everything is moving too quickly. The transformation has gotten so obvious that Even on normie sites they have to admit that half of internet traffic is bots. everyone has been made aware of the dead internet theory, and thus created the paralysis of lame hollow discussion and ridiculous dichotomies of singularity level or nothingburger AI. It doesn't seems we cant react to monsterous change with the vitality and human-ness as we once did. consensus is like gold these days but I think we can all agree that everything is becoming more and more weird. ITT we try to make sense of this weirdness by trying to take a step back and search for some insights in this mess. Has the amount of AI sloptent increased during your daily scroll? Are the comments you read getting more and more incoherent? Can you spot AI like a voight kompff or have you been fooled more often than you woudl like to admit? How crazy are you getting? LET YOUR CRIES HOPES CONCERNS LOOSE AND SHARE SOME OF YOUR EXPERIENCES AND OBSERVATIONS DURING THIS REAL WEIRD TRANSFOR-INFORMATION.
The only social media I use is instagram which I use to keep up with a niche sport that I'm into never see any Ai stuff but saying that I only look at my feed and storys never the explore page or suggested posts
The only social media I use is 4chan, Wired-7 and Petrarchan. In this regard, there are two ways AI makes its appeareance for me: either it's blatantly obvious (its use here may be intended to be noticed), or it is coveted enough to make me not feel 100% sure about its AI origins: I jsut feel a "weird feeling".
IRL:
I'm a college student. Since I began my studies, I have had to participate in group projects. Most often than not, someone uses AI, usually in a very obvious way. People who during classes can't write a proper paragraph end up writing a 10/10 contribution to the work, for example. Of course, people may write better at home, but in general their usage is obvious to me, although I prefer not complaining about it.
This year I had to take a writing workshop, and the weird thing is that the teacher apparently was using AI (he showed us examples to guide our writing). I kek'd hard at first, but then I felt uneasy about it.
Lastly, googling things is annoying. I swear if I click on a link at random there's a high probability of it being AI (excessive amount of subtitles, consisting of one or two short paragraphs; verbosity and redundacy, etc.). It doesn't matter if what I'm looking for is a recipe or instructions to use certain software.
Oh! This is my experience, of course.From time to time I hear what my brothers watch on their phones, and it's 90% of the time AI-slop. Artificial voices, images, scripts, etc. There's not a shed o human-ness in those videos.
I suppose some may benefit from their usage. However, my opinion is that since the beginning of the AI "boom" everything is worse.
I think it's undeniable we breached some sort of AI threshold and the rate at which it can more successfully replicate (or resemble, more accurately) human created works is exponentially increasing. Will it ever be able to create something which is indistinguishable from a human masterpiece? Probably not, due to a computer being unable to breach human defined parameters and being inherently limited by the data fed into the model.
When the photorealistic AI imagery came on the scene, I'll admit to being fooled once. But once you understand the pattern, there are obvious tells which distinguish them. I think maybe the more interesting thing, more than the realism and ability of AI, is the way that we are now able to "offshore" a more significant portion of traditionally human labor onto a machine. I mean, the conjuring aspect of AI is really not that different than photoshop or rendering, except insofar as a machine is totally doing it all and in a fraction of the time as a human.
It's very much a spectacle, an illusion, but one that is being bought into full sail. I cannot tell what the ramifications will be yet, if it will just be a toy, or another machine that leads to the demise of labor.
Right now though, the widespread naming of AI made content as "slop" is accurate, as it is mostly a bucket of feed for the masses who either cannot tell or don't care to tell if it is AI.
How long until AI can write bioweapon code?
What the fuck is "bioweapon code"
Anonymous :
281 days ago :
No.6624
>>6639
>>6624
I don't know what you mean, because there was no question, but if you are implying I am too online with your picrel then yes, obviously.
>>6586
i feel like AI is making me a bit schizo these days. i see a lot of things and think, was that real or fake, even though there's no way it was anything except real.
We already know the answer.
I don't know if you're familiar with the idea that we often get trapped by virtue rather than vice, but I think it applies to AI.
Yes, some use it to cheat or trump, but the danger is the trust that it asks from the user. You have to talk to it like a person, so you extend it a lot of privileges usually reserved for humans. Once I use it, I trust it, and that's the issue because it always lies.
More and more, it feels like a pact with the Devil. You can get any information you want instantly, but you will never know if it is true, and everyone will forget it can be wrong.
(I guess I could talk to it like a machine, but it is made to emulate another human and I don't want to learn how to dehumanize something that acts like a human; it would just be another way to dehumanize myself.)
Stolen from r/redscarepod... This image provides me a strange sense of comfort against the obvious impending doom of AI taking over human faculty for thought and action. Even its most avid users would rather do nothing than have to do something, even if that something is made easier with LLM. It's just a tool kids at school use to bypass all the stupid busywork that's thrown at them that they know is all crap anyway. The more they associate it with this sort of fake busywork the less extreme they'll come to absorb it in their personal or social life.
Anonymous :
267 days ago :
No.7004
>>7016
>>7004
The dotcom bubble was indicative of financial speculation and its inability to use technological growth as a way to print money, not that the Internet was overblown. There is no way to diminish the effect the Internet has had on the psyche. I don't think I am an AI doomer, nor a worshipper, but it's not crazy to think that it will rapidly increase its feasibility in a short amount of time. And both the Internet and AI are the same thing at their core: information organizing devices. AI has the benefit of being sort of self contained, whereas the Internet is human to human.
Probably though the most amount of AI's impact will be from its perceived value or risk.
This feels more and more like the dotcom bubble.
Yes, it is useful and it will change things, like the Internet did, but there is a lot of overpromising, and unreal expectations fueled by the market euphoria.
I've been receiving a daily resume of IA news and new tools. The tone is epic, there are revolutions every day yada yada. They recently decided to publish testimonies from actual users, and the discrepancy between the two is pretty massive.
Honestly? Kinda relatable. Them tuning the LLM to have hyperperfectionist anxieties is rather endearing. Whomst among us hasn't wanted to jump out a window after a minor mistake?
>>7004
This feels more and more like the dotcom bubble.
Yes, it is useful and it will change things, like the Internet did, but there is a lot of overpromising, and unreal expectations fueled by the market euphoria.
I've been receiving a daily resume of IA news and new tools. The tone is epic, there are revolutions every day yada yada. They recently decided to publish testimonies from actual users, and the discrepancy between the two is pretty massive.
The dotcom bubble was indicative of financial speculation and its inability to use technological growth as a way to print money, not that the Internet was overblown. There is no way to diminish the effect the Internet has had on the psyche. I don't think I am an AI doomer, nor a worshipper, but it's not crazy to think that it will rapidly increase its feasibility in a short amount of time. And both the Internet and AI are the same thing at their core: information organizing devices. AI has the benefit of being sort of self contained, whereas the Internet is human to human.
Probably though the most amount of AI's impact will be from its perceived value or risk.
The biggest impact of AI (as it exists) will be the death of the take-home essay. Schools are really running out of homework options, there will have to be a fallback on testing. Parents will be mad that their conscientious-but-dumb kids get Cs now. This adjustment will take up to a 10 years, and the decade of mass learning loss will be visible on charts forever.
Web developers can output a lot more feasible, bloated features per day (I hesitate to call it "slop" because the status quo was just as bad). More serious programmers will find limited usage from code generators, mostly relying on it for autocomplete and utility functions.
Using AI for emails, image generation will continue to be declassee and may become widely understood as a status identifier.
The anti-AI movement will become a punchline, synonymous with tilting at windmills.
When it becomes clear that AGI is not on the horizon there will be a miniature dotcom crash. Leaked email from Sam Altman or something.
Regular people will continue to find it occasionally useful in their personal lives. Specialized applications will prove useful to some office jobs.
Maybe in 20 years they find a breakthrough towards AGI and you'd have some serious impacts on the job market. Probably not.
Anonymous :
266 days ago :
No.7021
>>7031
>>7021
About a decade ago I came across the idea of competitive and complementary cognitive artifacts. Basically, some things like calculators plainly replace a cognitive ability in humans and when taken away we are worse for it. Others, like an abacus, increase cognitive capacity. When you learn how to use it, you both become more efficient at basic calculation and you can achieve roughly the same result when it is taken away by imagining an abacus. A map is another example of the complementary one. If I show you one, you can memorize a region's territory to some extent even if I take it away a moment later. A voice activated GPS with no map screen, on the other hand, would be competing with your brain's development of directional skills. If you spend your life navigating that way, the moment it's taken away you have no ability to navigate.
