oral fixation, because the effects are nothing alike.

Day 2 of irreperable lung damage. It's a nice afternoon today, although a bit cold. I've smoked one cig and it took the edge off really nicely. I might smoke another in an hour or so once the nicotine wears off. I'll try to stop there. >>8812 >>8817 >>8830 I agree that it is a fleeting and senseless LARP. Is any other "lifestyle" choice any less performative, though? Like doing the complete opposite: being a health nut, drinking kale smoothies and joining a run club and (insert millenial trope), or being obsessively into premium coffee sourced from the farthest corners of some third world county, or collecting pretty sneakers, or drinking locally sourced tailor made craft beer that still tastes like piss. Is there anything that gives us identity while not being a LARP? >>8822 I often scroll through the steam shop in search of something that piques my interest to no avail. And when I do find something interesting, I end up dropping it after a few weeks (and now $20 poorer). It's odd because I used to play videogames pretty avidly. >>8830 My feeling is that, assuming that I'll live to the average of 78, my last years wouldn't be as "enjoyable" as my current years + a vice. That's to say that I'd rather trade a decade shitting my pants in the hospice for a few moments of pleasure today. My perspective will probably change (accompanied by regret) 20 years from now. However, that's the best I can come up with when it comes to the detriment that I am causing to my body. What brand do you recommend? I bought a pack of Marlboro Red 100s out of brand recognition. I'm not really sure if I like them given that I haven't tried any other cigarettes. Also, why do people like rolling their own (apart from being cheaper)? Are they really that much better?

>>8819 >vapers Could be worse

>>8819 "Vapes stink far worse" you're retarded QED

Day 2 of irreperable lung damage. It's a nice afternoon today, although a bit cold. I've smoked one cig and it took the edge off really nicely. I might smoke another in an hour or so once the nicotine wears off. I'll try to stop there. >>8812 >>8817 >>8830 I agree that it is a fleeting and senseless LARP. Is any other "lifestyle" choice any less performative, though? Like doing the complete opposite: being a health nut, drinking kale smoothies and joining a run club and (insert millenial trope), or being obsessively into premium coffee sourced from the farthest corners of some third world county, or collecting pretty sneakers, or drinking locally sourced tailor made craft beer that still tastes like piss. Is there anything that gives us identity while not being a LARP? >>8822 I often scroll through the steam shop in search of something that piques my interest to no avail. And when I do find something interesting, I end up dropping it after a few weeks (and now $20 poorer). It's odd because I used to play videogames pretty avidly. >>8830 My feeling is that, assuming that I'll live to the average of 78, my last years wouldn't be as "enjoyable" as my current years + a vice. That's to say that I'd rather trade a decade shitting my pants in the hospice for a few moments of pleasure today. My perspective will probably change (accompanied by regret) 20 years from now. However, that's the best I can come up with when it comes to the detriment that I am causing to my body. What brand do you recommend? I bought a pack of Marlboro Red 100s out of brand recognition. I'm not really sure if I like them given that I haven't tried any other cigarettes. Also, why do people like rolling their own (apart from being cheaper)? Are they really that much better?

>>8824 It does smell like toilet bowl perfume. At least with cigarette smoke, you know which cancer awaits.

>>8825 whatever bro you're british

Day 2 of irreperable lung damage. It's a nice afternoon today, although a bit cold. I've smoked one cig and it took the edge off really nicely. I might smoke another in an hour or so once the nicotine wears off. I'll try to stop there. >>8812 >>8817 >>8830 I agree that it is a fleeting and senseless LARP. Is any other "lifestyle" choice any less performative, though? Like doing the complete opposite: being a health nut, drinking kale smoothies and joining a run club and (insert millenial trope), or being obsessively into premium coffee sourced from the farthest corners of some third world county, or collecting pretty sneakers, or drinking locally sourced tailor made craft beer that still tastes like piss. Is there anything that gives us identity while not being a LARP? >>8822 I often scroll through the steam shop in search of something that piques my interest to no avail. And when I do find something interesting, I end up dropping it after a few weeks (and now $20 poorer). It's odd because I used to play videogames pretty avidly. >>8830 My feeling is that, assuming that I'll live to the average of 78, my last years wouldn't be as "enjoyable" as my current years + a vice. That's to say that I'd rather trade a decade shitting my pants in the hospice for a few moments of pleasure today. My perspective will probably change (accompanied by regret) 20 years from now. However, that's the best I can come up with when it comes to the detriment that I am causing to my body. What brand do you recommend? I bought a pack of Marlboro Red 100s out of brand recognition. I'm not really sure if I like them given that I haven't tried any other cigarettes. Also, why do people like rolling their own (apart from being cheaper)? Are they really that much better?

