Have you accepted him into your life, anons? Why or why not?
Anonymous :
25 days ago :
No.6172
>>6176
>>6172
I am OP and I agree with you, I think. Nu atheism and trad LARP are both angst against different breeds of parents. I don't have an agenda, it was just a question.
So, anyway, have you?
The return to pushing "classical" Christianity without context of the 20th century reads to me like it came from the same cringe rebellious thread that the so lamented new age atheists were born and maligned of.
Anonymous :
25 days ago :
No.6176
>>6227
>>6176
I think it can be LARP (see: epic ultramontane Jansenist Marcionite tradcath Twitter populated by homosexual 19 year olds) or it can come from a genuine conversion, or at least desire for one.
>>6172
The return to pushing "classical" Christianity without context of the 20th century reads to me like it came from the same cringe rebellious thread that the so lamented new age atheists were born and maligned of.
I am OP and I agree with you, I think. Nu atheism and trad LARP are both angst against different breeds of parents. I don't have an agenda, it was just a question.
So, anyway, have you?
Anonymous :
25 days ago :
No.6177
>>6191
>>6177
You are going to Hell.
>>6209 >>6231>>6177
>empirically
Please do not do to this word what normies did to "ontologically"
>>6235>>6177
>If that sounds like missing the point of Catholicism to you dipshit tradcath larpers, empirically it isn't if that's how most cultural Catholics in the world act, and anyway, it's more like I'm purposefully avoiding the point.
"Empirical Christianity" is such a funny concept. It is probably the best justification for protestantism one can imagine.
>>6231
He used it correctly though.
95% of people using "ontologically" think it just means "really".
No, nor will I. I appreciate being nominally Catholic because important milestones in my and my family's lives get marked with some ceremony and sanctity. I'm not going to torture myself with rules I disagree with beyond that.
(If that sounds like missing the point of Catholicism to you dipshit tradcath larpers, empirically it isn't if that's how most cultural Catholics in the world act, and anyway, it's more like I'm purposefully avoiding the point.)
I'm ambivalent-to-positive about Jesus, but I really do despise the rapey-sounding "have you invited him in" phrasing that American Christians use so much.
>>6177
No, nor will I. I appreciate being nominally Catholic because important milestones in my and my family's lives get marked with some ceremony and sanctity. I'm not going to torture myself with rules I disagree with beyond that.
(If that sounds like missing the point of Catholicism to you dipshit tradcath larpers, empirically it isn't if that's how most cultural Catholics in the world act, and anyway, it's more like I'm purposefully avoiding the point.)
You are going to Hell.
>>6177
No, nor will I. I appreciate being nominally Catholic because important milestones in my and my family's lives get marked with some ceremony and sanctity. I'm not going to torture myself with rules I disagree with beyond that.
(If that sounds like missing the point of Catholicism to you dipshit tradcath larpers, empirically it isn't if that's how most cultural Catholics in the world act, and anyway, it's more like I'm purposefully avoiding the point.)
What rules do you disagree with?
>>6180No, I haven't. Not principally against it per se, but I think my life would have to take some bizarre turns before it would seem like a good idea.
What do you mean by you are not principally against it, but it does not seem like a good idea?
>>6176
>>6172
I am OP and I agree with you, I think. Nu atheism and trad LARP are both angst against different breeds of parents. I don't have an agenda, it was just a question.
So, anyway, have you?
I think it can be LARP (see: epic ultramontane Jansenist Marcionite tradcath Twitter populated by homosexual 19 year olds) or it can come from a genuine conversion, or at least desire for one.
Anonymous :
23 days ago :
No.6231
>>6235
>>6177
>If that sounds like missing the point of Catholicism to you dipshit tradcath larpers, empirically it isn't if that's how most cultural Catholics in the world act, and anyway, it's more like I'm purposefully avoiding the point.
"Empirical Christianity" is such a funny concept. It is probably the best justification for protestantism one can imagine.
>>6231
He used it correctly though.
95% of people using "ontologically" think it just means "really".
>>6236>>6231
There is zero empirical evidence that points toward any higher-consciousness (that is, through your lens, your typical monotheistic deity-of-a-death-cult created by a desert tribe.
There is NO mandatory mediation between [whatever You define as You/"I"] and divinity/spirituality that REQUIRES a Judeo-Christian conception of "God".
>>6177
No, nor will I. I appreciate being nominally Catholic because important milestones in my and my family's lives get marked with some ceremony and sanctity. I'm not going to torture myself with rules I disagree with beyond that.
(If that sounds like missing the point of Catholicism to you dipshit tradcath larpers, empirically it isn't if that's how most cultural Catholics in the world act, and anyway, it's more like I'm purposefully avoiding the point.)
