There's been a lot of talk on Dead Internet theory for the past couple of years, which is understandable, but in my eyes it feels part of a much larger trend that's been happening since covid. Which is... the world feels kinda "dead". Maybe this is the feeling Mark Fisher talks about in capitalist realism. When I was a teen, I thought he was just being a boomer who didn't enjoy new things. But now I'm coming to feel similarly to him. So either I became a boomer, or the vibe shift is real. I guess to put it concretely, it's like "There's nothing new or fresh happening right now, and no indication that something fresh is on the horizon either". Any trend that's happening right now was already happening 5 or more years ago, except it was way more lively & energetic back then, whereas now it's just running on momentum. The 2020's so far feel like the shambling corpse of the 2010's. It's really hard to put this into words but does anyone else feel it?
Everything feels "over" :
Anonymous :
38 days ago :
No.4962
>>4977
>>4962 (OP)
Interesting things only happen in the real world. Fewer interesting things are happening in the real world because people spend too much time in the fake world (internet). Simple as that.
America problem tbh
>>4962 (OP)
Interesting things only happen in the real world. Fewer interesting things are happening in the real world because people spend too much time in the fake world (internet). Simple as that.
Anonymous :
37 days ago :
No.4984
>>5008
>>4984
Technically it's effortless to discover new things online. IMO it's more like highly cerebral people have their baselines for stimulation naturally heightened to extreme degrees, so that what's real and important to them is entirely abstract, and the material world is irrelevant save to the degree it modifies the abstracts.
How do you distinguish this from the effect of getting older and getting less surprised because the number of new things you discover each day is dwindling?
Anonymous :
37 days ago :
No.4988
>>5018
>>4988
>'Normies' don't exist anymore
>Both high culture and counterculture are gone - only pop culture slop has remained
Brazilification. Sterling explained all this 15 years ago, with Gothic high-tech and Favela chic.
Gothic high tech:
>It’s the industrial order with enormous holes and absences, with dead areas formerly thriving but that have been undercut or disintermediated, or digitally layered over or off-shored or abandoned. They no longer pay or socially function. They are ruins. (...)the early digital media of 80s and 90s, stuck on abandoned websites and dead social networks. No one is in charge; it’s visibly decaying. Megatons of it, irrelevant, incapable of restoration, the walking dead…
Favela chic:
>Favela chic takes the logic of software and networks and applies them to institutions no matter what they are. It’s like taking a mac laptop and using it to hammer in nails. It represents the promise of change, instead of making do with overused stuff. It makes sense to young people and idealists. It’s consistent and easy to grasp. The problem is that over time, it tends to be squalid. It is user centric rather than planned. It’s made of small pieces joined: beta, open source rather than refined by competition. It pastes over institutional failings with utopian rhetoric. Time reveals its slipshod cheesiness and cheapness, its poor engineering.
>In 2020 children of digital natives will be interested in their analogue grandparents, in our parents. Those living from ‘45 to ‘89 will be romantic to young people denied that way of life. The digital revolution will have outlived its luster. It won’t be shiny or new but fashionable to count cost and valorize painstaking, beautiful analogue things that belonged to long dead atomic ladies and gentlemen. They’ll prize analogue museum pieces for weird, wrong reasons. What does a chic favela gothic institution look like? How does it strategize? It wouldn’t want a gothic ruin, but an unprecedented, elegant combination. Everybody lives in museums, in resolving contradictions. In new forms of the old continuity.
There used to be a complete transcript of this talk, but hey, I can't find it anymore online. Here are some notes: https://mediaarthistories.blogspot.com/2010/01/gothic-chic-in-future-favela-bruce.html
IDK if everything is over but a large part of the world is getting replaced with slop.
'Normies' don't exist anymore, nearly everyone sources their personality wholesale from whatever the TikTok recommendation algorithm serves them, people repeat internet memes IRL pretending they're their own thoughts. Both individual and regional/cultural differences are disappearing, the latter decimated by the internet and mass immigration. My own city has changed completely over ten years, both because of large-scale immigration and adoption of trendy internet politics by local elites.
Both high culture and counterculture are gone - only pop culture slop has remained and the only 'innovation' it undergoes is that it's getting more vulgar.
I guess this has been going on for 50 years at least, the internet just accelerated it.
I am a spiritual boomer and I'm proud of it.
Anonymous :
37 days ago :
No.5008
>>5009
>>5008
Do you mind saying what you mean by "modifies the abstracts"? Wouldn't it be the other way around?
>>4984
How do you distinguish this from the effect of getting older and getting less surprised because the number of new things you discover each day is dwindling?
Technically it's effortless to discover new things online. IMO it's more like highly cerebral people have their baselines for stimulation naturally heightened to extreme degrees, so that what's real and important to them is entirely abstract, and the material world is irrelevant save to the degree it modifies the abstracts.
Anonymous :
37 days ago :
No.5009
>>5019
>>5009
>Wouldn't it be the other way around?
Do you mean like, "The material world is irrelevant save to the degree that abstracts can modify it"? Or in plain english: "We care about science because it can be applied".
I think all sciences are born from an initial wonder with the world, and the abstract tools of science are adopted only as a means to deepen that wonder, but since they're the only means to engage with the most important and profound thing in your life, symbolically most of that human emotion and care is channeled towards the symbols or techniques themselves, rather than whatever outcome you might expect from those techniques.
If scientists could only care about their set of abstracts to the extent they could modify the material world, science as it exists now would be impossible. Everyone labors under the assumption that their research could go on to modify the world one day, but most of us will never live to see that happen. We'd be unbelievably lucky. Having the material world modify our abstracts though is attainable to all, it's a natural part of theorizing.
