/pt/ – Petrarchan

So... are people talking to each other in the streets, or are people watching their reflection on dark screens?

How did you even manage to post this? I had no access to the Internet until now lol. Part of me was hoping they wouldn't fix it until after midnight so that I could see the milky way with no light pollution...

>>3595

So... are people talking to each other in the streets, or are people watching their reflection on dark screens?

I just went for a walk through the neighborhood and the only difference was more kids playing outside and maybe fewer cars, but there was no significant change (buses working as usual for example). The only people who were fucked up when it happened about 7 hrs ago were the ones who got stuck in elevators or underground trains (happened to a friend).

Why could the Spanish and Portuguese not into electricity? Inherent Europoor-ness? Underwater Russian espionage? Renewed Basque terrorism? I always enjoy a power outage. I unfortunately require force to separate from electric pacifiers.

>>3604

Why could the Spanish and Portuguese not into electricity? Inherent Europoor-ness? Underwater Russian espionage? Renewed Basque terrorism? I always enjoy a power outage. I unfortunately require force to separate from electric pacifiers.

Well Portugal is for all practical purposes an Eastern European enclave and Spain is either seen as a vacation resort for nords or part of Mexico somehow (which is the same as saying a vacation resort but the tourists are surprised to see so many whites). I joked with my family that they were starting to fix the electricity in the Basque Country first so that they wouldn't get angry and start blowing things up again. And while a few people were saying it was the Russians, no one took it too seriously. I also enjoy power outages myself and as I said before I was hoping it would last longer, but overall it's better that everything is working again because it has already done enough damage. And to add to >>3603

>>3595 I just went for a walk through the neighborhood and the only difference was more kids playing outside and maybe fewer cars, but there was no significant change (buses working as usual for example). The only people who were fucked up when it happened about 7 hrs ago were the ones who got stuck in elevators or underground trains (happened to a friend).

it's also the first time in years people have exclusively relied on the radio to get news.

>>3607

>>3604 Well Portugal is for all practical purposes an Eastern European enclave and Spain is either seen as a vacation resort for nords or part of Mexico somehow (which is the same as saying a vacation resort but the tourists are surprised to see so many whites). I joked with my family that they were starting to fix the electricity in the Basque Country first so that they wouldn't get angry and start blowing things up again. And while a few people were saying it was the Russians, no one took it too seriously. I also enjoy power outages myself and as I said before I was hoping it would last longer, but overall it's better that everything is working again because it has already done enough damage. And to add to >>3603 it's also the first time in years people have exclusively relied on the radio to get news.

this post took 20 minutes to send :/

haha platatoes

>>3603

>>3595 I just went for a walk through the neighborhood and the only difference was more kids playing outside and maybe fewer cars, but there was no significant change (buses working as usual for example). The only people who were fucked up when it happened about 7 hrs ago were the ones who got stuck in elevators or underground trains (happened to a friend).

Damn that's a new fear for me, getting stuck in an elevator sounds horrible.

Might try and buy a cheap wind up radio as a contingency in case this ever happens where I live.

>>3630

>>3603 Damn that's a new fear for me, getting stuck in an elevator sounds horrible.

Yeah one of the first things they started to emphasize on the radio was that people had to let firefighter trucks drive unimpeded and not call 112 for things that weren't essential, because emergency services were primarily focused on getting people out of elevators and other closed spaces in public buildings. I also heard a doctor saying that they had had to indefinitely postpone all surgeries scheduled for the rest of the day because they had to allocate their energy reserves to people that genuinely needed it, like those on life support. That was pretty much the only thing that worried me about the blackout, which admittedly was kind of cool otherwise, especially when I learned that it hadn't been my local transformer throwing a fit for once. As for my friend who was in the underground metro when it happened, he said the lights in the platform turned off, the lights inside the train turned off and at first the doors wouldn't open. Very unsettling for a few minutes obviously. And when we learned that it was happening internationally, some people seriously believed that it was some sort of attack. >>3631

Might try and buy a cheap wind up radio as a contingency in case this ever happens where I live.

