Is anybody here learning a language? I'm watching youtube videos in German. Forced me to clean up my algorithm and make it only german. Anyway, share resources regarding language learning books, grammar books, and whatever you've read/watched.
Language learning :
Anonymous :
11 days ago :
No.6717
>>6725
>>6717 (OP)
Deutsche Welle hosts free German language learning resources
https://learngerman.dw.com/en/learn-german/s-9528
When you are at the point of being able to read a German-German dictionary, reading German literature to expand your vocab will be key to your success. German videos are a good start and help with listening comprehension. But they are inefficient when compared to reading books in German and expanding your vocabulary with a German-German dictionary (especially a learner's dictonary).
Anonymous :
10 days ago :
No.6724
>>6728
>>6724
I had about 5-6 years of german classes in school. Although I barely retained anything besides some grammatical concepts like how words end in present tense and past tense. I also had a tutor who would teach me German whilst I was doing CI.
If you asked me, I think CI becomes incredibly valuable after learning the basics of grammar and learning about 1000-2000 of the most common words in your target language.
Question for OP: How much experience with German did you have before passively watching videos become worthwhile? Did you work through a textbook first? Take an online course?
I've read that some hardcore Japanese learners suggest getting past this hump before abusing stimulants and reading native material all day. This seems efficient enough for me however brutal. The hump is the hard part.
>>6717 (OP)
Deutsche Welle hosts free German language learning resources
https://learngerman.dw.com/en/learn-german/s-9528
When you are at the point of being able to read a German-German dictionary, reading German literature to expand your vocab will be key to your success. German videos are a good start and help with listening comprehension. But they are inefficient when compared to reading books in German and expanding your vocabulary with a German-German dictionary (especially a learner's dictonary).
I was just thinking about remaking a language learning thread.
Ive previously tried learning French, Italian, and ancient Greek, but I'm a disciplinecel and can't focus on studies if I'm not forced to do it.
Might try to go back to French or Greek again in the near future.
>>6724
Question for OP: How much experience with German did you have before passively watching videos become worthwhile? Did you work through a textbook first? Take an online course?
I've read that some hardcore Japanese learners suggest getting past this hump before abusing stimulants and reading native material all day. This seems efficient enough for me however brutal. The hump is the hard part.
I had about 5-6 years of german classes in school. Although I barely retained anything besides some grammatical concepts like how words end in present tense and past tense. I also had a tutor who would teach me German whilst I was doing CI.
If you asked me, I think CI becomes incredibly valuable after learning the basics of grammar and learning about 1000-2000 of the most common words in your target language.
I'm learning the language of love with your mom
Anonymous :
9 days ago :
No.6733
>>6739
>>6733
Who is counting?
>>6742>>6733
I think it's fun and enjoyable to learn another language, but I do think the gymnastics regarding mixmaxxing lang learning are silly. When I studied in Italy briefly, my pace at learning Italian was much, much faster than any other I've tried. But I guess that is obvious and lang learning assumes you don't have spatial immersion.
>>6758>>6733
that is immersion no? hearing the language all time so much so your thoughts end up being in the language
Learning languages is futile without immersion. Sitting online and shoving content slop in your ears for hours on end doesn't count even if it's in ~another language~
Anonymous :
9 days ago :
No.6739
>>6740
>>6739
I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt, assuming he meant to say that you should concentrate on the language whilst consuming TL content.
>>6733
Learning languages is futile without immersion. Sitting online and shoving content slop in your ears for hours on end doesn't count even if it's in ~another language~
Who is counting?
Learning another language is a major mistake. The brain only has room for one human tongue. By trying to push the limits, you will lose words in your original language. No thanks.
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>>6733
Learning languages is futile without immersion. Sitting online and shoving content slop in your ears for hours on end doesn't count even if it's in ~another language~
I think it's fun and enjoyable to learn another language, but I do think the gymnastics regarding mixmaxxing lang learning are silly. When I studied in Italy briefly, my pace at learning Italian was much, much faster than any other I've tried. But I guess that is obvious and lang learning assumes you don't have spatial immersion.
