/pt/ – Petrarchan

Are zoomers just convinced of the power of non-violent protests? Are they completely doomer-pilled and cynical to any action? Do they even care?

>>4906 (OP) Boomers saw themselves getting drafted and bleeding out in a jungle. Zoomies see themselves as their parasocial influencers. Their sense of how the world is going is 100% different

Ain't no Viet Crong.

Normal people don’t care about deserts wars that don’t affect them. Boomers were actually getting sent to Vietnam.

>waspy

For one there is no genocide. It's like how at the height of woke hysteria whenever a non-white person was killed, there were people who called it a hate crime. Like it or not, these things have different meanings from war or murder and the people for whom passion exceeds reason to the point that they don't care about those differences tend to be kicked out of jury pools or positions of diplomatic power rather naturally. The heavy-handed stuff the current administration is pulling is relatively unusual. There is a war though. It's not a particularly bad one. If you add up all the violent conflict of the 2020s, including Ukraine and others, it still doesn't equate to a couple months of real genocide like Rwanda, and that was on the small side. The Holocaust or Cambodian genocide were several times larger and are difficult to comprehend. Likewise, the Allies killed more many more people in a single night bombing Tokyo than the entire operation so far has in equally dense Gaza. Like Imperial Japan, the side that lost terribly today has a holdout problem. The cruel twist this time is a minority of propagandized Westerners are encouraging them, prolonging the suffering on behalf of Israel's neighbors, who don't give a humanitarian shit but do love having a geopolitical pressure point to poke. As for why it's not like the 60s in particular, that's because it dropped off insanely in the 70s and never again came close. You gotta realize America had around 5 bombings a day at one point, whereas having a single one has been major news for quite a while now. Violence today is simply nowhere near the same league and people aren't throwing their lives away on one particular type at comparable rates because it's very obviously a delusional LARP to most of us.

Boomers -> Extreme counter culture Gen X -> Moderate counter culture Millennials -> Nearly non existent counter culture Gen Z -> No counter culture

The spooks culled this tendency through decades-long attrition against culture & society

Slacktivism has never been this easy

>>4939

For one there is no genocide. It's like how at the height of woke hysteria whenever a non-white person was killed, there were people who called it a hate crime. Like it or not, these things have different meanings from war or murder and the people for whom passion exceeds reason to the point that they don't care about those differences tend to be kicked out of jury pools or positions of diplomatic power rather naturally. The heavy-handed stuff the current administration is pulling is relatively unusual. There is a war though. It's not a particularly bad one. If you add up all the violent conflict of the 2020s, including Ukraine and others, it still doesn't equate to a couple months of real genocide like Rwanda, and that was on the small side. The Holocaust or Cambodian genocide were several times larger and are difficult to comprehend. Likewise, the Allies killed more many more people in a single night bombing Tokyo than the entire operation so far has in equally dense Gaza. Like Imperial Japan, the side that lost terribly today has a holdout problem. The cruel twist this time is a minority of propagandized Westerners are encouraging them, prolonging the suffering on behalf of Israel's neighbors, who don't give a humanitarian shit but do love having a geopolitical pressure point to poke. As for why it's not like the 60s in particular, that's because it dropped off insanely in the 70s and never again came close. You gotta realize America had around 5 bombings a day at one point, whereas having a single one has been major news for quite a while now. Violence today is simply nowhere near the same league and people aren't throwing their lives away on one particular type at comparable rates because it's very obviously a delusional LARP to most of us.

There is no genocide in Gaza. And if there is they deserve it. Israel greatest country.

>>4983

>>4939 There is no genocide in Gaza. And if there is they deserve it. Israel greatest country.

First part yes. Second part no. Third part maybe, definitely the best in the region.

>>4990

>>4983 First part yes. Second part no. Third part maybe, definitely the best in the region.

Why do you love Gazans so much?

>>5005

>>4990 Why do you love Gazans so much?

This board was so pleasant before retarded trolls discovered it.

>>5010

>>5005 This board was so pleasant before retarded trolls discovered it.

Don't reply.

>>5012

>>5010 Don't reply.

Nah.

>>5005

>>4990 Why do you love Gazans so much?

So much I don't think they deserve genocide? Idk, seems like a pretty basic moral position. Usually I'd say I'm open to being convinced otherwise but if they couldn't do that themselves with their ghastly livestreams on October 7th I don't think you'll be able to change my mind with some text. Thankfully it's moot. As you said, there is no genocide in Gaza.