>empirically
Please do not do to this word what normies did to "ontologically"
Anonymous :
23 days ago :
No.6235
>>6264
>>6235
Is 'empirical christianity' a funny concept or is it just being a lower-case c conservative but more self-aware? Most people participate in the rituals of their culture without being perfectly intentional about all of their context and meaning, regardless of their religion. You can become born again and extra spiritual, or you can simply enjoy the social functions of your traditions but find your transcendence in something totally different that speaks to you personally.
>>6177
No, nor will I. I appreciate being nominally Catholic because important milestones in my and my family's lives get marked with some ceremony and sanctity. I'm not going to torture myself with rules I disagree with beyond that.
(If that sounds like missing the point of Catholicism to you dipshit tradcath larpers, empirically it isn't if that's how most cultural Catholics in the world act, and anyway, it's more like I'm purposefully avoiding the point.)
>If that sounds like missing the point of Catholicism to you dipshit tradcath larpers, empirically it isn't if that's how most cultural Catholics in the world act, and anyway, it's more like I'm purposefully avoiding the point.
"Empirical Christianity" is such a funny concept. It is probably the best justification for protestantism one can imagine.
>>6231>>6177
>empirically
Please do not do to this word what normies did to "ontologically"
He used it correctly though.
95% of people using "ontologically" think it just means "really".
Anonymous :
23 days ago :
No.6236
>>6240
>>6236
Creatio ex nilhio requires a God
Aquinas proves God's characteristics include intelligence and lovingness
Read more.
>>6231
>>6177
>empirically
Please do not do to this word what normies did to "ontologically"
There is zero empirical evidence that points toward any higher-consciousness (that is, through your lens, your typical monotheistic deity-of-a-death-cult created by a desert tribe.
There is NO mandatory mediation between [whatever You define as You/"I"] and divinity/spirituality that REQUIRES a Judeo-Christian conception of "God".
>>6236
>>6231
There is zero empirical evidence that points toward any higher-consciousness (that is, through your lens, your typical monotheistic deity-of-a-death-cult created by a desert tribe.
There is NO mandatory mediation between [whatever You define as You/"I"] and divinity/spirituality that REQUIRES a Judeo-Christian conception of "God".
Creatio ex nilhio requires a God
Aquinas proves God's characteristics include intelligence and lovingness
Read more.
>>6235
>>6177
>If that sounds like missing the point of Catholicism to you dipshit tradcath larpers, empirically it isn't if that's how most cultural Catholics in the world act, and anyway, it's more like I'm purposefully avoiding the point.
"Empirical Christianity" is such a funny concept. It is probably the best justification for protestantism one can imagine.
>>6231
He used it correctly though.
95% of people using "ontologically" think it just means "really".
Is 'empirical christianity' a funny concept or is it just being a lower-case c conservative but more self-aware? Most people participate in the rituals of their culture without being perfectly intentional about all of their context and meaning, regardless of their religion. You can become born again and extra spiritual, or you can simply enjoy the social functions of your traditions but find your transcendence in something totally different that speaks to you personally.
Anonymous :
20 days ago :
No.6274
>>6279
>>6274
Do you find the traditions comforting due to familiarity? Also, why an emphasis on a Christian funeral?
I've never really found spiritual stuff appealing so I don't think I'd ever become a full on Christian, but I do find Christian traditions comforting and I think I would like a Christian funeral when I die.
Anonymous :
19 days ago :
No.6279
>>6284
>>6279
>Do you find the traditions comforting due to familiarity?
Not necessarily, my family is culturally Catholic I suppose but growing up I never really went to church regularly, so you could say I had a fairly non-religious upbringing. It's more the fact that they're societal traditions and nothing else really, I like the continuity.
>Also, why an emphasis on a Christian funeral?
I don't expect to ever get married, but if I do, I wouldn't want a Christian wedding, just because there would be too many people there. Sounds a bit contradictory, I know, but that's just my honest view of things.
>>6274
I've never really found spiritual stuff appealing so I don't think I'd ever become a full on Christian, but I do find Christian traditions comforting and I think I would like a Christian funeral when I die.
Do you find the traditions comforting due to familiarity? Also, why an emphasis on a Christian funeral?
Anonymous :
19 days ago :
No.6280
>>6294
>>6280
Each successive generation will have to contend with religion and history one way or another. Pouting and ignoring the debate altogether doesn't make it go away nor does it erase religion (concepts, institutions, culture) as it has been up until today. Not all of us are content with being soulless NPC suburbanites; not all of us live in the decaying Empire.