Anonymous :
7 days ago :
No.6758
>>6761
>>6758
>hearing the language all time so much so your thoughts end up being in the language
Okay, I will simplify it for the folks in here:
I watched 7 hours of programming videos, but I did not open a code editor or write a line of code. Am I a programmer?
I watched 7 hours of bodyweight training videos, but I did not stand up or move my body around in my room. Am I a fitness instructor?
I watched 7 hours of cooking videos, but I did not buy any ingredients or go to my kitchen. Am I a cook?
Do you understand it now? "Language learning" is not a passive activity. It's not a philosophical musing you think about and discard at the end of the day. Languages are used to communicate between humans. To learn them, you must communicate with someone.
An American line cook who banters with his Latino coworkers by saying "hola maricon" at the beginning of each shift is better at Spanish than 1000 nerds who sat in front of their computer all day and scrolled social media/played video games while Spanish noise wafted in the background.
>>6733
Learning languages is futile without immersion. Sitting online and shoving content slop in your ears for hours on end doesn't count even if it's in ~another language~
that is immersion no? hearing the language all time so much so your thoughts end up being in the language
Anonymous :
7 days ago :
No.6761
>>6762
>>6761
>Pseudo intellectual babble without any understanding of language
>>6783>>6761
you still picked up something in those 7 hrs
ever heard of the expression 'lurk moar' or 'lurk first' thats what it is
>>6758
>>6733
that is immersion no? hearing the language all time so much so your thoughts end up being in the language
>hearing the language all time so much so your thoughts end up being in the language
Okay, I will simplify it for the folks in here:
I watched 7 hours of programming videos, but I did not open a code editor or write a line of code. Am I a programmer?
I watched 7 hours of bodyweight training videos, but I did not stand up or move my body around in my room. Am I a fitness instructor?
I watched 7 hours of cooking videos, but I did not buy any ingredients or go to my kitchen. Am I a cook?
Do you understand it now? "Language learning" is not a passive activity. It's not a philosophical musing you think about and discard at the end of the day. Languages are used to communicate between humans. To learn them, you must communicate with someone.
An American line cook who banters with his Latino coworkers by saying "hola maricon" at the beginning of each shift is better at Spanish than 1000 nerds who sat in front of their computer all day and scrolled social media/played video games while Spanish noise wafted in the background.
>>6761
>>6758
>hearing the language all time so much so your thoughts end up being in the language
Okay, I will simplify it for the folks in here:
I watched 7 hours of programming videos, but I did not open a code editor or write a line of code. Am I a programmer?
I watched 7 hours of bodyweight training videos, but I did not stand up or move my body around in my room. Am I a fitness instructor?
I watched 7 hours of cooking videos, but I did not buy any ingredients or go to my kitchen. Am I a cook?
Do you understand it now? "Language learning" is not a passive activity. It's not a philosophical musing you think about and discard at the end of the day. Languages are used to communicate between humans. To learn them, you must communicate with someone.
An American line cook who banters with his Latino coworkers by saying "hola maricon" at the beginning of each shift is better at Spanish than 1000 nerds who sat in front of their computer all day and scrolled social media/played video games while Spanish noise wafted in the background.
>Pseudo intellectual babble without any understanding of language
Anonymous :
7 days ago :
No.6768
>>6771
>>6768
Because you clearly don't understand how language functions. Language is made up of two parts, input and output. Input is essentially listening to a language and trying to understand it. Output is communication. You can only output as much as you can input. But I guess I should just do duolingo and I'll become a language expert by your logic.
I guess I should take it as a compliment that even my most dumbed-down and itemized explanations still strike retards as "pseudo-intellectual"
Anonymous :
7 days ago :
No.6771
>>6774
>>6771
How did you take away that I'm a duolingo pusher? I'm drawing a comparison between one-sided digital content consumption and real-life interaction with other human beings.
You just skimmed over my reply and thought you'd argue with the enemy you want to argue against, lol.
In fact, you are actually the one that is being "pseudo-intellectual" by replying on cheap simplifications such as comparing people to analog signal jacks. It is pseudo-scientific and pointlessly reductionist, a watered down facsimile-of-a-fascimilie of what neuroscience describes as brain function. Something you learned by osmosis from hanging around the Roman ruins of former intellectual spaces online, and have never sat down to examine. We don't exist as floating quantitative values to be filled. Quality input matters more than literally how many hours you tallied like a counter.