>>5023

>>5005 So much I don't think they deserve genocide? Idk, seems like a pretty basic moral position. Usually I'd say I'm open to being convinced otherwise but if they couldn't do that themselves with their ghastly livestreams on October 7th I don't think you'll be able to change my mind with some text. Thankfully it's moot. As you said, there is no genocide in Gaza.

Cows produce lovely delicious life-giving milk, yet near million of them are murdered in horrific conditions every day. What do Gazans produce apart from terrorism? >>5010

>>5005 This board was so pleasant before retarded trolls discovered it.

Where are your Arguments?

>>5031

>>5023 Cows produce lovely delicious life-giving milk, yet near million of them are murdered in horrific conditions every day. What do Gazans produce apart from terrorism? >>5010 Where are your Arguments?

The reason you are being correctly identified as retarded is that your Arguments seem to come from an incurious mind that is more interested in getting a reaction than in truth seeking, original thought, or careful observation.

>>5046

>>5031 The reason you are being correctly identified as retarded is that your Arguments seem to come from an incurious mind that is more interested in getting a reaction than in truth seeking, original thought, or careful observation.

Projection. Look at what this thread is about: how great disruptive protest was in the 60s and 70s; how it needs to be brought back and applied to Gaza. It's curious that the suggestion is the Current Thing. Where's the justification for why Gaza deserves that? The animals are more deserving. Their slaughter, which is on an incredible scale, one overshadowing any violence of man to man, is an unequaled example of apathy. Not unlike what this thread recalls, it too, used to provoke anger enough to disrupt this wretched society. Why over the last decade and some has it been almost completely displaced by climate and Current Thing? Let's hear why the Current Thing, which is Gaza, deserves to be heard of the suffering of millions. Make the Argument.

This guy really read "Hitler was a vegetarian" and made that into his entire worldview kek

He even made sure to throw climate in there to signal his rightoid bonafides

>>5031

>>5023 Cows produce lovely delicious life-giving milk, yet near million of them are murdered in horrific conditions every day. What do Gazans produce apart from terrorism? >>5010 Where are your Arguments?

A living being's worth is not a function of what they produce. I'm vegetarian too. We can walk and chew gum at the same time here.

>>4939

For one there is no genocide. It's like how at the height of woke hysteria whenever a non-white person was killed, there were people who called it a hate crime. Like it or not, these things have different meanings from war or murder and the people for whom passion exceeds reason to the point that they don't care about those differences tend to be kicked out of jury pools or positions of diplomatic power rather naturally. The heavy-handed stuff the current administration is pulling is relatively unusual. There is a war though. It's not a particularly bad one. If you add up all the violent conflict of the 2020s, including Ukraine and others, it still doesn't equate to a couple months of real genocide like Rwanda, and that was on the small side. The Holocaust or Cambodian genocide were several times larger and are difficult to comprehend. Likewise, the Allies killed more many more people in a single night bombing Tokyo than the entire operation so far has in equally dense Gaza. Like Imperial Japan, the side that lost terribly today has a holdout problem. The cruel twist this time is a minority of propagandized Westerners are encouraging them, prolonging the suffering on behalf of Israel's neighbors, who don't give a humanitarian shit but do love having a geopolitical pressure point to poke. As for why it's not like the 60s in particular, that's because it dropped off insanely in the 70s and never again came close. You gotta realize America had around 5 bombings a day at one point, whereas having a single one has been major news for quite a while now. Violence today is simply nowhere near the same league and people aren't throwing their lives away on one particular type at comparable rates because it's very obviously a delusional LARP to most of us.

As somebody whose profession makes me intimately familiar with contemporary war, Israel is committing atrocities at an unprecedented rate. I read reports on it every day. It is not comparable to any conventional conflict and the fact that your best comparison is the single greatest individual humanitarian tragedy in the single largest military conflict in human history should probably have given you pause. Hamas can barely be said to exist anymore and has been that way for months. Gaza is fucking gone. Israeli media for Israeli audiences doesn't even flit around the subject anymore, translate it from Hebrew and you can see standing politicians blatantly stating that they want all Palestinians dead to settle on their graves. Do not mistake this for liking Muslims. I want my country to stop piddling around in the Middle East and disowning Israel for their war crimes is step one in that process, we have given them enough and I can only hope the one positive outcome of this war is that their vice grip on Washington's balls is now too obvious to ignore. There is no reason to defend their behavior anymore outside of kneejerk lib-owning. They're reprehensible and so are you.