It's a good idea. This was the first time in years I had used a radio and the first time in my life it had been essential, so it definitely came in handy. When I was listening to the first broadcasts I was shocked when they stopped reporting to leave time for a few ads as if it was a regular day. Like, the entirety of southeastern Europe, tens of millions of people, have no electricity, and if I want to know how the country is managing it I have to sit through ads? I knew that the theory of a hostile attack was basically impossible but we really had no idea, so missiles could be flying and there I was, listening to a Carglass commercial.

>>3631

Might try and buy a cheap wind up radio as a contingency in case this ever happens where I live.

Unpreparedness in Europe is pretty alarming. In other countries used to earthquakes, storms etc. every house has a radio, batteries, candles, matches and a few bottles of water or a water tank. These are the basics to have in any home.

>>3718

>>3631 Unpreparedness in Europe is pretty alarming. In other countries used to earthquakes, storms etc. every house has a radio, batteries, candles, matches and a few bottles of water or a water tank. These are the basics to have in any home.

Bullshit lmao any European villager will outlive any Yankistani plastic tub semiauto 'prepper' when the shit really hits.

Funny how people on Instagram framed it like the outage made everyone go outside all of the sudden but the only difference was more kids playing outside and fewer cars. I already suspected those videos seemed way too aggravated. I have never experienced something like that, I would probably feel the same way as you in a power outage, especially with nice spring weather, but it wouldn’t be worth the damage it would cause.

>>4185

Funny how people on Instagram framed it like the outage made everyone go outside all of the sudden but the only difference was more kids playing outside and fewer cars. I already suspected those videos seemed way too aggravated. I have never experienced something like that, I would probably feel the same way as you in a power outage, especially with nice spring weather, but it wouldn’t be worth the damage it would cause.

I don't have instagram but I can imagine that there's always people willing to exaggerate anything to get clout. Maybe it depends on the area, though. I'm from a residential zone right outside of Madrid, and my street is mostly elderly people who only go outside to talk to the other elderly neighbors. So it didn't make much of a difference, because they turned on the radio instead of the TV and went to their doorsteps to talk about how the country is going to shit, just like any other day. It's still possible that those living in more populated areas with more families and younger people did see a meaningful change in the streets, but I doubt it was the spiritual experience many are trying to paint it as. Not to concede to the "nothing ever happens" crowd, but it's going to take more than a day without electricity (but with water, gas and emergency reserves) for everyone to talk to each other face to face and work on fixing serious issues. Like you said, it wasn't worth the damage, and now the government is being forced to write a report for the EU detailing how it happened while Portugal and France look down on us. Also, 150 meters (like 500 feet) of copper cable was stolen from the train tracks in Toledo this Monday. Well over ten thousand people couldn't travel, and we have no idea who did it. The government is so clueless that they've started claiming both things must have been a sabotage. It's fucking embarrassing. At least the weather is nice. The day of the outage felt like one of those hot summer days where the streets are a little emptier and calmer, but without the scorching heat.