>>8842 You can just commit suicide if you're that old and suffering without the lung damage, don't have to go through that whole mess of decreased lung capacity. What about the vidya doe? That's more interesting, there's certainly been this global decline in interest of gaming (and perhaps with the internet in general.) The way you phrased yourself, I get the impression that you play it without being really invested into the games and then drop it after a while

>>8842 Why do people have this idea that cigarettes just chop off the last fifteen years of your life, as if all you were going to do in those years was piss yourself in a nursing home in front of Fawlty Towers re-runs? (a) many people have a healthy, active, and enjoyable old age. as a person in a developed country right now, so long as you don't make any truly catastrophic health decisions (like weighing 200kg, drinking a bottle of whiskey a day, or habitually smoking cigarettes) you can expect to make it well into your 80s and maybe further. (B) Dying from COPD or Lung Cancer is horrible. It's basically being suffocated slowly to death over months or years. You don't get to die in your armchair with a glass of bourbon at the age of precisely 73 after an active day of horseback riding and womanising.

>>8842 (am 8830) >Is there anything that gives us identity while not being a LARP? I think something that "fits", enhances, or even expands your personality can meet your criteria. Other than running, which I'll admit has its problems, I think all those other examples fall under the same category as smoking, which is a simple consumptive activity. I think anyone can be performative about anything, and most things are more of a performance than we think, all the world's a stage, etc, but many people do things that make them a more interesting person, not simply appear to be so. > Also, why do people like rolling their own (apart from being cheaper)? Are they really that much better? I have a local tobacconist who makes their own RYO blends, which are better than regular commercial tobacco, imo. The stuff in the pouch is okay, I still like it better than cigarette brands. Most of my friends rolled their own cigarettes, ergo, I started doing it too. It has a "bohemian" vibe, which translates to being an even harder try-hard than normal cigarette smoker, but it is also much cheaper (which you've already noted). I like the ritual of it. >>8848 I agree, and it is interesting that many don't think about this aspect of health and longevity. You aren't even bringing up the (greater) potential for a stroke (which may not kill you and leave you disabled) or a heart attack, and so on. I suppose it may be because old age can appear so luck-based, an unfortunate accident (eg, a fall) or a seemingly random illness can irrevocably change your quality of life forever. Of course, it's the same in youth too, but many youngins can bounce back from something that may be critical to an elderly person. Maybe it's a fear of aging, nobody wants to see quality of life as something worth considering because it's not a stage people want to get to anyway.

>>8843 I don't really know. I mostly play RTSs and FPS MILSIMs. I just stop caring after a while. This to the point that I scoff at people who take it really seriously but care too much to enjoy the game whimsically. I think the most "gaming" I do on a daily basis is the New York Times games lol

>>8845 You should aim to live beyond based and cringe >>8848 From what I've read (which is not a lot), a decent amount of the worst side effects of smoking are avoided if you quit before you're 35. I can't link to any of the papers/articles (jannies pls) but it's something like 100% of excess cancer risk is avoided if you quit before 35-40. Also found this: "In a UK Biobank study, each additional pack-year was associated with a 0.9% increase in the risk of all cancers and a 1.7% increase in the risk of smoking-related cancers." Assuming that I smoke 2 cigarettes every day for the next 20 years, I would've smoked 2 pack years. Bad, but not terrible. Worth it? Who knows. I'm not smart enough to figure the numbers out, but it's (seemingly) possible that being obese causes a higher or equal increase in risk of cancer than smoking lightly throughout your whole life. If you wanted to be real fuckin edgy and cool and detached then you could argue that for your average American the appetite-suppressing properties of smoking will lower their overall cancer risk. Again, this is based off of a 5 minute google search so I'm sure someone can deboonk my retarded argument. >>8849 Is there one easily accessible, pleasurable activity that doesn't instantly lower the ceiling on your health? >>8852 >I think anyone can be performative about anything, and most things are more of a performance than we think, all the world's a stage, etc, but many people do things that make them a more interesting person, not simply appear to be so. I agree. But doing so would require effort on my part. We can't have that. >It has a "bohemian" vibe, which translates to being an even harder try-hard than normal cigarette smoker, This is good news given I'm trying to become as insufferable as possible. >nobody wants to see quality of life as something worth considering because it's not a stage people want to get to anyway. I do get the sense that everyone around me is increasingly pessimistic about the outlook of our future. Even if, according to the data, we enjoy the greatest quality of life ever achieved in human history, is the existence of a "vibe-cession" not an incredibly worrying sign of our collective worries? I'm not sure if I would be smoking if I were a white guy in the 1950s, hitched to my high-school sweetheart, who cooks me and my 3 dim children a hearty meal while I leave my shift at the local bits and bobs factory.