>>5054

>>5031 A living being's worth is not a function of what they produce. I'm vegetarian too. We can walk and chew gum at the same time here.

do u swat mozzies?

>>5051

>>5046 Projection. Look at what this thread is about: how great disruptive protest was in the 60s and 70s; how it needs to be brought back and applied to Gaza. It's curious that the suggestion is the Current Thing. Where's the justification for why Gaza deserves that? The animals are more deserving. Their slaughter, which is on an incredible scale, one overshadowing any violence of man to man, is an unequaled example of apathy. Not unlike what this thread recalls, it too, used to provoke anger enough to disrupt this wretched society. Why over the last decade and some has it been almost completely displaced by climate and Current Thing? Let's hear why the Current Thing, which is Gaza, deserves to be heard of the suffering of millions. Make the Argument.

It's become the current thing because Israel has every US politician by the balls so it can continue to force them to send money and weapons and run cover to support it slaughtering Palestinians. If Israel and US Zionists relinquished control of our government so we could treat Israel as a normal foreign country, I wouldn't care about Gaza anymore than I care about whatever's happening in Sudan.

>It is not comparable >your best comparison Bless your heart. You were just told precisely how precedented the war is. You mean you don't like the facts I stated. Okay. You are free to persuade as many midwits through emotional appeal as you like. It just won't work on me. Likewise I know whatever your vagueposted job is, it isn't one of authority. As I said, people like you get filtered out from consequential decisions, at least on the career side. >the single greatest individual humanitarian tragedy in the single largest military conflict in human history That's still the Holocaust, or WW2 genocides broadly. Funny how that slips your mind. The point of the comparison was a single night raid in a single city vs almost two years of this war. And the latter still didn't reach the former. Are you capable of toning yourself down by a factor of 500? No, you go the other way, extending that one raid to the whole world war so you can contort the comparison into using this biggest worstest ever rhetoric. >we have given them enough That a naive Libertarian argument like is the best you will ever have should give you pause. I find that when one drills down on the rare intellectual honest American foreign policy hater, someone like Chomsky, they sometimes fess up to all their indefensible hyperfocus on and bullshit about Israel, revealing this: they feel bad about violence in the world, but they also feel impotent, and complaining about the actions of other states that America sends money to feels like the only thing in their power. But what if you have it backwards? That money is Israel's leash. The few people actually as evil as you imagine would love it to come off. >They're reprehensible and so are you. The suffering caused by war is horrible. Bearing that weight is hard, harder still to do it long enough to understand, contextualize, and holistically evaluate a longstanding conflict with a firehose of propaganda. It is more than most can handle, so you react emotionally and simplify instead. It's unfortunate. I hope bigger hearts and minds than yours prevail.

>>5056

>>4939 As somebody whose profession makes me intimately familiar with contemporary war, Israel is committing atrocities at an unprecedented rate. I read reports on it every day. It is not comparable to any conventional conflict and the fact that your best comparison is the single greatest individual humanitarian tragedy in the single largest military conflict in human history should probably have given you pause. Hamas can barely be said to exist anymore and has been that way for months. Gaza is fucking gone. Israeli media for Israeli audiences doesn't even flit around the subject anymore, translate it from Hebrew and you can see standing politicians blatantly stating that they want all Palestinians dead to settle on their graves. Do not mistake this for liking Muslims. I want my country to stop piddling around in the Middle East and disowning Israel for their war crimes is step one in that process, we have given them enough and I can only hope the one positive outcome of this war is that their vice grip on Washington's balls is now too obvious to ignore. There is no reason to defend their behavior anymore outside of kneejerk lib-owning. They're reprehensible and so are you.

>we have given them enough >I can only hope the one positive outcome of this war is that their vice grip on Washington's balls is now too obvious to ignore Js have contributed more to American GDP than all the aid given to Israel

>>5085

>>5056 >we have given them enough >I can only hope the one positive outcome of this war is that their vice grip on Washington's balls is now too obvious to ignore Js have contributed more to American GDP than all the aid given to Israel

So you're basically saying we have to fund Israel because Jews are rich and it's where their true allegiance lies?