It’s because our government is incompetent and hostage to delusional feminists (not joking, we have an “equality ministry” where they stick party members with fake jobs) and separatist parties with political stances and policies so divided that our country hasn’t even had a budget since 2020 and the government has to pop their ass out and dance to the Catalans and the Basques to get anything done in exchange for more and more and more aid to the two communities at the cost of every other Spaniard’s dollars. We see how that’s going. Our infrastructure is run by people who have no experience and are mere PSOE stooges earning half a million dollars a year for showing up to the office once a week like in the fucking Sopranos which is what caused the outage in the first place because our incompetent public energy company run by a party stooge didn’t implement renewable energy correctly but the government is blaming nuclear power plants for some fucking reason and outright lying about our uranium deposits even tho we had to rely on French energy to help get power back to our northern regions and guess what energy source France uses for much of its electricity. But Western neolibs and socialists alike cum and piss their pants at the mention of le epic Perro Sanchez even tho he is a narcissistic incompetent corrupt professional liar who has flip-flopped on so many issues he is an entire pancake company by now and who has his wife and his brother indicted for corruption charges which instead of acknowledging he and his minions choose to personally attack the judges like some kind of neoliberal feminist Trump government. The train issue probably wouldn’t have happened either if our ministry of transport wasn’t run by an infantile inexperienced cocaine user who got caught driving prostitutes to PSOE party HQ at Castile and Leon back when he was a local politician there. And it’s not even just this event, our entire train system has been failing for over a year now, our public healthcare while competent is stretched incredibly thin and the government won’t help because they’re more worried wasting millions of euros on 2016-level feminist ad campaigns and celebrations for Franco’s 50th dead anniversary and the PM’s private jet costs. Don’t even get me started on our public education system. The economy is still reliant on tourism and our only other major sectors are corrupt banks, inefficient infrastructure companies run by political stooges, snack factories and renewables which as the blackout showed we haven’t managed to implement well and which we barely export. Our only alternative parties are PP which is just as corrupt as PSOE but has less affinity for idpol and more for cutting social programs, Sumar which is run by incompetent hysterical middle-aged women and gay guys and supported by the same demographic of people, VOX which doesn’t know how to do anything but be mildly populist, and every other party is either separatist or irrelevant. But the population of my country is incredibly docile and fallible and manipulable so there are no protests no strikes no new parties no demand for change absolutely nothing so this will never change because Spain is a nation of sheep. I’m so fucking depressed about the state of my country.

Every non-core country above the standard of a failed state shithole is going though roughly the same thing right now. Everyone of them writes the same thing in this really pained tone to try and convince all the other people of the world (read: westerners) that what they are going through is *just the worst*. I say that not to categorically deny the issues themselves but to place them in a more universal framework of global context that hopefully takes away that sting of "my country is a mess" that seems to pervade each rant.

II. The rants sound self-deprecating and woeful but they're actually a covert kind of not only jealously at "countries/societies that work properly" (spoiler: not really anyone is doing that great right now). Not only that, the subtext here is that one's own society deserves better, should be in a better position, simply because they're not a 'one of those African countries'. It's self-soothing while at the same time sounding humble.

III. Americans and other westerners should know that often the smartest and most willpowered people in any given 'foreign country' don't bother posting long screeds for English-speakers to read and be influenced by. The ones that do are almost universally reddit-tier techies/gamers.

Great moralizing there man. Of course I know that my country is not nearly as bad as sub-Saharan Africa or the Middle East or India or South America, but does that mean I can’t complain about it? Doing better than Uganda shouldn’t be the metric you use to say “ok we don’t have to make the situation better it’s fine as it is”. Our population under the poverty line is one of the highest in Europe, our youth unemployment is higher than even Greece’s, and we are among the worst in European corruption indexes. Within a few years if things don’t change we’ll be doing worse than Poland, and I know that Poland has developed incredibly since the 90’s but it’s still a pretty clear indicator that we’re lagging behind. Most of the youth leave because there is simply no future for them in this country. Science funding is practically nonexistent in both government and private sectors when compared to other Schengen nations. Our biggest national invention is the mop, table football and a prototype of the submarine made in the 19th century by a man whose advancements weren’t recognized by the government and who ended up selling his knowledge to Germany, a tale as old as time here in Spain. Where do you get the fucking idea that my post is somehow a smug stab at poor countries? Where do I imply we should be doing better because we’re not black? That’s a social media poisoned take. As much as you complain about my posts being whiny, you don’t seem to hold the same energy to your own post complaining about my posts being complaining about my country over some imagined racist privileged western boogeyman.

Can both of you shut up and go outside bruh

You don't have very good reading comprehension, do you?