The christian/catholic larp seems to me to be a kneejerk response to the post-tumblr, post-GG idpol left. In despising them they decided to throw out the baby with the bath water and construct for themselves the most opposite possible identity while also appealing to their own sense of nostalgia regarding the cultural West.
I don't blame them at all, though. The idpol left are disgusting, psy-opped hypocrites and the world really does seem bereft of both purpose and optimism for the future. It would be comforting to retreat into an identity online, have a photo of a medieval painting of a saint as your twitter profile pic, talk about reading the bible and Aquinas, imaging one day going to church. But larping really isn't the answer. "Just do things from back a long time ago" never really works for the problems of today.
You're in 2025. Even if you fully believe in the existence of the christian god with all your heart you'll always have a little niggling doubt. The background radiation that is the rest of the atheist world will always eat at you, and the reason is because you live a fully atheist life. The christian life, if truly lived, is completely incompatible with modern life. If you're posting on twitter, 4chan or, judeo-christian god help you, a 4chan offshoot, you're just pretending. You prove it every time you post. You've been duped and pigeonholed into this identity, and now you're duped into believing this modernized, watered down version of religion is in any way truly spiritual in nature.
Anonymous :
19 days ago :
No.6284
>>6292
>>6284
Do you want to be buried or burned (cremated)?
The traditional Christian view was not in favor of cremation.
>>6279
>>6274
Do you find the traditions comforting due to familiarity? Also, why an emphasis on a Christian funeral?
>Do you find the traditions comforting due to familiarity?
Not necessarily, my family is culturally Catholic I suppose but growing up I never really went to church regularly, so you could say I had a fairly non-religious upbringing. It's more the fact that they're societal traditions and nothing else really, I like the continuity.
>Also, why an emphasis on a Christian funeral?
I don't expect to ever get married, but if I do, I wouldn't want a Christian wedding, just because there would be too many people there. Sounds a bit contradictory, I know, but that's just my honest view of things.
>>6284
>>6279
>Do you find the traditions comforting due to familiarity?
Not necessarily, my family is culturally Catholic I suppose but growing up I never really went to church regularly, so you could say I had a fairly non-religious upbringing. It's more the fact that they're societal traditions and nothing else really, I like the continuity.
>Also, why an emphasis on a Christian funeral?
I don't expect to ever get married, but if I do, I wouldn't want a Christian wedding, just because there would be too many people there. Sounds a bit contradictory, I know, but that's just my honest view of things.
Do you want to be buried or burned (cremated)?
The traditional Christian view was not in favor of cremation.
>>6280
The christian/catholic larp seems to me to be a kneejerk response to the post-tumblr, post-GG idpol left. In despising them they decided to throw out the baby with the bath water and construct for themselves the most opposite possible identity while also appealing to their own sense of nostalgia regarding the cultural West.
I don't blame them at all, though. The idpol left are disgusting, psy-opped hypocrites and the world really does seem bereft of both purpose and optimism for the future. It would be comforting to retreat into an identity online, have a photo of a medieval painting of a saint as your twitter profile pic, talk about reading the bible and Aquinas, imaging one day going to church. But larping really isn't the answer. "Just do things from back a long time ago" never really works for the problems of today.
You're in 2025. Even if you fully believe in the existence of the christian god with all your heart you'll always have a little niggling doubt. The background radiation that is the rest of the atheist world will always eat at you, and the reason is because you live a fully atheist life. The christian life, if truly lived, is completely incompatible with modern life. If you're posting on twitter, 4chan or, judeo-christian god help you, a 4chan offshoot, you're just pretending. You prove it every time you post. You've been duped and pigeonholed into this identity, and now you're duped into believing this modernized, watered down version of religion is in any way truly spiritual in nature.
Each successive generation will have to contend with religion and history one way or another. Pouting and ignoring the debate altogether doesn't make it go away nor does it erase religion (concepts, institutions, culture) as it has been up until today. Not all of us are content with being soulless NPC suburbanites; not all of us live in the decaying Empire.
>6280
Nothing about Christian life is incompatible with modern society. There's nothing about modern society that stops you from introducing love each and every day into your life. Posting on 4chan isn't precluded from Christianity.
People have a really weird idea of what it means to be Christian, or how to live as a Christian, as if being a Christian means living like an orthodox priest from 800 years ago. Christianity outlines a set of ideals one should strive to live by which have outlasted any particular society because they are so universal: treat others they way you want to be treated, forgive others because you also do bad or dumb things, don't live life as if you are a lawyer, don't do good things to just to seen doing good things, etc.