Umm my bad faith argument and intentional misreading of your sarcastic quip?? Hello????llll

>>5070

>>5051 It's become the current thing because Israel has every US politician by the balls so it can continue to force them to send money and weapons and run cover to support it slaughtering Palestinians. If Israel and US Zionists relinquished control of our government so we could treat Israel as a normal foreign country, I wouldn't care about Gaza anymore than I care about whatever's happening in Sudan.

It's become the Current Thing because people who care about animals are being replaced by those who don't. The Gaza people think that's a good thing. They want America to look like a mashup of Venezuela and Palestine, both 99% speciesist.

>>5075

>It is not comparable >your best comparison Bless your heart. You were just told precisely how precedented the war is. You mean you don't like the facts I stated. Okay. You are free to persuade as many midwits through emotional appeal as you like. It just won't work on me. Likewise I know whatever your vagueposted job is, it isn't one of authority. As I said, people like you get filtered out from consequential decisions, at least on the career side. >the single greatest individual humanitarian tragedy in the single largest military conflict in human history That's still the Holocaust, or WW2 genocides broadly. Funny how that slips your mind. The point of the comparison was a single night raid in a single city vs almost two years of this war. And the latter still didn't reach the former. Are you capable of toning yourself down by a factor of 500? No, you go the other way, extending that one raid to the whole world war so you can contort the comparison into using this biggest worstest ever rhetoric. >we have given them enough That a naive Libertarian argument like is the best you will ever have should give you pause. I find that when one drills down on the rare intellectual honest American foreign policy hater, someone like Chomsky, they sometimes fess up to all their indefensible hyperfocus on and bullshit about Israel, revealing this: they feel bad about violence in the world, but they also feel impotent, and complaining about the actions of other states that America sends money to feels like the only thing in their power. But what if you have it backwards? That money is Israel's leash. The few people actually as evil as you imagine would love it to come off. >They're reprehensible and so are you. The suffering caused by war is horrible. Bearing that weight is hard, harder still to do it long enough to understand, contextualize, and holistically evaluate a longstanding conflict with a firehose of propaganda. It is more than most can handle, so you react emotionally and simplify instead. It's unfortunate. I hope bigger hearts and minds than yours prevail.

The burning down of the capital of a continent-spanning empire just barely outkilling this civilian death toll (by conservative estimates) is a win in your eyes? >Likewise I know whatever your vagueposted job is, it isn't one of authority. As I said, people like you get filtered out from consequential decisions, at least on the career side. I have a commission signed by the President to exercise command in the name of the federal government. I am by no means a big fish but decision-making and authority in war defines my job. I am not a Libertarian, I am not a Chomskyist, I do not lean to the left, I'm just incredibly tired of the wheedling done by faggots like you to say we have no choice but to let Israel do whatever it wants. It is not an "indefensible hyperfocus," their influence has massively overgrown their utility to us. There are no other allies dragging us into pointless desert wars and no other allies gleefully burning our collective reputation with daily war crimes. As much as I despise the Saudis, even never made us drag carriers in to fight the Houthis despite being at war with them for years. >That money is Israel's leash. Their behavior has made it abundantly clear that they have no such leash. Biden set multiple red lines and changed nothing when those red lines were crossed. Look into the clusterfuck around the temporary pier we were supposed to use to bring in aid and the mysteriously timed assassination of NGO aid delivery vehicles during its planning period. Trump hasn't bothered to give them any lateral limits even notionally anymore. >You're just simplifying, you're just emotional, you don't get it I know more about this conflict than you do. I know more about defense policy than you do as well.

Ok, the specific topic aside (Israel v Gaza), I have thought it curious that political violence has all but vanished from the Western climate. The Weather Underground was not that long ago. Even in Western Europe this is true (that regular homegrown political violence has been quelled). So, intentionally ignoring the question of Israel v Gaza, I think it's worth asking what has happened. Maybe controversial, I don't think the economic outlook is bleaker. Well, it is, but it is much more comfortable than it was in the 1960s and 70s. The youth will be tied forever to debt and wagies, but the poverty class is continually vanishing (or at least shrinking, and with that shrinking, being more easily ignored and swept under the rug). Even the richest parts of the US had ramshackle poverty then. Now, the middle class is much plumper. The shocking nature of Vietnam also was twofold: grotesque media was new, and the war was seen as all victims, no winners (by the left). Mangled Americans enraged everyone, in addition to the widespread destruction of Vietnam, which was primarily championed by the left. Ubiquitous gore media and 24/7 news cycles mean that foreign wars have less effect. Additionally, capital M Media has gotten better at narrativizing and knowing what to broadcast: nobody would dare show injured or dead Americans now. It had an inverse effect, rather than a rallying one, of more imagery resulting in less enthusiasm for war. I don't necessarily want to think that the vanishing of political violence is all due to bread and circus. Mainly because there have been distractions throughout human history, so why should ours be different (though I will admit that mass media + digital media is much more pervasive and all consuming than what was previously around). I mean, I feel like the question still looms from the OP: why did the youth feel like rocking the boat then and not now?