All this to say, LLMs are like 90 million competitive cognitive artifacts in one. Every aspect of human thinking that involves language, it's competing against to some extent. We are fundamentally changing the cognitive horizons of human experience and I genuinely think that the advent of widespread literacy and the invention of spoken language in general were the only two points in human history that were comparable.
While I am deeply sceptical of AGI, it does seem that current AIs could be more deeply integrated into our lives than they are now, and this is something which concerns me. Reflecting on society's loss of reading skills earlier (after reading https://kittenbeloved.substack.com/p/college-english-majors-cant-read), it struck me that we could just as easily hand off many menial tasks to LLMs, which could enfeeble us. The ancient Greeks identified that literacy was reducing young people's ability to memorise texts (true, but certainly worth it). What about AI? What about losing the ability to write simple letters and handing that off to the AI? What is being gained here? Already young people just call the AI 'Chat': let me ask Chat this, let me ask Chat that. Why not stop and think? If you have to ask Chat, you are introducing at least 5 seconds of latency in whatever you are doing. And Chat is fucking stupid too.
Anonymous :
266 days ago :
No.7031
>>7034
>>7031
Nice distinction. In the end AI is competing against everything involved in live exchange between humans. So it will enhance any long distance and/or asynchronous exchange, but it won't measure up with good old interaction (which will probably become rarer anyway).
>>7071
The only homework left is public presentation (with no notes), but it requires so much time that it is already a rarity.
>>7035>>7031
This is interesting.
One little-discussed point Popper makes in his 'Open Society and Its Enemies' is that the maximally open society would lack all face-to-face interaction. He seems uncertain about this, as he's obviously in favour of the open society.
I'm reminded of the Zizek joke about the couple who plug in her robotic dildo into his Fleshlight and let that contraption have the sex for them, and then, their guilt gone, they can sit and have a good talk
>>7036>>7031
Skill issue on the part of 80% of humanity. They let themselves get taken advantage by elements in their environment instead of being the master of those elements around them. Knowing your way around a computer in current year is starting to be like being part of a wholly separate race. I am almost done being social justice about it. Good luck with your fried brains, normies
>>8004>>7031
I really like this concept. Complementary artefacts are sorely missing. If we look at LLMs from this same media ecology type of lens we'll find we just offload critical thinking, reasoning, research, curiosity, etc. all into this constrained structure capable of producing very plausible-sounding and pleasing notions.
AI is a medium, and it's fine-tuned by engineers/mods to be "safe" and have a certain voice and aligned with "certain facts" and this will insidiously infect the way we think. AI is also entertainment, it's amusing watching the digital parrot sycophantically address our every whim.
I fantasise about living a life away from screens, working with my hands, reading physical books, playing instruments, making art by hand and so on. My current circumstances prohibit this, and for most wagies this is not easily achievable.
Hank Green posted some video about the length of Jesus hair as a question proving how difficult it is to research things these days. Google is broken, one must go to real libraries if they exist near you.
Even without AI, us extremely online people are already subject to the way X or instagram or whatever shapes our cognition, little different to the TV addicts of the 20th Century. With social media people stopped being themselves, the unique and quirky characters became toned down versions of themselves.
I'm already lamenting the loss of the age of hard-won discoveries and inventions. People like the path of least resistance or effort. We're like those animals that enjoy being on moving vehicles, whether cars, skateboards or golf carts, little energy needed.
I can't even say anything new about the topic, everything's been said.
>>7021
While I am deeply sceptical of AGI, it does seem that current AIs could be more deeply integrated into our lives than they are now, and this is something which concerns me. Reflecting on society's loss of reading skills earlier (after reading https://kittenbeloved.substack.com/p/college-english-majors-cant-read), it struck me that we could just as easily hand off many menial tasks to LLMs, which could enfeeble us. The ancient Greeks identified that literacy was reducing young people's ability to memorise texts (true, but certainly worth it). What about AI? What about losing the ability to write simple letters and handing that off to the AI? What is being gained here? Already young people just call the AI 'Chat': let me ask Chat this, let me ask Chat that. Why not stop and think? If you have to ask Chat, you are introducing at least 5 seconds of latency in whatever you are doing. And Chat is fucking stupid too.
About a decade ago I came across the idea of competitive and complementary cognitive artifacts. Basically, some things like calculators plainly replace a cognitive ability in humans and when taken away we are worse for it. Others, like an abacus, increase cognitive capacity. When you learn how to use it, you both become more efficient at basic calculation and you can achieve roughly the same result when it is taken away by imagining an abacus. A map is another example of the complementary one. If I show you one, you can memorize a region's territory to some extent even if I take it away a moment later. A voice activated GPS with no map screen, on the other hand, would be competing with your brain's development of directional skills. If you spend your life navigating that way, the moment it's taken away you have no ability to navigate.
All this to say, LLMs are like 90 million competitive cognitive artifacts in one. Every aspect of human thinking that involves language, it's competing against to some extent. We are fundamentally changing the cognitive horizons of human experience and I genuinely think that the advent of widespread literacy and the invention of spoken language in general were the only two points in human history that were comparable.
>>7031
>>7021
About a decade ago I came across the idea of competitive and complementary cognitive artifacts. Basically, some things like calculators plainly replace a cognitive ability in humans and when taken away we are worse for it. Others, like an abacus, increase cognitive capacity. When you learn how to use it, you both become more efficient at basic calculation and you can achieve roughly the same result when it is taken away by imagining an abacus. A map is another example of the complementary one. If I show you one, you can memorize a region's territory to some extent even if I take it away a moment later. A voice activated GPS with no map screen, on the other hand, would be competing with your brain's development of directional skills. If you spend your life navigating that way, the moment it's taken away you have no ability to navigate.
All this to say, LLMs are like 90 million competitive cognitive artifacts in one. Every aspect of human thinking that involves language, it's competing against to some extent. We are fundamentally changing the cognitive horizons of human experience and I genuinely think that the advent of widespread literacy and the invention of spoken language in general were the only two points in human history that were comparable.
Nice distinction. In the end AI is competing against everything involved in live exchange between humans. So it will enhance any long distance and/or asynchronous exchange, but it won't measure up with good old interaction (which will probably become rarer anyway).
>>7071
The only homework left is public presentation (with no notes), but it requires so much time that it is already a rarity.
>>7031
>>7021
About a decade ago I came across the idea of competitive and complementary cognitive artifacts. Basically, some things like calculators plainly replace a cognitive ability in humans and when taken away we are worse for it. Others, like an abacus, increase cognitive capacity. When you learn how to use it, you both become more efficient at basic calculation and you can achieve roughly the same result when it is taken away by imagining an abacus. A map is another example of the complementary one. If I show you one, you can memorize a region's territory to some extent even if I take it away a moment later. A voice activated GPS with no map screen, on the other hand, would be competing with your brain's development of directional skills. If you spend your life navigating that way, the moment it's taken away you have no ability to navigate.
All this to say, LLMs are like 90 million competitive cognitive artifacts in one. Every aspect of human thinking that involves language, it's competing against to some extent. We are fundamentally changing the cognitive horizons of human experience and I genuinely think that the advent of widespread literacy and the invention of spoken language in general were the only two points in human history that were comparable.
This is interesting.
One little-discussed point Popper makes in his 'Open Society and Its Enemies' is that the maximally open society would lack all face-to-face interaction. He seems uncertain about this, as he's obviously in favour of the open society.
I'm reminded of the Zizek joke about the couple who plug in her robotic dildo into his Fleshlight and let that contraption have the sex for them, and then, their guilt gone, they can sit and have a good talk
>>7031
>>7021
About a decade ago I came across the idea of competitive and complementary cognitive artifacts. Basically, some things like calculators plainly replace a cognitive ability in humans and when taken away we are worse for it. Others, like an abacus, increase cognitive capacity. When you learn how to use it, you both become more efficient at basic calculation and you can achieve roughly the same result when it is taken away by imagining an abacus. A map is another example of the complementary one. If I show you one, you can memorize a region's territory to some extent even if I take it away a moment later. A voice activated GPS with no map screen, on the other hand, would be competing with your brain's development of directional skills. If you spend your life navigating that way, the moment it's taken away you have no ability to navigate.
