What novels, plays, short stories, or poems get a rise out of you? Off the top of my head: Catch-22 Titus Andronicus Slaughterhouse-Five Goblin Market Trainspotting Bonfire of the Vanities Fear and Loathing (and the Kentucky Derby) A Modest Proposal
Anonymous :
57 days ago :
No.4564
>>5034
>>4564 (OP)
These aren't disturbing in a visceral way. Neither the kinds of men and women who produced these works, nor the audiences for which they were intended, have existed for a long time. Yes, you can enter the mind-world of the texts, but that isn't visceral, and doesn't get a spontaneous rise out of you.
If we can extend to movies:
Sálo, or the 120 days of Sodom
Titane
Caligula
Or painting:
Francis Bacon
Lucian Freud
The immediacy of the image has none of the medium difficulty inherent to literature and music.
Why do those make you angry?
Anonymous :
57 days ago :
No.4576
>>4580
>>4576
Joyce's Dubliners kinda had this effect on me, I wanted to go around declaiming from it like a lay preacher.
I thought Waiting for Godot was okay but a classmate of mine was just totally blown to pieces by the absurdism of it all and it gave me the fucking ick because I couldn't figure out why this play was so mindblowing to him or why he kept bringing it up like he read the fucking Quran
>>4576
I thought Waiting for Godot was okay but a classmate of mine was just totally blown to pieces by the absurdism of it all and it gave me the fucking ick because I couldn't figure out why this play was so mindblowing to him or why he kept bringing it up like he read the fucking Quran
Joyce's Dubliners kinda had this effect on me, I wanted to go around declaiming from it like a lay preacher.
Anonymous :
47 days ago :
No.5034
>>5047
>>5034
Cannibal Holocaust
Ivan Albright
>>5457>>5034
I think OP meant "rise" as in humorous, a misunderstanding of the idiom. At least, that's the only thread I can interpret among the listed works.
>>4564 (OP)
These aren't disturbing in a visceral way. Neither the kinds of men and women who produced these works, nor the audiences for which they were intended, have existed for a long time. Yes, you can enter the mind-world of the texts, but that isn't visceral, and doesn't get a spontaneous rise out of you.
If we can extend to movies:
Sálo, or the 120 days of Sodom
Titane
Caligula
Or painting:
Francis Bacon
Lucian Freud
The immediacy of the image has none of the medium difficulty inherent to literature and music.
>>5034
>>4564 (OP)
These aren't disturbing in a visceral way. Neither the kinds of men and women who produced these works, nor the audiences for which they were intended, have existed for a long time. Yes, you can enter the mind-world of the texts, but that isn't visceral, and doesn't get a spontaneous rise out of you.
If we can extend to movies:
Sálo, or the 120 days of Sodom
Titane
Caligula
Or painting:
Francis Bacon
Lucian Freud
The immediacy of the image has none of the medium difficulty inherent to literature and music.
Cannibal Holocaust
Ivan Albright
>>5034
>>4564 (OP)
These aren't disturbing in a visceral way. Neither the kinds of men and women who produced these works, nor the audiences for which they were intended, have existed for a long time. Yes, you can enter the mind-world of the texts, but that isn't visceral, and doesn't get a spontaneous rise out of you.
If we can extend to movies:
Sálo, or the 120 days of Sodom
Titane
Caligula
Or painting:
Francis Bacon
Lucian Freud
The immediacy of the image has none of the medium difficulty inherent to literature and music.
I think OP meant "rise" as in humorous, a misunderstanding of the idiom. At least, that's the only thread I can interpret among the listed works.
Kolyma Tales.
It tought me that there is no limit to how deep the crab bucket goes. It is begin the work at home, and only doing one's own work, and in completeness, or it is the Gulag.
THE FEMINIST BY TONY TULATHIMUTTE
Anonymous :
32 days ago :
No.5487
>>5496
>>5487
It's ok, friend. I understood what you were getting at, even if everyone else failed. I think Aristophanes' Clouds is still very funny. Also, Austen is actually pretty witty too. Shakespeare's comedies, too.
>>5447
yes thank you. I was to embarrassed to correct myself lol.
t. ESL retard
>5487
too* fuck
Fuck delete one of those toos
Anonymous :
28 days ago :
No.5590
>>5591
>>5590
1) why would violence as absurd interpretation necessitate one is a "timid academic"
2) why does it matter what secondary writers on Shakespeare think?
I don't know the secondary literature on Titus or Shakespeare in general. It doesn't seem far fetched to think that the plays violence is over the top.
not a huge fan of it anyway.
>>5589
>>5583
that sounds like a question for op regarding why he considers it funny, considering he agreed with my explanation for the confusion, not a disagreement with me. also, it's not a comedy for sure, but it's definitely absurd in its violence.
>absurd in its violence
that's timid academics being scared of a more manly and thus violent people than those alive now. do you know of *any* writer on Shakespeare's plays before 1900 who thought they depicted violence as absurd or ironic?
>>5590
>>5589
>absurd in its violence
that's timid academics being scared of a more manly and thus violent people than those alive now. do you know of *any* writer on Shakespeare's plays before 1900 who thought they depicted violence as absurd or ironic?
1) why would violence as absurd interpretation necessitate one is a "timid academic"
2) why does it matter what secondary writers on Shakespeare think?
I don't know the secondary literature on Titus or Shakespeare in general. It doesn't seem far fetched to think that the plays violence is over the top.
not a huge fan of it anyway.
<<5591
you are assuming relativism: that there can be valid contradictory statements on the same aspect of a work. that's a mistake
the point is that academics like to project their preferences (Beckettian Camusian Kafkaesque surrealist absurdism) onto past works. preferences that are against fighting of all kinds. timid preferences.
academics are now a species of journalist and like talking about the Current Thing not aiming for the truth
academics say the same thing about Homer, that he is showing how absurd war is. where is the evidence in the text? they point to the detailed descriptions of violence as if that is an argument by itself. they can't conceive of a world that thinks highly of victory in war
plays loaded with violence were common at the time Titus was performed.
irony and absurdism are part of Shakespeare's work. but the usual form for irony in Shakespeare, like arrogant boasts, is only loosely connected to fighting in the plays. it's about the tragic hero, as it was classically