>>5484

Ok, the specific topic aside (Israel v Gaza), I have thought it curious that political violence has all but vanished from the Western climate. The Weather Underground was not that long ago. Even in Western Europe this is true (that regular homegrown political violence has been quelled). So, intentionally ignoring the question of Israel v Gaza, I think it's worth asking what has happened. Maybe controversial, I don't think the economic outlook is bleaker. Well, it is, but it is much more comfortable than it was in the 1960s and 70s. The youth will be tied forever to debt and wagies, but the poverty class is continually vanishing (or at least shrinking, and with that shrinking, being more easily ignored and swept under the rug). Even the richest parts of the US had ramshackle poverty then. Now, the middle class is much plumper. The shocking nature of Vietnam also was twofold: grotesque media was new, and the war was seen as all victims, no winners (by the left). Mangled Americans enraged everyone, in addition to the widespread destruction of Vietnam, which was primarily championed by the left. Ubiquitous gore media and 24/7 news cycles mean that foreign wars have less effect. Additionally, capital M Media has gotten better at narrativizing and knowing what to broadcast: nobody would dare show injured or dead Americans now. It had an inverse effect, rather than a rallying one, of more imagery resulting in less enthusiasm for war. I don't necessarily want to think that the vanishing of political violence is all due to bread and circus. Mainly because there have been distractions throughout human history, so why should ours be different (though I will admit that mass media + digital media is much more pervasive and all consuming than what was previously around). I mean, I feel like the question still looms from the OP: why did the youth feel like rocking the boat then and not now?

please read >>4913

>>4906 (OP) Boomers saw themselves getting drafted and bleeding out in a jungle. Zoomies see themselves as their parasocial influencers. Their sense of how the world is going is 100% different

The answer to the question is THE DRAFT

Okay true, the draft adds a price of life and limb which push the draftee towards violence. Don't know if it explains the absence of all political violence, which has existed longer than a drafting system.

>>5148

>>5075 The burning down of the capital of a continent-spanning empire just barely outkilling this civilian death toll (by conservative estimates) is a win in your eyes? >Likewise I know whatever your vagueposted job is, it isn't one of authority. As I said, people like you get filtered out from consequential decisions, at least on the career side. I have a commission signed by the President to exercise command in the name of the federal government. I am by no means a big fish but decision-making and authority in war defines my job. I am not a Libertarian, I am not a Chomskyist, I do not lean to the left, I'm just incredibly tired of the wheedling done by faggots like you to say we have no choice but to let Israel do whatever it wants. It is not an "indefensible hyperfocus," their influence has massively overgrown their utility to us. There are no other allies dragging us into pointless desert wars and no other allies gleefully burning our collective reputation with daily war crimes. As much as I despise the Saudis, even never made us drag carriers in to fight the Houthis despite being at war with them for years. >That money is Israel's leash. Their behavior has made it abundantly clear that they have no such leash. Biden set multiple red lines and changed nothing when those red lines were crossed. Look into the clusterfuck around the temporary pier we were supposed to use to bring in aid and the mysteriously timed assassination of NGO aid delivery vehicles during its planning period. Trump hasn't bothered to give them any lateral limits even notionally anymore. >You're just simplifying, you're just emotional, you don't get it I know more about this conflict than you do. I know more about defense policy than you do as well.