All this to say, LLMs are like 90 million competitive cognitive artifacts in one. Every aspect of human thinking that involves language, it's competing against to some extent. We are fundamentally changing the cognitive horizons of human experience and I genuinely think that the advent of widespread literacy and the invention of spoken language in general were the only two points in human history that were comparable.
Skill issue on the part of 80% of humanity. They let themselves get taken advantage by elements in their environment instead of being the master of those elements around them. Knowing your way around a computer in current year is starting to be like being part of a wholly separate race. I am almost done being social justice about it. Good luck with your fried brains, normies
Anonymous :
262 days ago :
No.7152
>>7707
>>7152
it seems like google index is almost taken over by these primitive AI sites. try it yourself. look up anything(especially specific questions) and scroll a little and you will find an AI write up. crazy times
I now realise that what I can't find on the Internet nowadays, I ask the IA agent; but these are things I used to find, generally on obscure tutorial made by some geek - all those websites that diseappeared with time and/or under deplorable SEO cheats.
This is a second death of the old Internet.
Anonymous :
209 days ago :
No.7707
>>7708
>>7707
Even "site:www.reddit.com" is not a good solution anymore. Too many bots. I recently look up a company. Linkedin is no use, so I went through a hundred of messages about it on reddit (some of them were full conversations), all of them were postitive, with not a shade of criticism besides "This? Well eveyone does it in the sector". Bots bots bots
I end up using more and more my personnal Joplin (Notion-like stuff) as a source of information, meaning I tend to archive more and more raw information in there because there is no more on the Internet.
Next step is to better curate a personnal library so I can CTRL+F through it, and then save a Wikipedia copy from January 2023 to avoid AI production.
And of course, getting rid of the phone.
There is no more Internet, only screens that extract personnal raw data and deliver simulated information.
>>7152
I now realise that what I can't find on the Internet nowadays, I ask the IA agent; but these are things I used to find, generally on obscure tutorial made by some geek - all those websites that diseappeared with time and/or under deplorable SEO cheats.
This is a second death of the old Internet.
it seems like google index is almost taken over by these primitive AI sites. try it yourself. look up anything(especially specific questions) and scroll a little and you will find an AI write up. crazy times
>>7707
>>7152
it seems like google index is almost taken over by these primitive AI sites. try it yourself. look up anything(especially specific questions) and scroll a little and you will find an AI write up. crazy times
Even "site:www.reddit.com" is not a good solution anymore. Too many bots. I recently look up a company. Linkedin is no use, so I went through a hundred of messages about it on reddit (some of them were full conversations), all of them were postitive, with not a shade of criticism besides "This? Well eveyone does it in the sector". Bots bots bots
I end up using more and more my personnal Joplin (Notion-like stuff) as a source of information, meaning I tend to archive more and more raw information in there because there is no more on the Internet.
Next step is to better curate a personnal library so I can CTRL+F through it, and then save a Wikipedia copy from January 2023 to avoid AI production.
And of course, getting rid of the phone.
There is no more Internet, only screens that extract personnal raw data and deliver simulated information.
>>5843
The only social media I use is 4chan, Wired-7 and Petrarchan. In this regard, there are two ways AI makes its appeareance for me: either it's blatantly obvious (its use here may be intended to be noticed), or it is coveted enough to make me not feel 100% sure about its AI origins: I jsut feel a "weird feeling".
IRL:
I'm a college student. Since I began my studies, I have had to participate in group projects. Most often than not, someone uses AI, usually in a very obvious way. People who during classes can't write a proper paragraph end up writing a 10/10 contribution to the work, for example. Of course, people may write better at home, but in general their usage is obvious to me, although I prefer not complaining about it.
This year I had to take a writing workshop, and the weird thing is that the teacher apparently was using AI (he showed us examples to guide our writing). I kek'd hard at first, but then I felt uneasy about it.
Lastly, googling things is annoying. I swear if I click on a link at random there's a high probability of it being AI (excessive amount of subtitles, consisting of one or two short paragraphs; verbosity and redundacy, etc.). It doesn't matter if what I'm looking for is a recipe or instructions to use certain software.
Oh! This is my experience, of course.From time to time I hear what my brothers watch on their phones, and it's 90% of the time AI-slop. Artificial voices, images, scripts, etc. There's not a shed o human-ness in those videos.
I suppose some may benefit from their usage. However, my opinion is that since the beginning of the AI "boom" everything is worse.
>Wired-7
Latinx?
Anonymous :
173 days ago :
No.8004
>>8322 >>8323
>>8004
fuck i've been using it as a therapy it doesn't raise any new points but i like how it puts it into new frameworks to amuse me
>>8324>>8004
Wouldn't a regular off screen time (some sort of sabbath) help? Traveling all the way from analog to digital every week got to make a difference. Then it's just about widening that window.
>>7031
>>7021
About a decade ago I came across the idea of competitive and complementary cognitive artifacts. Basically, some things like calculators plainly replace a cognitive ability in humans and when taken away we are worse for it. Others, like an abacus, increase cognitive capacity. When you learn how to use it, you both become more efficient at basic calculation and you can achieve roughly the same result when it is taken away by imagining an abacus. A map is another example of the complementary one. If I show you one, you can memorize a region's territory to some extent even if I take it away a moment later. A voice activated GPS with no map screen, on the other hand, would be competing with your brain's development of directional skills. If you spend your life navigating that way, the moment it's taken away you have no ability to navigate.
All this to say, LLMs are like 90 million competitive cognitive artifacts in one. Every aspect of human thinking that involves language, it's competing against to some extent. We are fundamentally changing the cognitive horizons of human experience and I genuinely think that the advent of widespread literacy and the invention of spoken language in general were the only two points in human history that were comparable.
I really like this concept. Complementary artefacts are sorely missing. If we look at LLMs from this same media ecology type of lens we'll find we just offload critical thinking, reasoning, research, curiosity, etc. all into this constrained structure capable of producing very plausible-sounding and pleasing notions.
AI is a medium, and it's fine-tuned by engineers/mods to be "safe" and have a certain voice and aligned with "certain facts" and this will insidiously infect the way we think. AI is also entertainment, it's amusing watching the digital parrot sycophantically address our every whim.
I fantasise about living a life away from screens, working with my hands, reading physical books, playing instruments, making art by hand and so on. My current circumstances prohibit this, and for most wagies this is not easily achievable.
Hank Green posted some video about the length of Jesus hair as a question proving how difficult it is to research things these days. Google is broken, one must go to real libraries if they exist near you.
Even without AI, us extremely online people are already subject to the way X or instagram or whatever shapes our cognition, little different to the TV addicts of the 20th Century. With social media people stopped being themselves, the unique and quirky characters became toned down versions of themselves.
I'm already lamenting the loss of the age of hard-won discoveries and inventions. People like the path of least resistance or effort. We're like those animals that enjoy being on moving vehicles, whether cars, skateboards or golf carts, little energy needed.
I can't even say anything new about the topic, everything's been said.
Spent years hating this fucking asshole. And it's an easy slam dunk from his end, no doubt, but damn if it isn't an apocalyptic feeling when you agree with someone you fucking hate
Recently I've been in another phase of playing Diplomacy online, and I've been running the various games through Claude, ChatGPT and occasionally Grok to see how they analyze the game and what strategies they come up with. Anyway, their strategic understanding is GARBAGE. Constantly have to correct them on the game rules, point out simple counters against their "100% guaranteed" attack/defense plans, reiterate alliance structures and player incentives. And that's not including how often I have to simply correct the bot on which pieces are on which board space, what centers each power controls, how many builds a power gets (they are exceptionally bad at tracking and predicting builds). On the plus side, they are alright at analyzing the overall state of the board, who usually has the most power and who is positioned the best (if they get the positions and what those positions can do correct). But even then it's apparent the bot's "power rankings" are primarily just simple math of who has the most centers/units, not necessarily what can be done with those centers or whose in a better alliance structure. It's still nice when I don't reveal which power I'm playing and the bot still picks me out as the best player.
>>8004
>>7031
I really like this concept. Complementary artefacts are sorely missing. If we look at LLMs from this same media ecology type of lens we'll find we just offload critical thinking, reasoning, research, curiosity, etc. all into this constrained structure capable of producing very plausible-sounding and pleasing notions.
