Or more generally, is consciousness a phenomenon reserved exclusively to individual humans and humanlike animals? Do a husband and wife share a third consciousness, a 'superconsciousness', with its own subjectivity? I've been taking this to be obviously true for many years now and making many downstream philosophical assumptions.
once you get too close to someone you kind of become them. I can predict with stunning accuracy what my brother would do or say if confronted with a certain situation. my parents can also, with maddening accuracy, predict my responses to a situation. people can still surprise of course but you can start "sharing a brain" once you're around someone for too long. see: twins. another example, you are more likely to say the same thing at the same time as your best friend than you would with a stranger. closeness creates synchronicity, to a limited extent but it does. not in a mystical, telepathic way but because if you're same species, put in same situation, similar upbringing, similar mindsets and whatnot you would respond to things the same way and once you become acclimated to the idiosyncrasies of another person you can tell how they would think and react even if you cant articulate on it
Anonymous :
10 days ago :
No.8806
>>8807
>>8806
I'm just saying that "no individual" doesn't necessarily imply "egregore". There is maybe some other possibilities we lack imagination for.
It could be like fire. What is one fire? Is it all fire at the same time? Maybe consciousness is just small fires here and there, even inside one brain/one group of people, just something that keeps lighting up and dying down, but since they're so close to each other, the Watcher can keep watching the scenery and the action and he eventually believes there is continuity. Maybe there's only Watchers, and what they imagine happens in between a dying and a born fire. I don't know, my imagination has limits.
>>8803
I'm not sure there is such a thing as an individual. But I wouldn't say there is a collective consciousness as a result.
Are you denying the existence of consciousness in general then? If there are no individuals and no egregores then we're just all p-zombies?
>>8805once you get too close to someone you kind of become them. I can predict with stunning accuracy what my brother would do or say if confronted with a certain situation. my parents can also, with maddening accuracy, predict my responses to a situation. people can still surprise of course but you can start "sharing a brain" once you're around someone for too long. see: twins. another example, you are more likely to say the same thing at the same time as your best friend than you would with a stranger. closeness creates synchronicity, to a limited extent but it does. not in a mystical, telepathic way but because if you're same species, put in same situation, similar upbringing, similar mindsets and whatnot you would respond to things the same way and once you become acclimated to the idiosyncrasies of another person you can tell how they would think and react even if you cant articulate on it
Yes exactly, multiple minds can "sync up" in a meaningful and generative way. Like how the left and right hemispheres of your brain do.
Anonymous :
9 days ago :
No.8807
>>8808
>>8807
Sure, so if what we generally perceive as one consciousness is just the arbitrary circle we drew around a collection of fires, couldn't we also arbitrarily draw a circle around multiple people?
>>8806
I'm just saying that "no individual" doesn't necessarily imply "egregore". There is maybe some other possibilities we lack imagination for.
It could be like fire. What is one fire? Is it all fire at the same time? Maybe consciousness is just small fires here and there, even inside one brain/one group of people, just something that keeps lighting up and dying down, but since they're so close to each other, the Watcher can keep watching the scenery and the action and he eventually believes there is continuity. Maybe there's only Watchers, and what they imagine happens in between a dying and a born fire. I don't know, my imagination has limits.
Anonymous :
9 days ago :
No.8808
>>8809
>>8808
I think OP asked about reality, not conventional reality (and its arbitrary definitions).
But, yeah, that's why I don't think there's individual conscience, and I don't think there is collective conscience either, rather temporary things that burns whatever is around and disappears for good.
>>8807
>>8806
I'm just saying that "no individual" doesn't necessarily imply "egregore". There is maybe some other possibilities we lack imagination for.
It could be like fire. What is one fire? Is it all fire at the same time? Maybe consciousness is just small fires here and there, even inside one brain/one group of people, just something that keeps lighting up and dying down, but since they're so close to each other, the Watcher can keep watching the scenery and the action and he eventually believes there is continuity. Maybe there's only Watchers, and what they imagine happens in between a dying and a born fire. I don't know, my imagination has limits.
Sure, so if what we generally perceive as one consciousness is just the arbitrary circle we drew around a collection of fires, couldn't we also arbitrarily draw a circle around multiple people?
>>8808
>>8807
Sure, so if what we generally perceive as one consciousness is just the arbitrary circle we drew around a collection of fires, couldn't we also arbitrarily draw a circle around multiple people?
I think OP asked about reality, not conventional reality (and its arbitrary definitions).
But, yeah, that's why I don't think there's individual conscience, and I don't think there is collective conscience either, rather temporary things that burns whatever is around and disappears for good.
Anonymous :
1 day ago :
No.8946
>>8948
>>8946
My wife dislikes basically all of nerd culture (except Buffy the Vampire Slayer) but loves them. It started with me putting on some video of their's while we were sitting around in the living room and now she gets mad if I watch a video of theirs without her.
What's up with guys that are into red letter media? Seems like it should be very embarassing, autism signifier, but many "sceney" people seem to be quite familiar. How is there an overlap between Nick Land readers and Red Letter Media viewership
>>8946
What's up with guys that are into red letter media? Seems like it should be very embarassing, autism signifier, but many "sceney" people seem to be quite familiar. How is there an overlap between Nick Land readers and Red Letter Media viewership
My wife dislikes basically all of nerd culture (except Buffy the Vampire Slayer) but loves them. It started with me putting on some video of their's while we were sitting around in the living room and now she gets mad if I watch a video of theirs without her.