I don't care about you personally or your crayon eating job, but I also really don't think you know jack shit about geopolitics. Or even basic facts. Like, what continent did Imperial Japan span? They didn't even get the Greater East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere they wanted. The US is not being dragged into the Israel-Hamas war. Not even a little bit. We don't even have a defense treaty. Unless you mean Hamas, who literally dragged American citizens into Gaza as hostages, killed them, and still hold their bodies? Or do they not figure into "we" and "us" to you? The Saudis aren't just blasting Houthis to smithereens with comparable US aid, they fucking did 9/11. And yes, it is an entirely indefensible, retarded hyperfocus. Half of Europe is made of ethnostates and you don't give a fuck. The entire Arab world ethnically cleansed themselves of the people who are now Israeli, you don't care. Ukraine is a bigger conflict right now, with a much higher chance of going nuclear. The death toll in Sudan is so much worse and you don't hear a peep about it, because the propaganda money and billion hateful Muslims to speak it isn't in that conflict, just the one with the Jews. And I already gave historical context and you wet your pants about that.

>>5505

>>5148 I don't care about you personally or your crayon eating job, but I also really don't think you know jack shit about geopolitics. Or even basic facts. Like, what continent did Imperial Japan span? They didn't even get the Greater East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere they wanted. The US is not being dragged into the Israel-Hamas war. Not even a little bit. We don't even have a defense treaty. Unless you mean Hamas, who literally dragged American citizens into Gaza as hostages, killed them, and still hold their bodies? Or do they not figure into "we" and "us" to you? The Saudis aren't just blasting Houthis to smithereens with comparable US aid, they fucking did 9/11. And yes, it is an entirely indefensible, retarded hyperfocus. Half of Europe is made of ethnostates and you don't give a fuck. The entire Arab world ethnically cleansed themselves of the people who are now Israeli, you don't care. Ukraine is a bigger conflict right now, with a much higher chance of going nuclear. The death toll in Sudan is so much worse and you don't hear a peep about it, because the propaganda money and billion hateful Muslims to speak it isn't in that conflict, just the one with the Jews. And I already gave historical context and you wet your pants about that.

you do not sound like a smart person.

>>5484

Ok, the specific topic aside (Israel v Gaza), I have thought it curious that political violence has all but vanished from the Western climate. The Weather Underground was not that long ago. Even in Western Europe this is true (that regular homegrown political violence has been quelled). So, intentionally ignoring the question of Israel v Gaza, I think it's worth asking what has happened. Maybe controversial, I don't think the economic outlook is bleaker. Well, it is, but it is much more comfortable than it was in the 1960s and 70s. The youth will be tied forever to debt and wagies, but the poverty class is continually vanishing (or at least shrinking, and with that shrinking, being more easily ignored and swept under the rug). Even the richest parts of the US had ramshackle poverty then. Now, the middle class is much plumper. The shocking nature of Vietnam also was twofold: grotesque media was new, and the war was seen as all victims, no winners (by the left). Mangled Americans enraged everyone, in addition to the widespread destruction of Vietnam, which was primarily championed by the left. Ubiquitous gore media and 24/7 news cycles mean that foreign wars have less effect. Additionally, capital M Media has gotten better at narrativizing and knowing what to broadcast: nobody would dare show injured or dead Americans now. It had an inverse effect, rather than a rallying one, of more imagery resulting in less enthusiasm for war. I don't necessarily want to think that the vanishing of political violence is all due to bread and circus. Mainly because there have been distractions throughout human history, so why should ours be different (though I will admit that mass media + digital media is much more pervasive and all consuming than what was previously around). I mean, I feel like the question still looms from the OP: why did the youth feel like rocking the boat then and not now?

>I have thought it curious that political violence has all but vanished from the Western climate. Have you heard about Islamist terrorism? Anarchist sabotage? Both have pretty developed networks in Europe (both sent people to fight in Syria, Spanish Brigades style). There is a lot more political violence than you think, it's just not labelled that way. Or it is perpetrated by people you don't think about when you think "our current youth".

>>5513

>>5484 >I have thought it curious that political violence has all but vanished from the Western climate. Have you heard about Islamist terrorism? Anarchist sabotage? Both have pretty developed networks in Europe (both sent people to fight in Syria, Spanish Brigades style). There is a lot more political violence than you think, it's just not labelled that way. Or it is perpetrated by people you don't think about when you think "our current youth".

OP wants young people to be HIS personal death squad killing opponents to HIS political ambitions, not serving anything else. >>5355 predicted all of this. "Someone else should guillotine all of my enemies for me."

>5511 Neither do you. I meet people at their level. Compassionate adult speech ends when someone calls me a faggot.

>>5516

>5511 Neither do you. I meet people at their level. Compassionate adult speech ends when someone calls me a faggot.