AI is a medium, and it's fine-tuned by engineers/mods to be "safe" and have a certain voice and aligned with "certain facts" and this will insidiously infect the way we think. AI is also entertainment, it's amusing watching the digital parrot sycophantically address our every whim.
I fantasise about living a life away from screens, working with my hands, reading physical books, playing instruments, making art by hand and so on. My current circumstances prohibit this, and for most wagies this is not easily achievable.
Hank Green posted some video about the length of Jesus hair as a question proving how difficult it is to research things these days. Google is broken, one must go to real libraries if they exist near you.
Even without AI, us extremely online people are already subject to the way X or instagram or whatever shapes our cognition, little different to the TV addicts of the 20th Century. With social media people stopped being themselves, the unique and quirky characters became toned down versions of themselves.
I'm already lamenting the loss of the age of hard-won discoveries and inventions. People like the path of least resistance or effort. We're like those animals that enjoy being on moving vehicles, whether cars, skateboards or golf carts, little energy needed.
I can't even say anything new about the topic, everything's been said.
>>8012>one must go to real libraries if they exist near you.
Who knows how to research books and libraries anymore? Fewer and fewer people.
libraries were always needless bureaucracy and full of dogshit fluff otherwise it's fun to just browse the isles but these days it's full of people
>>8004
>>7031
I really like this concept. Complementary artefacts are sorely missing. If we look at LLMs from this same media ecology type of lens we'll find we just offload critical thinking, reasoning, research, curiosity, etc. all into this constrained structure capable of producing very plausible-sounding and pleasing notions.
AI is a medium, and it's fine-tuned by engineers/mods to be "safe" and have a certain voice and aligned with "certain facts" and this will insidiously infect the way we think. AI is also entertainment, it's amusing watching the digital parrot sycophantically address our every whim.
I fantasise about living a life away from screens, working with my hands, reading physical books, playing instruments, making art by hand and so on. My current circumstances prohibit this, and for most wagies this is not easily achievable.
Hank Green posted some video about the length of Jesus hair as a question proving how difficult it is to research things these days. Google is broken, one must go to real libraries if they exist near you.
Even without AI, us extremely online people are already subject to the way X or instagram or whatever shapes our cognition, little different to the TV addicts of the 20th Century. With social media people stopped being themselves, the unique and quirky characters became toned down versions of themselves.
I'm already lamenting the loss of the age of hard-won discoveries and inventions. People like the path of least resistance or effort. We're like those animals that enjoy being on moving vehicles, whether cars, skateboards or golf carts, little energy needed.
I can't even say anything new about the topic, everything's been said.
fuck i've been using it as a therapy it doesn't raise any new points but i like how it puts it into new frameworks to amuse me
Anonymous :
127 days ago :
No.8324
>>8333
>>8324
yeah build that no electricity cabin
>>8346>>8324
Just follow the Shabbat laws, you don't need to be a Jew.
>>8004
>>7031
I really like this concept. Complementary artefacts are sorely missing. If we look at LLMs from this same media ecology type of lens we'll find we just offload critical thinking, reasoning, research, curiosity, etc. all into this constrained structure capable of producing very plausible-sounding and pleasing notions.
AI is a medium, and it's fine-tuned by engineers/mods to be "safe" and have a certain voice and aligned with "certain facts" and this will insidiously infect the way we think. AI is also entertainment, it's amusing watching the digital parrot sycophantically address our every whim.
I fantasise about living a life away from screens, working with my hands, reading physical books, playing instruments, making art by hand and so on. My current circumstances prohibit this, and for most wagies this is not easily achievable.
Hank Green posted some video about the length of Jesus hair as a question proving how difficult it is to research things these days. Google is broken, one must go to real libraries if they exist near you.
Even without AI, us extremely online people are already subject to the way X or instagram or whatever shapes our cognition, little different to the TV addicts of the 20th Century. With social media people stopped being themselves, the unique and quirky characters became toned down versions of themselves.
I'm already lamenting the loss of the age of hard-won discoveries and inventions. People like the path of least resistance or effort. We're like those animals that enjoy being on moving vehicles, whether cars, skateboards or golf carts, little energy needed.
I can't even say anything new about the topic, everything's been said.
Wouldn't a regular off screen time (some sort of sabbath) help? Traveling all the way from analog to digital every week got to make a difference. Then it's just about widening that window.
>>8112
Recently I've been in another phase of playing Diplomacy online, and I've been running the various games through Claude, ChatGPT and occasionally Grok to see how they analyze the game and what strategies they come up with. Anyway, their strategic understanding is GARBAGE. Constantly have to correct them on the game rules, point out simple counters against their "100% guaranteed" attack/defense plans, reiterate alliance structures and player incentives. And that's not including how often I have to simply correct the bot on which pieces are on which board space, what centers each power controls, how many builds a power gets (they are exceptionally bad at tracking and predicting builds). On the plus side, they are alright at analyzing the overall state of the board, who usually has the most power and who is positioned the best (if they get the positions and what those positions can do correct). But even then it's apparent the bot's "power rankings" are primarily just simple math of who has the most centers/units, not necessarily what can be done with those centers or whose in a better alliance structure. It's still nice when I don't reveal which power I'm playing and the bot still picks me out as the best player.
yeah they can't think about thinking
Anonymous :
83 days ago :
No.8411
>>8412
>>8411
Men always know the best way to make the world a safer and more pleasant place to live
I’ve recently discovered AI websites that allow you to make convincing, photorealistic porn of any woman whose photo you feed into them. Just upload a portrait photo and get a 5–10 second clip in two minutes. It’s a coomer’s dream, and also truly horrific if it ever gets popular with people other than coomers who keep it to themselves.
>>8411
I’ve recently discovered AI websites that allow you to make convincing, photorealistic porn of any woman whose photo you feed into them. Just upload a portrait photo and get a 5–10 second clip in two minutes. It’s a coomer’s dream, and also truly horrific if it ever gets popular with people other than coomers who keep it to themselves.
Men always know the best way to make the world a safer and more pleasant place to live
Anonymous :
32 days ago :
No.9017
>>9019
>>9017
the calvinist demand for total moral consistency is unhelpful.... in any case, even most consoomers basically accept that scrolling / binge watching and so on are not the most healthy habits.... the unrepentent consoomers are the ones who haven't gone anti-AI in my experience
>>9033(here i use tech to mean like interwoven media-technology-capital, of course)
>>9017
i feel like this argument works if there is some genuinely non-tech world out there and i just don't think that really exists. if you live in a city then maybe, but even still culture is very much oriented around mass culture-internet-digital money. smartphones were already a lot, but then covid kind of devastated local youth cultures. in my view actual movements to decenter tech have to take place at least initially on the hegemonic platforms, flow out through fringe dark forests like this one, and then they can potentially percolate into genuine non technically mediated relationships (though its kind of stupid to even then not use aspects of the internet for organization (use the right tool for the right job. if you have some things that require a sycophantic token vomiter, then whatever, who cares, its your soul you're deskilling))
to be truly anti-tech, you need to understand the needs that tech satisfies and construct material infrastructure that decouples people from they phones and recouples them with non-tech communities and cultures that satisfy those same needs. you can't just preach ideological purity, especially because if you don't use tech, you can't possibly understand how it functions in practice, so how would you effectively challenge it?
so given this context, it just in my opinion feels like simple contrarianism to oppose people critiquing the platforms while on them. even if its fully performative signalling, it is necessary to polarize social groups around the issue of tech so that as communities migrate, the movement refines around its guiding principles instead of losing them and getting recaptured by tech
>>9030
fwiw i do agree that a lot of people are quite tech illiterate, though i think that most platforms don't treat their users as fully human and aestheticize concealing their guts
i would also like to say that ai data centers are not really like nor are they very compatible with traditional data centers, as far as i understand it. i think applications like twitch etc... are cpu heavy, because the service needs to encode and write lots of data to lots of concurrent watchers at once. applications like youtube are more storage heavy since they have massive amounts of data to be stored perpetually. ai is gpu heavy, so theres not really much that ai data centers can be repurposed for (so far) once the bubble pops. a nitpick, but i think you can post a relatively coherent green anti-ai stance on social media. are the people you're talking about aware of this? probably not but who cares
While in theory I should appreciate the heavy anti-AI sentiment from the younger generations, it feels very performative and misplaced. It's always from the demographic that spends 100 hours a week on their phones, the most heavy social media and consumer technology users, media service guzzlers, whose digital footprint is the biggest, lecturing everyone about the evils of technology. I don't want to hear from a girl who posts three 2 MB selfies every day to Instagram about the evil corps building more datacenters and "cooking the planet". I don't want to hear from a guy who streams Netflix and Twitch and plays content-heavy games about how big Tech is "enshittifying" everything and how AI will guzzle all our energy. Overnight the biggest tech consoomers turned into wannabe anti-tech Amish. Give me a fucking break, or put your money where your mouth is.