>>8848 Everyone should HEED THIS WARNING. Cigarettes aren't an otherwise-harmless thing that slightly increases your odds of dying at 70 instead of 80. They are lowering the ceiling on your health RIGHT NOW! One day you will develop a cough and it will not go away.

>>8842 (am 8830) >Is there anything that gives us identity while not being a LARP? I think something that "fits", enhances, or even expands your personality can meet your criteria. Other than running, which I'll admit has its problems, I think all those other examples fall under the same category as smoking, which is a simple consumptive activity. I think anyone can be performative about anything, and most things are more of a performance than we think, all the world's a stage, etc, but many people do things that make them a more interesting person, not simply appear to be so. > Also, why do people like rolling their own (apart from being cheaper)? Are they really that much better? I have a local tobacconist who makes their own RYO blends, which are better than regular commercial tobacco, imo. The stuff in the pouch is okay, I still like it better than cigarette brands. Most of my friends rolled their own cigarettes, ergo, I started doing it too. It has a "bohemian" vibe, which translates to being an even harder try-hard than normal cigarette smoker, but it is also much cheaper (which you've already noted). I like the ritual of it. >>8848 I agree, and it is interesting that many don't think about this aspect of health and longevity. You aren't even bringing up the (greater) potential for a stroke (which may not kill you and leave you disabled) or a heart attack, and so on. I suppose it may be because old age can appear so luck-based, an unfortunate accident (eg, a fall) or a seemingly random illness can irrevocably change your quality of life forever. Of course, it's the same in youth too, but many youngins can bounce back from something that may be critical to an elderly person. Maybe it's a fear of aging, nobody wants to see quality of life as something worth considering because it's not a stage people want to get to anyway.

>>8845 You should aim to live beyond based and cringe >>8848 From what I've read (which is not a lot), a decent amount of the worst side effects of smoking are avoided if you quit before you're 35. I can't link to any of the papers/articles (jannies pls) but it's something like 100% of excess cancer risk is avoided if you quit before 35-40. Also found this: "In a UK Biobank study, each additional pack-year was associated with a 0.9% increase in the risk of all cancers and a 1.7% increase in the risk of smoking-related cancers." Assuming that I smoke 2 cigarettes every day for the next 20 years, I would've smoked 2 pack years. Bad, but not terrible. Worth it? Who knows. I'm not smart enough to figure the numbers out, but it's (seemingly) possible that being obese causes a higher or equal increase in risk of cancer than smoking lightly throughout your whole life. If you wanted to be real fuckin edgy and cool and detached then you could argue that for your average American the appetite-suppressing properties of smoking will lower their overall cancer risk. Again, this is based off of a 5 minute google search so I'm sure someone can deboonk my retarded argument. >>8849 Is there one easily accessible, pleasurable activity that doesn't instantly lower the ceiling on your health? >>8852 >I think anyone can be performative about anything, and most things are more of a performance than we think, all the world's a stage, etc, but many people do things that make them a more interesting person, not simply appear to be so. I agree. But doing so would require effort on my part. We can't have that. >It has a "bohemian" vibe, which translates to being an even harder try-hard than normal cigarette smoker, This is good news given I'm trying to become as insufferable as possible. >nobody wants to see quality of life as something worth considering because it's not a stage people want to get to anyway. I do get the sense that everyone around me is increasingly pessimistic about the outlook of our future. Even if, according to the data, we enjoy the greatest quality of life ever achieved in human history, is the existence of a "vibe-cession" not an incredibly worrying sign of our collective worries? I'm not sure if I would be smoking if I were a white guy in the 1950s, hitched to my high-school sweetheart, who cooks me and my 3 dim children a hearty meal while I leave my shift at the local bits and bobs factory.