I'm not the guy you're arguing with, I'm just an observer here.

A significant portion of Palestinians are Jewish genetically, hence the Israeli state government and Netanyahu are anti-Semitic.

>>5513

>>5484 >I have thought it curious that political violence has all but vanished from the Western climate. Have you heard about Islamist terrorism? Anarchist sabotage? Both have pretty developed networks in Europe (both sent people to fight in Syria, Spanish Brigades style). There is a lot more political violence than you think, it's just not labelled that way. Or it is perpetrated by people you don't think about when you think "our current youth".

Yes, I thought Islamic terrorism would be a good counterexample, though it's not really the same type of internal political violence as Vietnam War protesting. I mean, yes, you can cite instances of citizens becoming radicalized and committing terrorist acts against their own nation, but generally Islamic terrorism is fuelled by external agents, funding, etc. Anarchists were once a group worth considering, I don't really know much about their current endeavors. But I don't think their acts are worth putting on the same scale. Yes, Rojava, etc. I do agree with you that the narrative and labels on political violence are highly centralized and lead to overseeing certain groups, etc.

>>5514

>>5513 OP wants young people to be HIS personal death squad killing opponents to HIS political ambitions, not serving anything else. >>5355 predicted all of this. "Someone else should guillotine all of my enemies for me."

Am not OP

>>5517

>>5516 I'm not the guy you're arguing with, I'm just an observer here.

I assumed you weren't that person. But offering nothing besides "you don't sound smart" likewise struck me as not sounding smart. Do you have something useful to say?

>>5522

>>5517 I assumed you weren't that person. But offering nothing besides "you don't sound smart" likewise struck me as not sounding smart. Do you have something useful to say?

I meet people at their level, so no I don't have anything useful to say.

>>5505

>>5148 I don't care about you personally or your crayon eating job, but I also really don't think you know jack shit about geopolitics. Or even basic facts. Like, what continent did Imperial Japan span? They didn't even get the Greater East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere they wanted. The US is not being dragged into the Israel-Hamas war. Not even a little bit. We don't even have a defense treaty. Unless you mean Hamas, who literally dragged American citizens into Gaza as hostages, killed them, and still hold their bodies? Or do they not figure into "we" and "us" to you? The Saudis aren't just blasting Houthis to smithereens with comparable US aid, they fucking did 9/11. And yes, it is an entirely indefensible, retarded hyperfocus. Half of Europe is made of ethnostates and you don't give a fuck. The entire Arab world ethnically cleansed themselves of the people who are now Israeli, you don't care. Ukraine is a bigger conflict right now, with a much higher chance of going nuclear. The death toll in Sudan is so much worse and you don't hear a peep about it, because the propaganda money and billion hateful Muslims to speak it isn't in that conflict, just the one with the Jews. And I already gave historical context and you wet your pants about that.

Why even argue if you're going to spend more breath being feisty and grumpy than addressing the topic at hand

>>5520

>>5513 Yes, I thought Islamic terrorism would be a good counterexample, though it's not really the same type of internal political violence as Vietnam War protesting. I mean, yes, you can cite instances of citizens becoming radicalized and committing terrorist acts against their own nation, but generally Islamic terrorism is fuelled by external agents, funding, etc. Anarchists were once a group worth considering, I don't really know much about their current endeavors. But I don't think their acts are worth putting on the same scale. Yes, Rojava, etc. I do agree with you that the narrative and labels on political violence are highly centralized and lead to overseeing certain groups, etc.

No offence, but you seem to be picking the facts that serve your idea of the world. How is Islamist terrorism a counter-example to political violence in the 60s and 70s? >but generally Islamic terrorism is fuelled by external agents, funding, etc. The USSR and the USA both funded political activists (some of them violent) on the left and on the right in Europe.

>>5527

>>5522 I meet people at their level, so no I don't have anything useful to say.

Rhetorical. Btw you're not an observer, just an even less capable speaker than the first guy. >>5528

>>5505 Why even argue if you're going to spend more breath being feisty and grumpy than addressing the topic at hand

Given the ur dumb, I know you are but what am I, and now your responding to tone rather than the 3 or 4 discrete points I replied to, then I agree, there's no gain on my end other than the inherent good of confronting moral relativism.