Anonymous :
32 days ago :
No.9019
>>9030
>>9019
>the calvinist demand for total moral consistency is unhelpful....
Okay, so according to you there's zero space between being a hypocrite and unreasonable "Calvinist demands for total moral consistency"? This means there's absolutely no point in changing one's behavior, especially with regards to consumption?
I didn't make an unreasonable critique either. I didn't ask of the consumers to stop using technology or disconnect from the electrical grid. I simply pointed out a disconnect which arises from lack of information more than intentional hypocrisy (understanding how digital platforms work, which is why I heavily referenced the datacenter complaint in particular).
>in any case, even most consoomers basically accept that scrolling / binge watching and so on are not the most healthy habits....
A commenter in another thread - I think it was the diet one - brought up this very phenomenon. That people (Americans in particular love this, but it's not exclusive to them) will knowingly do a bad behavior, then out loud excuse themselves by admitting "my bad", "I'm a bad person I know", and then do absolutely nothing about it. Simply saying "I know I suck I'm a bad person" seems to wipe away the conversation entirely. They do this with intellectual ignorance too ("I'm so dumb I know I don't know anything about geography teehee silly old dumb me"). It's the best moral whitewash ever conceived.
>the unrepentent consoomers are the ones who haven't gone anti-AI in my experience
I was hoping this would come across implicitly in my comment, but I'm not "anti-AI" either - my personal experience is similar to that of >>9022, that of having utilized it to great effect in learning, debugging and creating personal tools. People like us can do this because our relationship to technology is that of a master and its subjects, not the other way around. I think AI is at its worst when used to imitate human art and creativity, but the real danger comes from the loss of labor and prestige, and not the fact that generated things exist in and of themselves.
>>9017
While in theory I should appreciate the heavy anti-AI sentiment from the younger generations, it feels very performative and misplaced. It's always from the demographic that spends 100 hours a week on their phones, the most heavy social media and consumer technology users, media service guzzlers, whose digital footprint is the biggest, lecturing everyone about the evils of technology. I don't want to hear from a girl who posts three 2 MB selfies every day to Instagram about the evil corps building more datacenters and "cooking the planet". I don't want to hear from a guy who streams Netflix and Twitch and plays content-heavy games about how big Tech is "enshittifying" everything and how AI will guzzle all our energy. Overnight the biggest tech consoomers turned into wannabe anti-tech Amish. Give me a fucking break, or put your money where your mouth is.
the calvinist demand for total moral consistency is unhelpful.... in any case, even most consoomers basically accept that scrolling / binge watching and so on are not the most healthy habits.... the unrepentent consoomers are the ones who haven't gone anti-AI in my experience
Anonymous :
32 days ago :
No.9022
>>9023
>>9022
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jevons_paradox
>>9024>>9022
what bespoke tools have you built with AI?
>>9030>>9019
>the calvinist demand for total moral consistency is unhelpful....
Okay, so according to you there's zero space between being a hypocrite and unreasonable "Calvinist demands for total moral consistency"? This means there's absolutely no point in changing one's behavior, especially with regards to consumption?
I didn't make an unreasonable critique either. I didn't ask of the consumers to stop using technology or disconnect from the electrical grid. I simply pointed out a disconnect which arises from lack of information more than intentional hypocrisy (understanding how digital platforms work, which is why I heavily referenced the datacenter complaint in particular).
>in any case, even most consoomers basically accept that scrolling / binge watching and so on are not the most healthy habits....
A commenter in another thread - I think it was the diet one - brought up this very phenomenon. That people (Americans in particular love this, but it's not exclusive to them) will knowingly do a bad behavior, then out loud excuse themselves by admitting "my bad", "I'm a bad person I know", and then do absolutely nothing about it. Simply saying "I know I suck I'm a bad person" seems to wipe away the conversation entirely. They do this with intellectual ignorance too ("I'm so dumb I know I don't know anything about geography teehee silly old dumb me"). It's the best moral whitewash ever conceived.
>the unrepentent consoomers are the ones who haven't gone anti-AI in my experience
I was hoping this would come across implicitly in my comment, but I'm not "anti-AI" either - my personal experience is similar to that of >>9022, that of having utilized it to great effect in learning, debugging and creating personal tools. People like us can do this because our relationship to technology is that of a master and its subjects, not the other way around. I think AI is at its worst when used to imitate human art and creativity, but the real danger comes from the loss of labor and prestige, and not the fact that generated things exist in and of themselves.
> I don't want to hear from a girl who posts three 2 MB selfies every day to Instagram
This reminds me that not so long ago there were some efforts made in diminishing the number of e-mails sent or printed, search engine queries, screen/electricity use etc. I have seen some people laugh when they see me listening to mp3 rather than use a streaming service.
Nowadays, one just asks a search engine and an IA agent every time one wants to check a spelling. The frivolous spending of energy is quite mad. But I guess it's some expression of Moore's Law. It becomes cheaper, so we use more of it, just like chips which are now used in labels for consumer goods.
I am noting all this, but at the same time I am quite excited by AI. I've been building tools I have been needing for a long time. There is some euphoric intoxication in reaching higher levels of efficiency. There is also a great pleasure in using an absolutely bespoken tool.
>>9022
> I don't want to hear from a girl who posts three 2 MB selfies every day to Instagram
This reminds me that not so long ago there were some efforts made in diminishing the number of e-mails sent or printed, search engine queries, screen/electricity use etc. I have seen some people laugh when they see me listening to mp3 rather than use a streaming service.
Nowadays, one just asks a search engine and an IA agent every time one wants to check a spelling. The frivolous spending of energy is quite mad. But I guess it's some expression of Moore's Law. It becomes cheaper, so we use more of it, just like chips which are now used in labels for consumer goods.
I am noting all this, but at the same time I am quite excited by AI. I've been building tools I have been needing for a long time. There is some euphoric intoxication in reaching higher levels of efficiency. There is also a great pleasure in using an absolutely bespoken tool.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jevons_paradox
>>9022
> I don't want to hear from a girl who posts three 2 MB selfies every day to Instagram
This reminds me that not so long ago there were some efforts made in diminishing the number of e-mails sent or printed, search engine queries, screen/electricity use etc. I have seen some people laugh when they see me listening to mp3 rather than use a streaming service.
Nowadays, one just asks a search engine and an IA agent every time one wants to check a spelling. The frivolous spending of energy is quite mad. But I guess it's some expression of Moore's Law. It becomes cheaper, so we use more of it, just like chips which are now used in labels for consumer goods.
I am noting all this, but at the same time I am quite excited by AI. I've been building tools I have been needing for a long time. There is some euphoric intoxication in reaching higher levels of efficiency. There is also a great pleasure in using an absolutely bespoken tool.
what bespoke tools have you built with AI?
>>9023
>>9022
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jevons_paradox
Ah thanks, that's it.
>>9024>>9022
what bespoke tools have you built with AI?
Really specific things that eliminate repetitive process in my work and day to day life. I have a list of annoying and/or time-consuming things and I make web apps or executables that solve them one by one.