It is so fucking stupidly obvious that even being a passive, mute audience member to a real-life conversation between other people is light years away from binge-consuming online content by yourself at home or in your stupid bluetooth earbuds. Come on!
>>6768
I guess I should take it as a compliment that even my most dumbed-down and itemized explanations still strike retards as "pseudo-intellectual"
Because you clearly don't understand how language functions. Language is made up of two parts, input and output. Input is essentially listening to a language and trying to understand it. Output is communication. You can only output as much as you can input. But I guess I should just do duolingo and I'll become a language expert by your logic.
Anonymous :
7 days ago :
No.6774
>>6780
>>6774
Blud doesn't even know what Anki is :wilted_flower: This gotta be ragebait :sob:
>>6771
>>6768
Because you clearly don't understand how language functions. Language is made up of two parts, input and output. Input is essentially listening to a language and trying to understand it. Output is communication. You can only output as much as you can input. But I guess I should just do duolingo and I'll become a language expert by your logic.
How did you take away that I'm a duolingo pusher? I'm drawing a comparison between one-sided digital content consumption and real-life interaction with other human beings.
You just skimmed over my reply and thought you'd argue with the enemy you want to argue against, lol.
In fact, you are actually the one that is being "pseudo-intellectual" by replying on cheap simplifications such as comparing people to analog signal jacks. It is pseudo-scientific and pointlessly reductionist, a watered down facsimile-of-a-fascimilie of what neuroscience describes as brain function. Something you learned by osmosis from hanging around the Roman ruins of former intellectual spaces online, and have never sat down to examine. We don't exist as floating quantitative values to be filled. Quality input matters more than literally how many hours you tallied like a counter.
It is so fucking stupidly obvious that even being a passive, mute audience member to a real-life conversation between other people is light years away from binge-consuming online content by yourself at home or in your stupid bluetooth earbuds. Come on!
>>6774
>>6771
How did you take away that I'm a duolingo pusher? I'm drawing a comparison between one-sided digital content consumption and real-life interaction with other human beings.
You just skimmed over my reply and thought you'd argue with the enemy you want to argue against, lol.
In fact, you are actually the one that is being "pseudo-intellectual" by replying on cheap simplifications such as comparing people to analog signal jacks. It is pseudo-scientific and pointlessly reductionist, a watered down facsimile-of-a-fascimilie of what neuroscience describes as brain function. Something you learned by osmosis from hanging around the Roman ruins of former intellectual spaces online, and have never sat down to examine. We don't exist as floating quantitative values to be filled. Quality input matters more than literally how many hours you tallied like a counter.
It is so fucking stupidly obvious that even being a passive, mute audience member to a real-life conversation between other people is light years away from binge-consuming online content by yourself at home or in your stupid bluetooth earbuds. Come on!
Blud doesn't even know what Anki is :wilted_flower: This gotta be ragebait :sob:
>>6761
>>6758
>hearing the language all time so much so your thoughts end up being in the language
Okay, I will simplify it for the folks in here:
I watched 7 hours of programming videos, but I did not open a code editor or write a line of code. Am I a programmer?
I watched 7 hours of bodyweight training videos, but I did not stand up or move my body around in my room. Am I a fitness instructor?
I watched 7 hours of cooking videos, but I did not buy any ingredients or go to my kitchen. Am I a cook?
Do you understand it now? "Language learning" is not a passive activity. It's not a philosophical musing you think about and discard at the end of the day. Languages are used to communicate between humans. To learn them, you must communicate with someone.
An American line cook who banters with his Latino coworkers by saying "hola maricon" at the beginning of each shift is better at Spanish than 1000 nerds who sat in front of their computer all day and scrolled social media/played video games while Spanish noise wafted in the background.
you still picked up something in those 7 hrs
ever heard of the expression 'lurk moar' or 'lurk first' thats what it is
Anonymous :
5 days ago :
No.6825
>>6826
>>6825
that is cool anon. where do you live that there are tamil speakers that you can converse with? or do you intend to use the internet?