>>5532

>>5520 No offence, but you seem to be picking the facts that serve your idea of the world. How is Islamist terrorism a counter-example to political violence in the 60s and 70s? >but generally Islamic terrorism is fuelled by external agents, funding, etc. The USSR and the USA both funded political activists (some of them violent) on the left and on the right in Europe.

Maybe. I don't have a dog in the fight, so I don't really care. I meant it's a counter example to the assertion that political violence has diminished in the current year. That is true, "homegrown" terrorism might be more externally funded than one thinks.

I disagree, Americans are plenty violent of their own accord and only a small nudge is needed from the spooks to get them going about something, anything...

>>5535

>>5532 Maybe. I don't have a dog in the fight, so I don't really care. I meant it's a counter example to the assertion that political violence has diminished in the current year. That is true, "homegrown" terrorism might be more externally funded than one thinks.

>I meant it's a counter example to the assertion that political violence has diminished in the current year. Oh right, got you. I misunderstood.

I guess things might be heating up now...

>>5625

I guess things might be heating up now...

Iran is weak. Leftists pump it up like they pump up Russia and Gaza. Nothing ever happens.

>>5647

>>5625 Iran is weak. Leftists pump it up like they pump up Russia and Gaza. Nothing ever happens.

Honestly, I was referring to the double assassination in Minnesota, though that's also basically nothing ever happens because it was some low level reps that nobody cares about. I genuinely think Iran Israel will not be anything interesting, they do this every couple of years and it never becomes boots on the ground.

>>5650

>>5647 Honestly, I was referring to the double assassination in Minnesota, though that's also basically nothing ever happens because it was some low level reps that nobody cares about. I genuinely think Iran Israel will not be anything interesting, they do this every couple of years and it never becomes boots on the ground.

Missed that. Depressing stuff.

how about that LA stuff? immediately bringing the national guard in and telling BOTH the local and state government that they are "not needed" sure doesn't bode well

>>5650

>>5647 Honestly, I was referring to the double assassination in Minnesota, though that's also basically nothing ever happens because it was some low level reps that nobody cares about. I genuinely think Iran Israel will not be anything interesting, they do this every couple of years and it never becomes boots on the ground.

Talking about boots on the ground is a silly way of thinking about conflict that people who took superficial lessons from Iraq do. Israel had SOF and other agents in Iran and there's literal goat herder footage of their exfiltration. They don't need regular army in there when they have air supremacy.

>>5652

how about that LA stuff? immediately bringing the national guard in and telling BOTH the local and state government that they are "not needed" sure doesn't bode well

Day 1037594846 of "Surely THIS will inspire everyone else to guillotine my political enemies for me"

>>5657

>>5650 Talking about boots on the ground is a silly way of thinking about conflict that people who took superficial lessons from Iraq do. Israel had SOF and other agents in Iran and there's literal goat herder footage of their exfiltration. They don't need regular army in there when they have air supremacy.

What makes you say that? I would think that the lesson from Iraq is that all forms of combat supremacy mean nothing if you do not fully commit to a ground invasion and political takeover. Even then, insurgency survives without going door to door. Israel will have to essentially glass Gaza to end their Palestinian problem.

>>6015

>>5657 What makes you say that? I would think that the lesson from Iraq is that all forms of combat supremacy mean nothing if you do not fully commit to a ground invasion and political takeover. Even then, insurgency survives without going door to door. Israel will have to essentially glass Gaza to end their Palestinian problem.

The opposite. "Fully commit to a ground invasion" in reality always meant a 50-100 year project that no politician could ever be honest about because Americans would never accept that. "You break it, you buy it" was always a terrible moral based in idealism. We should instead adopt a strategy of >cripples military >decapitates regime >"let that be a lesson to you!" >leaves I think a lot of people don't know jack shit about Iraq, including the fact that we were indeed "greeted as liberators" in the first couple days/weeks. It really didn't take long to win the state vs state fight. But those same people saying "hurray, thanks" we also muttering "okay now get the fuck out" and we just... didn't. For ideological reasons I doubt the neocons would have left when they should have even if we'd gotten Saddam early, but if we had, it would have been the same sectarian conflict it was with us there, possibly less, without the blood or treasure lost. Israel's problem with Gaza is a different beast. It wasn't just a Hamas cheering on the streets October 7th. The overwhelming majority of the population is Israel's enemy. Contrast that with Iran, where it's really about 20%, maybe less, holding a country that would rather get along with the international community hostage.