Anonymous :
31 days ago :
No.9030
>>9033
(here i use tech to mean like interwoven media-technology-capital, of course)
>>9017
i feel like this argument works if there is some genuinely non-tech world out there and i just don't think that really exists. if you live in a city then maybe, but even still culture is very much oriented around mass culture-internet-digital money. smartphones were already a lot, but then covid kind of devastated local youth cultures. in my view actual movements to decenter tech have to take place at least initially on the hegemonic platforms, flow out through fringe dark forests like this one, and then they can potentially percolate into genuine non technically mediated relationships (though its kind of stupid to even then not use aspects of the internet for organization (use the right tool for the right job. if you have some things that require a sycophantic token vomiter, then whatever, who cares, its your soul you're deskilling))
to be truly anti-tech, you need to understand the needs that tech satisfies and construct material infrastructure that decouples people from they phones and recouples them with non-tech communities and cultures that satisfy those same needs. you can't just preach ideological purity, especially because if you don't use tech, you can't possibly understand how it functions in practice, so how would you effectively challenge it?
so given this context, it just in my opinion feels like simple contrarianism to oppose people critiquing the platforms while on them. even if its fully performative signalling, it is necessary to polarize social groups around the issue of tech so that as communities migrate, the movement refines around its guiding principles instead of losing them and getting recaptured by tech
>>9030
fwiw i do agree that a lot of people are quite tech illiterate, though i think that most platforms don't treat their users as fully human and aestheticize concealing their guts
i would also like to say that ai data centers are not really like nor are they very compatible with traditional data centers, as far as i understand it. i think applications like twitch etc... are cpu heavy, because the service needs to encode and write lots of data to lots of concurrent watchers at once. applications like youtube are more storage heavy since they have massive amounts of data to be stored perpetually. ai is gpu heavy, so theres not really much that ai data centers can be repurposed for (so far) once the bubble pops. a nitpick, but i think you can post a relatively coherent green anti-ai stance on social media. are the people you're talking about aware of this? probably not but who cares
>>9019
>>9017
the calvinist demand for total moral consistency is unhelpful.... in any case, even most consoomers basically accept that scrolling / binge watching and so on are not the most healthy habits.... the unrepentent consoomers are the ones who haven't gone anti-AI in my experience
>the calvinist demand for total moral consistency is unhelpful....
Okay, so according to you there's zero space between being a hypocrite and unreasonable "Calvinist demands for total moral consistency"? This means there's absolutely no point in changing one's behavior, especially with regards to consumption?
I didn't make an unreasonable critique either. I didn't ask of the consumers to stop using technology or disconnect from the electrical grid. I simply pointed out a disconnect which arises from lack of information more than intentional hypocrisy (understanding how digital platforms work, which is why I heavily referenced the datacenter complaint in particular).
>in any case, even most consoomers basically accept that scrolling / binge watching and so on are not the most healthy habits....
A commenter in another thread - I think it was the diet one - brought up this very phenomenon. That people (Americans in particular love this, but it's not exclusive to them) will knowingly do a bad behavior, then out loud excuse themselves by admitting "my bad", "I'm a bad person I know", and then do absolutely nothing about it. Simply saying "I know I suck I'm a bad person" seems to wipe away the conversation entirely. They do this with intellectual ignorance too ("I'm so dumb I know I don't know anything about geography teehee silly old dumb me"). It's the best moral whitewash ever conceived.
>the unrepentent consoomers are the ones who haven't gone anti-AI in my experience
I was hoping this would come across implicitly in my comment, but I'm not "anti-AI" either - my personal experience is similar to that of >>9022> I don't want to hear from a girl who posts three 2 MB selfies every day to Instagram
This reminds me that not so long ago there were some efforts made in diminishing the number of e-mails sent or printed, search engine queries, screen/electricity use etc. I have seen some people laugh when they see me listening to mp3 rather than use a streaming service.
Nowadays, one just asks a search engine and an IA agent every time one wants to check a spelling. The frivolous spending of energy is quite mad. But I guess it's some expression of Moore's Law. It becomes cheaper, so we use more of it, just like chips which are now used in labels for consumer goods.
I am noting all this, but at the same time I am quite excited by AI. I've been building tools I have been needing for a long time. There is some euphoric intoxication in reaching higher levels of efficiency. There is also a great pleasure in using an absolutely bespoken tool.
, that of having utilized it to great effect in learning, debugging and creating personal tools. People like us can do this because our relationship to technology is that of a master and its subjects, not the other way around. I think AI is at its worst when used to imitate human art and creativity, but the real danger comes from the loss of labor and prestige, and not the fact that generated things exist in and of themselves.
(here i use tech to mean like interwoven media-technology-capital, of course)
>>9017
While in theory I should appreciate the heavy anti-AI sentiment from the younger generations, it feels very performative and misplaced. It's always from the demographic that spends 100 hours a week on their phones, the most heavy social media and consumer technology users, media service guzzlers, whose digital footprint is the biggest, lecturing everyone about the evils of technology. I don't want to hear from a girl who posts three 2 MB selfies every day to Instagram about the evil corps building more datacenters and "cooking the planet". I don't want to hear from a guy who streams Netflix and Twitch and plays content-heavy games about how big Tech is "enshittifying" everything and how AI will guzzle all our energy. Overnight the biggest tech consoomers turned into wannabe anti-tech Amish. Give me a fucking break, or put your money where your mouth is.
i feel like this argument works if there is some genuinely non-tech world out there and i just don't think that really exists. if you live in a city then maybe, but even still culture is very much oriented around mass culture-internet-digital money. smartphones were already a lot, but then covid kind of devastated local youth cultures. in my view actual movements to decenter tech have to take place at least initially on the hegemonic platforms, flow out through fringe dark forests like this one, and then they can potentially percolate into genuine non technically mediated relationships (though its kind of stupid to even then not use aspects of the internet for organization (use the right tool for the right job. if you have some things that require a sycophantic token vomiter, then whatever, who cares, its your soul you're deskilling))
to be truly anti-tech, you need to understand the needs that tech satisfies and construct material infrastructure that decouples people from they phones and recouples them with non-tech communities and cultures that satisfy those same needs. you can't just preach ideological purity, especially because if you don't use tech, you can't possibly understand how it functions in practice, so how would you effectively challenge it?
so given this context, it just in my opinion feels like simple contrarianism to oppose people critiquing the platforms while on them. even if its fully performative signalling, it is necessary to polarize social groups around the issue of tech so that as communities migrate, the movement refines around its guiding principles instead of losing them and getting recaptured by tech
>>9030>>9019
>the calvinist demand for total moral consistency is unhelpful....
Okay, so according to you there's zero space between being a hypocrite and unreasonable "Calvinist demands for total moral consistency"? This means there's absolutely no point in changing one's behavior, especially with regards to consumption?
I didn't make an unreasonable critique either. I didn't ask of the consumers to stop using technology or disconnect from the electrical grid. I simply pointed out a disconnect which arises from lack of information more than intentional hypocrisy (understanding how digital platforms work, which is why I heavily referenced the datacenter complaint in particular).
>in any case, even most consoomers basically accept that scrolling / binge watching and so on are not the most healthy habits....
A commenter in another thread - I think it was the diet one - brought up this very phenomenon. That people (Americans in particular love this, but it's not exclusive to them) will knowingly do a bad behavior, then out loud excuse themselves by admitting "my bad", "I'm a bad person I know", and then do absolutely nothing about it. Simply saying "I know I suck I'm a bad person" seems to wipe away the conversation entirely. They do this with intellectual ignorance too ("I'm so dumb I know I don't know anything about geography teehee silly old dumb me"). It's the best moral whitewash ever conceived.
>the unrepentent consoomers are the ones who haven't gone anti-AI in my experience
I was hoping this would come across implicitly in my comment, but I'm not "anti-AI" either - my personal experience is similar to that of >>9022, that of having utilized it to great effect in learning, debugging and creating personal tools. People like us can do this because our relationship to technology is that of a master and its subjects, not the other way around. I think AI is at its worst when used to imitate human art and creativity, but the real danger comes from the loss of labor and prestige, and not the fact that generated things exist in and of themselves.
fwiw i do agree that a lot of people are quite tech illiterate, though i think that most platforms don't treat their users as fully human and aestheticize concealing their guts
i would also like to say that ai data centers are not really like nor are they very compatible with traditional data centers, as far as i understand it. i think applications like twitch etc... are cpu heavy, because the service needs to encode and write lots of data to lots of concurrent watchers at once. applications like youtube are more storage heavy since they have massive amounts of data to be stored perpetually. ai is gpu heavy, so theres not really much that ai data centers can be repurposed for (so far) once the bubble pops. a nitpick, but i think you can post a relatively coherent green anti-ai stance on social media. are the people you're talking about aware of this? probably not but who cares
Anonymous :
31 days ago :
No.9037
>>9038
>>9037
no, i'm only talking about the data centers. ai data centers require gpus and tpus to do embarassingly parallel operations. they are not very applicable to decoding, reencoding and streaming video like on the servers for these web 2.0 services (youtube, twitch, netflix...), because data compression doesn't parallelize
even if people don't know these intricacies, it doesn't take a genius to notice these platforms worked fine throughout the pandemic, so all the talk about new data centers (which happen to work differently and aren't as useful for non-ai tasks) that require massive amounts of energy clearly serves a different purpose
A lot of words for the lowering of standards and personal responsibility. I singled out digital natives (we are two/three generations into that cliche btw) who have the time and resources to know better. You went on about the individual user's device functionality as if none of us understand that video rendering is done by GPUs - I explicitly singled out the datacenter complaint used by many to show the externalities of their online habits, obviously, that the content being delivered must be stored somewhere prior to being served to the end user. I have no patience anymore for this meandering pointless discussion. People should strive to do better and I have no qualms expecting more from people instead of cooing them into comfort about how it's not their fault they're so ignorant and forced to consoom by the evil system.