>>5008
>>4984
Technically it's effortless to discover new things online. IMO it's more like highly cerebral people have their baselines for stimulation naturally heightened to extreme degrees, so that what's real and important to them is entirely abstract, and the material world is irrelevant save to the degree it modifies the abstracts.
Do you mind saying what you mean by "modifies the abstracts"? Wouldn't it be the other way around?
>>4988
IDK if everything is over but a large part of the world is getting replaced with slop.
'Normies' don't exist anymore, nearly everyone sources their personality wholesale from whatever the TikTok recommendation algorithm serves them, people repeat internet memes IRL pretending they're their own thoughts. Both individual and regional/cultural differences are disappearing, the latter decimated by the internet and mass immigration. My own city has changed completely over ten years, both because of large-scale immigration and adoption of trendy internet politics by local elites.
Both high culture and counterculture are gone - only pop culture slop has remained and the only 'innovation' it undergoes is that it's getting more vulgar.
I guess this has been going on for 50 years at least, the internet just accelerated it.
I am a spiritual boomer and I'm proud of it.
>'Normies' don't exist anymore
>Both high culture and counterculture are gone - only pop culture slop has remained
Brazilification. Sterling explained all this 15 years ago, with Gothic high-tech and Favela chic.
Gothic high tech:
>It’s the industrial order with enormous holes and absences, with dead areas formerly thriving but that have been undercut or disintermediated, or digitally layered over or off-shored or abandoned. They no longer pay or socially function. They are ruins. (...)the early digital media of 80s and 90s, stuck on abandoned websites and dead social networks. No one is in charge; it’s visibly decaying. Megatons of it, irrelevant, incapable of restoration, the walking dead…
Favela chic:
>Favela chic takes the logic of software and networks and applies them to institutions no matter what they are. It’s like taking a mac laptop and using it to hammer in nails. It represents the promise of change, instead of making do with overused stuff. It makes sense to young people and idealists. It’s consistent and easy to grasp. The problem is that over time, it tends to be squalid. It is user centric rather than planned. It’s made of small pieces joined: beta, open source rather than refined by competition. It pastes over institutional failings with utopian rhetoric. Time reveals its slipshod cheesiness and cheapness, its poor engineering.
>In 2020 children of digital natives will be interested in their analogue grandparents, in our parents. Those living from ‘45 to ‘89 will be romantic to young people denied that way of life. The digital revolution will have outlived its luster. It won’t be shiny or new but fashionable to count cost and valorize painstaking, beautiful analogue things that belonged to long dead atomic ladies and gentlemen. They’ll prize analogue museum pieces for weird, wrong reasons. What does a chic favela gothic institution look like? How does it strategize? It wouldn’t want a gothic ruin, but an unprecedented, elegant combination. Everybody lives in museums, in resolving contradictions. In new forms of the old continuity.
There used to be a complete transcript of this talk, but hey, I can't find it anymore online. Here are some notes: https://mediaarthistories.blogspot.com/2010/01/gothic-chic-in-future-favela-bruce.html
>>5009
>>5008
Do you mind saying what you mean by "modifies the abstracts"? Wouldn't it be the other way around?
>Wouldn't it be the other way around?
Do you mean like, "The material world is irrelevant save to the degree that abstracts can modify it"? Or in plain english: "We care about science because it can be applied".
I think all sciences are born from an initial wonder with the world, and the abstract tools of science are adopted only as a means to deepen that wonder, but since they're the only means to engage with the most important and profound thing in your life, symbolically most of that human emotion and care is channeled towards the symbols or techniques themselves, rather than whatever outcome you might expect from those techniques.
If scientists could only care about their set of abstracts to the extent they could modify the material world, science as it exists now would be impossible. Everyone labors under the assumption that their research could go on to modify the world one day, but most of us will never live to see that happen. We'd be unbelievably lucky. Having the material world modify our abstracts though is attainable to all, it's a natural part of theorizing.
The overness, I think, stems from the feeling of faltering spirit, rather than lack of happenings. We know that events are generally cyclical, and cyclicality doesn't necessarily wear out events. It can even add to their depth. But lack of spirit, the feeling of things occurring simply out of pure mechanical action, empty self preservation or profit, or even like a shell of a being which still shambles, kills all enjoyment that exists in observing and living within history.
Anonymous :
16 days ago :
No.5637
>>5660
>>5637
There is not, every single part of the internet is astroturfed
Your only hope is make a gated community that is invite-only but then you run the risk of just making an echo chamber
>>5629
Yeah, that's what countless hours of doomscrolling and being addicted to taiwanese frog fighting forums will do you
Which popular websites present self-aware civil discourse in good faith?
Anonymous :
16 days ago :
No.5643
>>5654
>>5643
Guam a territory of the United States, with a long history of being a military base. It's a place for testing glowie technology than building it.
Can’t believe there’s like over 150k people in Guam like how do so many people fit inside that island which still has a ton of underdeveloped territory? Is it secret glowie technology?
>>5643
Can’t believe there’s like over 150k people in Guam like how do so many people fit inside that island which still has a ton of underdeveloped territory? Is it secret glowie technology?
Guam a territory of the United States, with a long history of being a military base. It's a place for testing glowie technology than building it.
Anonymous :
16 days ago :
No.5660
>>5767
>>5660
Gatekeeping is a good thing.
>>5786>>5660
I had that at one point with real friends but I went crazy and alienated myself to the point that those relationships can never be repaired. I've yet to recreate a social enclave since. Feels bad because the rest of the internet sucks.
>>5660
>>5637
There is not, every single part of the internet is astroturfed
Your only hope is make a gated community that is invite-only but then you run the risk of just making an echo chamber
I had that at one point with real friends but I went crazy and alienated myself to the point that those relationships can never be repaired. I've yet to recreate a social enclave since. Feels bad because the rest of the internet sucks.