>>8845 You should aim to live beyond based and cringe >>8848 From what I've read (which is not a lot), a decent amount of the worst side effects of smoking are avoided if you quit before you're 35. I can't link to any of the papers/articles (jannies pls) but it's something like 100% of excess cancer risk is avoided if you quit before 35-40. Also found this: "In a UK Biobank study, each additional pack-year was associated with a 0.9% increase in the risk of all cancers and a 1.7% increase in the risk of smoking-related cancers." Assuming that I smoke 2 cigarettes every day for the next 20 years, I would've smoked 2 pack years. Bad, but not terrible. Worth it? Who knows. I'm not smart enough to figure the numbers out, but it's (seemingly) possible that being obese causes a higher or equal increase in risk of cancer than smoking lightly throughout your whole life. If you wanted to be real fuckin edgy and cool and detached then you could argue that for your average American the appetite-suppressing properties of smoking will lower their overall cancer risk. Again, this is based off of a 5 minute google search so I'm sure someone can deboonk my retarded argument. >>8849 Is there one easily accessible, pleasurable activity that doesn't instantly lower the ceiling on your health? >>8852 >I think anyone can be performative about anything, and most things are more of a performance than we think, all the world's a stage, etc, but many people do things that make them a more interesting person, not simply appear to be so. I agree. But doing so would require effort on my part. We can't have that. >It has a "bohemian" vibe, which translates to being an even harder try-hard than normal cigarette smoker, This is good news given I'm trying to become as insufferable as possible. >nobody wants to see quality of life as something worth considering because it's not a stage people want to get to anyway. I do get the sense that everyone around me is increasingly pessimistic about the outlook of our future. Even if, according to the data, we enjoy the greatest quality of life ever achieved in human history, is the existence of a "vibe-cession" not an incredibly worrying sign of our collective worries? I'm not sure if I would be smoking if I were a white guy in the 1950s, hitched to my high-school sweetheart, who cooks me and my 3 dim children a hearty meal while I leave my shift at the local bits and bobs factory.

>>8845 You should aim to live beyond based and cringe >>8848 From what I've read (which is not a lot), a decent amount of the worst side effects of smoking are avoided if you quit before you're 35. I can't link to any of the papers/articles (jannies pls) but it's something like 100% of excess cancer risk is avoided if you quit before 35-40. Also found this: "In a UK Biobank study, each additional pack-year was associated with a 0.9% increase in the risk of all cancers and a 1.7% increase in the risk of smoking-related cancers." Assuming that I smoke 2 cigarettes every day for the next 20 years, I would've smoked 2 pack years. Bad, but not terrible. Worth it? Who knows. I'm not smart enough to figure the numbers out, but it's (seemingly) possible that being obese causes a higher or equal increase in risk of cancer than smoking lightly throughout your whole life. If you wanted to be real fuckin edgy and cool and detached then you could argue that for your average American the appetite-suppressing properties of smoking will lower their overall cancer risk. Again, this is based off of a 5 minute google search so I'm sure someone can deboonk my retarded argument. >>8849 Is there one easily accessible, pleasurable activity that doesn't instantly lower the ceiling on your health? >>8852 >I think anyone can be performative about anything, and most things are more of a performance than we think, all the world's a stage, etc, but many people do things that make them a more interesting person, not simply appear to be so. I agree. But doing so would require effort on my part. We can't have that. >It has a "bohemian" vibe, which translates to being an even harder try-hard than normal cigarette smoker, This is good news given I'm trying to become as insufferable as possible. >nobody wants to see quality of life as something worth considering because it's not a stage people want to get to anyway. I do get the sense that everyone around me is increasingly pessimistic about the outlook of our future. Even if, according to the data, we enjoy the greatest quality of life ever achieved in human history, is the existence of a "vibe-cession" not an incredibly worrying sign of our collective worries? I'm not sure if I would be smoking if I were a white guy in the 1950s, hitched to my high-school sweetheart, who cooks me and my 3 dim children a hearty meal while I leave my shift at the local bits and bobs factory.

>>8856 >You should aim to live beyond based and cringe Being teenage-coded doesn't have to either based nor cringe, this is your commentary to an observation.

>>8856 >But doing so would require effort on my part. We can't have that. what's wrong with effort? > I'm not sure if I would be smoking if I were a white guy in the 1950s, isn't that funny, because that's precisely the person who once was crushing 2+ packs a day without a single care in the world?

>>8862 spring's sprung

>>8862 Sign of the times.

>>8939 >what's wrong with effort? I can't find a way to put it in ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) >isn't that funny, because that's precisely the person who once was crushing 2+ packs a day without a single care in the world? Right, but that was cultural. Nowadays the only reason you'd smoke is if shit's not going great

>>8943 >Maybe I'll try it with a few drinks in me in the future. half the pleasure from smoking comes from the juxtaposition/chemical interaction with drinking i think

>>8944 And coffee. >>8943 >Maybe I'll try it with a few drinks in me in the future. You're done for

>>8943 >I felt drowsy and got a slight headache headache makes sense, but drowsy is interesting. usually cigs just perk me up, i feel a little more "locked in", and maybe more emotionally subdued. inb4 i'm called gay for this, it's deserved, but the few times i've tried smoking tobacco from a pipe i've actually felt kind of drowsy from it. less drowsy, more lethargic.

>>8944 And coffee. >>8943 >Maybe I'll try it with a few drinks in me in the future. You're done for

>>8945 oh yeah both the caffeine and alcohol with a cig combos are the only things that can tempt me towards eventual lung cancer. very satisfying.