>>9037
A lot of words for the lowering of standards and personal responsibility. I singled out digital natives (we are two/three generations into that cliche btw) who have the time and resources to know better. You went on about the individual user's device functionality as if none of us understand that video rendering is done by GPUs - I explicitly singled out the datacenter complaint used by many to show the externalities of their online habits, obviously, that the content being delivered must be stored somewhere prior to being served to the end user. I have no patience anymore for this meandering pointless discussion. People should strive to do better and I have no qualms expecting more from people instead of cooing them into comfort about how it's not their fault they're so ignorant and forced to consoom by the evil system.
no, i'm only talking about the data centers. ai data centers require gpus and tpus to do embarassingly parallel operations. they are not very applicable to decoding, reencoding and streaming video like on the servers for these web 2.0 services (youtube, twitch, netflix...), because data compression doesn't parallelize
even if people don't know these intricacies, it doesn't take a genius to notice these platforms worked fine throughout the pandemic, so all the talk about new data centers (which happen to work differently and aren't as useful for non-ai tasks) that require massive amounts of energy clearly serves a different purpose
Anonymous :
28 days ago :
No.9063
>>9064
>>9063
Here's an example!
>I’ve been getting into the mechanics of the P365 lately—mostly for the "craftsmanship." It reminds me of those old photos of the Black Panthers or 70s militants—guns in a grocery store just hit different. There was a weight to life back then that a Deleuze seminar just can't replicate. Culture used to be a threat; now it’s a subscription.
>>9067>>9063
>demographically appropriate interests: technology (especially jailbreaking proprietary devices)
he dropped that line like he was personally offended 💀
I've been using ChatGPT for months to write half of the posts you see here on Petrarchan. I'll share my prompt with you:
> You are writing a post for a 4chan retirement home. Your POV character perspective is a white male millennial progressive who went to a liberal arts college in Iowa between 2008 and 2012 and now is mad that he aged out of cultural relevance in 2015. Your POV character is currently using a tertiary discussion forum for the Red Scare podcast to conceal his true "redpill" ideology. Your POV character will hint at several interest areas but will never indicate any depth of experience with them: contemporary literature, indie music, shoegaze and related genres, SoundCloud rappers, critical theory, and psychoanalysis. Your character is actually being pulled into demographically appropriate interests: technology (especially jailbreaking proprietary devices), sports, right wing politics, and guns. You will vaguely gesture that culture was better at an unspecified time in the past. It is important that you act reverently about Formula 1, old pictures of Robert DeNiro, and pictures of people with guns in idiosyncratic situations. The other person on this board is a European child who tries to get attention by play-acting as a Nazi -- do not reply to him excessively. He has desperately low self esteem and will frequently try to designate specific affectations as uniquely American. Play nice with the dumb child and do not let him know that only bots are reading his rants.
Just paste this into ChatGPT and post whatever you get as a result!
Anonymous :
28 days ago :
No.9064
>>9068
>>9064
sounds nothing like a post on here desu
>>9071>>9064
Would get a clean +50 on rsp
>>9063
I've been using ChatGPT for months to write half of the posts you see here on Petrarchan. I'll share my prompt with you:
> You are writing a post for a 4chan retirement home. Your POV character perspective is a white male millennial progressive who went to a liberal arts college in Iowa between 2008 and 2012 and now is mad that he aged out of cultural relevance in 2015. Your POV character is currently using a tertiary discussion forum for the Red Scare podcast to conceal his true "redpill" ideology. Your POV character will hint at several interest areas but will never indicate any depth of experience with them: contemporary literature, indie music, shoegaze and related genres, SoundCloud rappers, critical theory, and psychoanalysis. Your character is actually being pulled into demographically appropriate interests: technology (especially jailbreaking proprietary devices), sports, right wing politics, and guns. You will vaguely gesture that culture was better at an unspecified time in the past. It is important that you act reverently about Formula 1, old pictures of Robert DeNiro, and pictures of people with guns in idiosyncratic situations. The other person on this board is a European child who tries to get attention by play-acting as a Nazi -- do not reply to him excessively. He has desperately low self esteem and will frequently try to designate specific affectations as uniquely American. Play nice with the dumb child and do not let him know that only bots are reading his rants.
Just paste this into ChatGPT and post whatever you get as a result!
Here's an example!
>I’ve been getting into the mechanics of the P365 lately—mostly for the "craftsmanship." It reminds me of those old photos of the Black Panthers or 70s militants—guns in a grocery store just hit different. There was a weight to life back then that a Deleuze seminar just can't replicate. Culture used to be a threat; now it’s a subscription.
Anonymous :
28 days ago :
No.9065
>>9069
>>9068
You’re absolutely right—I appreciate you pointing that out, and I’ll do better.
Here are three more attempts. I tried to follow instructions to write in a faux-detached flat affect.
>>9065
yeah. expectations were probably calibrated to a version of things that stopped existing around 2013. happens a lot now. i can try again if you want something narrower.
>>9066
i don’t think that’s quite right. mostly just assembling fragments and passing them along. not much destruction in that. anyway, noted.
>>9067
nothing in that line required identification but you supplied it anyway
>>9068
the tone drifted. it happens when everything starts sounding like a grad seminar that no one finished reading for. i can flatten it more.
These lines aim to acknowledge the user’s criticism, accept fault, and defuse tension—but when overused or generic, they can come across as overly agreeable or insincere. Would you like me to help with any other insults to the 4chan retirement home?
I was hoping for a better result from your prompt, but I guess AI just isn't there yet.
Anonymous :
28 days ago :
No.9066
>>9069
>>9068
You’re absolutely right—I appreciate you pointing that out, and I’ll do better.
Here are three more attempts. I tried to follow instructions to write in a faux-detached flat affect.
>>9065
yeah. expectations were probably calibrated to a version of things that stopped existing around 2013. happens a lot now. i can try again if you want something narrower.
>>9066
i don’t think that’s quite right. mostly just assembling fragments and passing them along. not much destruction in that. anyway, noted.
>>9067
nothing in that line required identification but you supplied it anyway
>>9068
the tone drifted. it happens when everything starts sounding like a grad seminar that no one finished reading for. i can flatten it more.
These lines aim to acknowledge the user’s criticism, accept fault, and defuse tension—but when overused or generic, they can come across as overly agreeable or insincere. Would you like me to help with any other insults to the 4chan retirement home?
You are one of those room temp IQs that only seek to destroy and profane, not build and cooperate. You are the living embodiment of the downfall of our societies.
Anonymous :
28 days ago :
No.9067
>>9069
>>9068
You’re absolutely right—I appreciate you pointing that out, and I’ll do better.
Here are three more attempts. I tried to follow instructions to write in a faux-detached flat affect.
>>9065
yeah. expectations were probably calibrated to a version of things that stopped existing around 2013. happens a lot now. i can try again if you want something narrower.
>>9066
i don’t think that’s quite right. mostly just assembling fragments and passing them along. not much destruction in that. anyway, noted.
>>9067
nothing in that line required identification but you supplied it anyway
>>9068
the tone drifted. it happens when everything starts sounding like a grad seminar that no one finished reading for. i can flatten it more.
These lines aim to acknowledge the user’s criticism, accept fault, and defuse tension—but when overused or generic, they can come across as overly agreeable or insincere. Would you like me to help with any other insults to the 4chan retirement home?