I'm learning Tamil, which is challenging because of how sparse English-language resources are for it. Having a native-speaking tutor has helper a lot. There's a huge disparity between written (strict, linguistically conservative) and spoken Tamil (loose, lots of loanwords) which adds to the challenge, since I'm mostly interested in speaking Tamil, for which there are even less resources
It sounds/looks really pretty tho and I think I'm making good progress
>>6825
I'm learning Tamil, which is challenging because of how sparse English-language resources are for it. Having a native-speaking tutor has helper a lot. There's a huge disparity between written (strict, linguistically conservative) and spoken Tamil (loose, lots of loanwords) which adds to the challenge, since I'm mostly interested in speaking Tamil, for which there are even less resources
It sounds/looks really pretty tho and I think I'm making good progress
that is cool anon. where do you live that there are tamil speakers that you can converse with? or do you intend to use the internet?
I have to learn a second language as part of our liberal arts program, and didn't have the opportunity to learn anything in HS so that I could test out (thank you Midwestern parochial school). I picked ancient Greek because it's the highest status language, but my hearts not into it. Apparently most students are able to rest out of the language requirement, which seems like the optimal path, given that I'll have to spend at least 20 credits just on this language, and for no real practical gain outside of cultural continuation. idk
I'm learning Greek with Language Transfer. It's awesome
Anonymous :
2 days ago :
No.7003
>>7005
>>7003
I get the sense that this was what all those old timey aristocrats were doing when they learnt french, Italian, latin, and Greek.
I mostly learn languages to read books in the text. I hardly reach fluency, so I end up reading bilingual books and relying on my mother tongue when I can't decipher the text. This way, I get a feel of the original poetry.
>>7003
I mostly learn languages to read books in the text. I hardly reach fluency, so I end up reading bilingual books and relying on my mother tongue when I can't decipher the text. This way, I get a feel of the original poetry.
I get the sense that this was what all those old timey aristocrats were doing when they learnt french, Italian, latin, and Greek.
Anonymous :
1 day ago :
No.7018
>>7019
>>7018 (You)
Forgot to mention, if you are a very sensitive person though foreign language books are one of the best things you'll ever experience. Like, Yasunari Kawabata in japanese has a vibe that Yasunari Kawabata in english does not, and the vibe this book has is something you can't get in the english world, it does not exist here. It's hard to accept this book is only 100 years old because mentally it feels like a totally different reality from our own.
I studied japanese on and off for years, and got good enough to do voice chats with a japanese friend for hours. Gave it up though. I guess mainly because you have to be a very sensitive person to really enjoy language. If you're a cold, robotic, overly-logical asshole then languages aren't rewarding because the true pleasure of language learning is picking up on subtle vibes the foreign language has that yours does not. With japanese books the vibe is a kind of general fatality that hangs over everything. Not in the greek fashion with people openly challenging fate and getting rocked for it but moreso that because you recognize there's an infinite sea of life forces or wills acting across the entire universe (pantheism) you realize your own individual will is nothing by comparison and the universe could swallow you up at any time and it's just an acceptance of that. I feel like the visual novel Swan Song captured this well.
>>7018
I studied japanese on and off for years, and got good enough to do voice chats with a japanese friend for hours. Gave it up though. I guess mainly because you have to be a very sensitive person to really enjoy language. If you're a cold, robotic, overly-logical asshole then languages aren't rewarding because the true pleasure of language learning is picking up on subtle vibes the foreign language has that yours does not. With japanese books the vibe is a kind of general fatality that hangs over everything. Not in the greek fashion with people openly challenging fate and getting rocked for it but moreso that because you recognize there's an infinite sea of life forces or wills acting across the entire universe (pantheism) you realize your own individual will is nothing by comparison and the universe could swallow you up at any time and it's just an acceptance of that. I feel like the visual novel Swan Song captured this well.
(You)
Forgot to mention, if you are a very sensitive person though foreign language books are one of the best things you'll ever experience. Like, Yasunari Kawabata in japanese has a vibe that Yasunari Kawabata in english does not, and the vibe this book has is something you can't get in the english world, it does not exist here. It's hard to accept this book is only 100 years old because mentally it feels like a totally different reality from our own.