>>6962
I just cannot accept Jesus as a divine figure, son-of-God, THE person to accept in your life to achieve spiritual fulfillment. To me, Jesus is just another prophet/spiritual leader like Abraham, Buddha, Lao Tzu, Muhammad, Luther, St. Francis, Zoroaster, etc. There's no reason, other than cultural exposure, for me to see Jesus as divine compared to all these others.
Anonymous :
16 days ago :
No.6343
>>6348
>>6343
It was never cool but it was the culture of the internet before iPhone and Facebook. As one who grew up agnostic in a mostly nonreligious house, it wasn't a big deal. As one whose early adulthood has consisted of watching many of those people who weren't religious nutjobs adopt modernity as a religion, often in either of the two popular cults of orange man worship or identity fetishism (even know a couple militant atheists who trooned), I think a really moderate amount of religion is good for people. And Buddhism is much preferred to Islam.
>>6350>>6343
Skepticism and debunking are very much solidified in the mainstream consciousness. What makes you think the world has de-secularized all of a sudden lol?
>>6353>>6343
People tend to become more religious, or at least more conservative, as they age, and the average imageboard user outside of 4chan is only getting older.
>>6362>>6343
Debunking still exists. It's just that we debunked atheism. Turns out all those haha moments like "God cares if you beat your dick" were based on real truths.
>>6379>>6343
s-sushigirl? what the fug is this? got a link? I've also seen mentions of some mythical conglomerate of altchans referred to as a "webring"; could any kind individual point me toward that?
There has been a strong upswing in all varieties of religiosity on imageboards (and online in general) in the last couple of years. And it isn't just Christianity; I've witnessed the formation of a Buddhist cult on Sushigirl. Honestly, it is a bit off-putting. I miss when skepticism and debunking were cool.
In this moment I am empirical
>>6343
There has been a strong upswing in all varieties of religiosity on imageboards (and online in general) in the last couple of years. And it isn't just Christianity; I've witnessed the formation of a Buddhist cult on Sushigirl. Honestly, it is a bit off-putting. I miss when skepticism and debunking were cool.
It was never cool but it was the culture of the internet before iPhone and Facebook. As one who grew up agnostic in a mostly nonreligious house, it wasn't a big deal. As one whose early adulthood has consisted of watching many of those people who weren't religious nutjobs adopt modernity as a religion, often in either of the two popular cults of orange man worship or identity fetishism (even know a couple militant atheists who trooned), I think a really moderate amount of religion is good for people. And Buddhism is much preferred to Islam.
>>6343
There has been a strong upswing in all varieties of religiosity on imageboards (and online in general) in the last couple of years. And it isn't just Christianity; I've witnessed the formation of a Buddhist cult on Sushigirl. Honestly, it is a bit off-putting. I miss when skepticism and debunking were cool.
Skepticism and debunking are very much solidified in the mainstream consciousness. What makes you think the world has de-secularized all of a sudden lol?
>>6343
There has been a strong upswing in all varieties of religiosity on imageboards (and online in general) in the last couple of years. And it isn't just Christianity; I've witnessed the formation of a Buddhist cult on Sushigirl. Honestly, it is a bit off-putting. I miss when skepticism and debunking were cool.
People tend to become more religious, or at least more conservative, as they age, and the average imageboard user outside of 4chan is only getting older.
>>6343
There has been a strong upswing in all varieties of religiosity on imageboards (and online in general) in the last couple of years. And it isn't just Christianity; I've witnessed the formation of a Buddhist cult on Sushigirl. Honestly, it is a bit off-putting. I miss when skepticism and debunking were cool.
Debunking still exists. It's just that we debunked atheism. Turns out all those haha moments like "God cares if you beat your dick" were based on real truths.
My favorite part of empiricism is when you get to debunk and secularize. Metaphysically speaking.
The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the human mind to correlate all its contents. We live on a placid island of ignorance in the midst of black seas of infinity, and it was not meant that we should voyage far. The sciences, each straining in its own direction, have hitherto harmed us little; but some day the piecing together of dissociated knowledge will open up such terrifying vistas of reality, and of our frightful position therein, that we shall either go mad from the revelation or flee from the light into the peace and safety of a new dark age.
>>6343
There has been a strong upswing in all varieties of religiosity on imageboards (and online in general) in the last couple of years. And it isn't just Christianity; I've witnessed the formation of a Buddhist cult on Sushigirl. Honestly, it is a bit off-putting. I miss when skepticism and debunking were cool.
s-sushigirl? what the fug is this? got a link? I've also seen mentions of some mythical conglomerate of altchans referred to as a "webring"; could any kind individual point me toward that?