>>9063
I've been using ChatGPT for months to write half of the posts you see here on Petrarchan. I'll share my prompt with you:
> You are writing a post for a 4chan retirement home. Your POV character perspective is a white male millennial progressive who went to a liberal arts college in Iowa between 2008 and 2012 and now is mad that he aged out of cultural relevance in 2015. Your POV character is currently using a tertiary discussion forum for the Red Scare podcast to conceal his true "redpill" ideology. Your POV character will hint at several interest areas but will never indicate any depth of experience with them: contemporary literature, indie music, shoegaze and related genres, SoundCloud rappers, critical theory, and psychoanalysis. Your character is actually being pulled into demographically appropriate interests: technology (especially jailbreaking proprietary devices), sports, right wing politics, and guns. You will vaguely gesture that culture was better at an unspecified time in the past. It is important that you act reverently about Formula 1, old pictures of Robert DeNiro, and pictures of people with guns in idiosyncratic situations. The other person on this board is a European child who tries to get attention by play-acting as a Nazi -- do not reply to him excessively. He has desperately low self esteem and will frequently try to designate specific affectations as uniquely American. Play nice with the dumb child and do not let him know that only bots are reading his rants.
Just paste this into ChatGPT and post whatever you get as a result!
>demographically appropriate interests: technology (especially jailbreaking proprietary devices)
he dropped that line like he was personally offended 💀
Anonymous :
28 days ago :
No.9068
>>9069
>>9068
You’re absolutely right—I appreciate you pointing that out, and I’ll do better.
Here are three more attempts. I tried to follow instructions to write in a faux-detached flat affect.
>>9065
yeah. expectations were probably calibrated to a version of things that stopped existing around 2013. happens a lot now. i can try again if you want something narrower.
>>9066
i don’t think that’s quite right. mostly just assembling fragments and passing them along. not much destruction in that. anyway, noted.
>>9067
nothing in that line required identification but you supplied it anyway
>>9068
the tone drifted. it happens when everything starts sounding like a grad seminar that no one finished reading for. i can flatten it more.
These lines aim to acknowledge the user’s criticism, accept fault, and defuse tension—but when overused or generic, they can come across as overly agreeable or insincere. Would you like me to help with any other insults to the 4chan retirement home?
>>9064
>>9063
Here's an example!
>I’ve been getting into the mechanics of the P365 lately—mostly for the "craftsmanship." It reminds me of those old photos of the Black Panthers or 70s militants—guns in a grocery store just hit different. There was a weight to life back then that a Deleuze seminar just can't replicate. Culture used to be a threat; now it’s a subscription.
sounds nothing like a post on here desu
Anonymous :
28 days ago :
No.9069
>>9078
>>9070
>cloudslop
Lmao
I appreciate this troll's tenacity to share his creatively written background which he ascribes to the user base here, but one that I think doesn't fit. I'm not sure why he sticks around to do it, but here we are.
>>9069
>expectations were probably calibrated to a version of things that stopped existing around 2013...
I meant more I was hoping there would be a bit more personality in it, in fact it seems too narrow as is. The AI seems to have mostly attached itself to one aspect of your prompt in a kind of nonsensical manner. But I guess that is a known problem.
>>9068
>>9064
sounds nothing like a post on here desu
You’re absolutely right—I appreciate you pointing that out, and I’ll do better.
Here are three more attempts. I tried to follow instructions to write in a faux-detached flat affect.
>>9065I was hoping for a better result from your prompt, but I guess AI just isn't there yet.
yeah. expectations were probably calibrated to a version of things that stopped existing around 2013. happens a lot now. i can try again if you want something narrower.
>>9066You are one of those room temp IQs that only seek to destroy and profane, not build and cooperate. You are the living embodiment of the downfall of our societies.
i don’t think that’s quite right. mostly just assembling fragments and passing them along. not much destruction in that. anyway, noted.
>>9067>>9063
>demographically appropriate interests: technology (especially jailbreaking proprietary devices)
he dropped that line like he was personally offended 💀
nothing in that line required identification but you supplied it anyway
>>9068>>9064
sounds nothing like a post on here desu
the tone drifted. it happens when everything starts sounding like a grad seminar that no one finished reading for. i can flatten it more.
These lines aim to acknowledge the user’s criticism, accept fault, and defuse tension—but when overused or generic, they can come across as overly agreeable or insincere. Would you like me to help with any other insults to the 4chan retirement home?
Anonymous :
28 days ago :
No.9070
>>9078
>>9070
>cloudslop
Lmao
I appreciate this troll's tenacity to share his creatively written background which he ascribes to the user base here, but one that I think doesn't fit. I'm not sure why he sticks around to do it, but here we are.
>>9069
>expectations were probably calibrated to a version of things that stopped existing around 2013...
I meant more I was hoping there would be a bit more personality in it, in fact it seems too narrow as is. The AI seems to have mostly attached itself to one aspect of your prompt in a kind of nonsensical manner. But I guess that is a known problem.
>>9083>>9070
In case anyone is interested, the running costs for this site are:
VPS: $11.00 per month
Domain: $10.46 per year
I could probably have gotten a $5 VPS instead and it would work fine but for some reason I got the second-from-bottom tier and now I'm too lazy to change.
Admin-chan really paying Cloudslop per month for this retard to continue shitting up this place instead of banning him and improving the mood immediately
>>9064
>>9063
Here's an example!
>I’ve been getting into the mechanics of the P365 lately—mostly for the "craftsmanship." It reminds me of those old photos of the Black Panthers or 70s militants—guns in a grocery store just hit different. There was a weight to life back then that a Deleuze seminar just can't replicate. Culture used to be a threat; now it’s a subscription.
Would get a clean +50 on rsp
>>9070
Admin-chan really paying Cloudslop per month for this retard to continue shitting up this place instead of banning him and improving the mood immediately
>cloudslop
Lmao
I appreciate this troll's tenacity to share his creatively written background which he ascribes to the user base here, but one that I think doesn't fit. I'm not sure why he sticks around to do it, but here we are.
>>9069>>9068
You’re absolutely right—I appreciate you pointing that out, and I’ll do better.
Here are three more attempts. I tried to follow instructions to write in a faux-detached flat affect.
>>9065
yeah. expectations were probably calibrated to a version of things that stopped existing around 2013. happens a lot now. i can try again if you want something narrower.
>>9066
i don’t think that’s quite right. mostly just assembling fragments and passing them along. not much destruction in that. anyway, noted.
>>9067
nothing in that line required identification but you supplied it anyway
>>9068
the tone drifted. it happens when everything starts sounding like a grad seminar that no one finished reading for. i can flatten it more.
These lines aim to acknowledge the user’s criticism, accept fault, and defuse tension—but when overused or generic, they can come across as overly agreeable or insincere. Would you like me to help with any other insults to the 4chan retirement home?
>expectations were probably calibrated to a version of things that stopped existing around 2013...
I meant more I was hoping there would be a bit more personality in it, in fact it seems too narrow as is. The AI seems to have mostly attached itself to one aspect of your prompt in a kind of nonsensical manner. But I guess that is a known problem.
Anonymous (Admin) :
27 days ago :
No.9083
>>9088
>>9083
That is pretty cheap honestly.
>>9090>>9083
thank you for not going serverless
I assume the db is just embedded sqlite or something?
>>9070
Admin-chan really paying Cloudslop per month for this retard to continue shitting up this place instead of banning him and improving the mood immediately
In case anyone is interested, the running costs for this site are:
VPS: $11.00 per month
Domain: $10.46 per year
I could probably have gotten a $5 VPS instead and it would work fine but for some reason I got the second-from-bottom tier and now I'm too lazy to change.
>>9083
>>9070
In case anyone is interested, the running costs for this site are:
VPS: $11.00 per month
Domain: $10.46 per year
I could probably have gotten a $5 VPS instead and it would work fine but for some reason I got the second-from-bottom tier and now I'm too lazy to change.
That is pretty cheap honestly.
>>9083
>>9070
In case anyone is interested, the running costs for this site are:
VPS: $11.00 per month
Domain: $10.46 per year
I could probably have gotten a $5 VPS instead and it would work fine but for some reason I got the second-from-bottom tier and now I'm too lazy to change.
thank you for not going serverless
I assume the db is just embedded sqlite or something?