Dude shut your smug Redditor soyjak ass up with your “media literacy” bullshit and go outside and stop arguing about useless bullshit in an obscure internet feature

>t. dimwit

Oh I’m sorry I don’t have PhD in ways to talk shit on niche internet forums, my apologies to you and that Spaniard guy complaining about his country. Tipping my fedora, fellow Redditor!

I apologise for the my previous comments. Look man, I get it. I just got a bit off it. Let’s just chill out and end this discussion because I think all 3 (4?) of us have more important things to do and we shouldn’t act so rudely.

Please, do not apologize. You gave me a hearty laugh after you went on your little rant about media literacy when I didn't say the word "media" once, thus proving me right that most people here are illiterate impulsive mongs.

That was the Spaniard tho I’m the guy who called you a Redditor

Oh wait that was me lol

Ok so dude look I was off my rocker a bit and I saw you two arguing and I saw you were being smug so I started posting that ok but glad I could make you laugh

>>4284

It’s because our government is incompetent and hostage to delusional feminists (not joking, we have an “equality ministry” where they stick party members with fake jobs) and separatist parties with political stances and policies so divided that our country hasn’t even had a budget since 2020 and the government has to pop their ass out and dance to the Catalans and the Basques to get anything done in exchange for more and more and more aid to the two communities at the cost of every other Spaniard’s dollars. We see how that’s going. Our infrastructure is run by people who have no experience and are mere PSOE stooges earning half a million dollars a year for showing up to the office once a week like in the fucking Sopranos which is what caused the outage in the first place because our incompetent public energy company run by a party stooge didn’t implement renewable energy correctly but the government is blaming nuclear power plants for some fucking reason and outright lying about our uranium deposits even tho we had to rely on French energy to help get power back to our northern regions and guess what energy source France uses for much of its electricity. But Western neolibs and socialists alike cum and piss their pants at the mention of le epic Perro Sanchez even tho he is a narcissistic incompetent corrupt professional liar who has flip-flopped on so many issues he is an entire pancake company by now and who has his wife and his brother indicted for corruption charges which instead of acknowledging he and his minions choose to personally attack the judges like some kind of neoliberal feminist Trump government. The train issue probably wouldn’t have happened either if our ministry of transport wasn’t run by an infantile inexperienced cocaine user who got caught driving prostitutes to PSOE party HQ at Castile and Leon back when he was a local politician there. And it’s not even just this event, our entire train system has been failing for over a year now, our public healthcare while competent is stretched incredibly thin and the government won’t help because they’re more worried wasting millions of euros on 2016-level feminist ad campaigns and celebrations for Franco’s 50th dead anniversary and the PM’s private jet costs. Don’t even get me started on our public education system. The economy is still reliant on tourism and our only other major sectors are corrupt banks, inefficient infrastructure companies run by political stooges, snack factories and renewables which as the blackout showed we haven’t managed to implement well and which we barely export. Our only alternative parties are PP which is just as corrupt as PSOE but has less affinity for idpol and more for cutting social programs, Sumar which is run by incompetent hysterical middle-aged women and gay guys and supported by the same demographic of people, VOX which doesn’t know how to do anything but be mildly populist, and every other party is either separatist or irrelevant. But the population of my country is incredibly docile and fallible and manipulable so there are no protests no strikes no new parties no demand for change absolutely nothing so this will never change because Spain is a nation of sheep. I’m so fucking depressed about the state of my country.

I'm the Spaniard that posted right above you and other times before that (I'm not OP though, I guess there's at least three Iberians in petrarchan). The idea that people could be conflating us as one person embarrasses me. Yeah I get it, the country is going to shit, and we've had an awful last few years demonstrating just that. But come on, man. I genuinely don't know what to tell you about it other than please get your head out of your ass. Just like the other anon told you, the majority of people in the world are living way worse than us, and people in other developed countries also have legitimate and similar concerns to ours. We live considerably better than Americans and even if our employment is in shambles (agree with your complaints about tourism though, absolutely loathe it), we also live better than people in many other European countries. The funniest part to me is the start of your rant though. It never fails. It's always the fault of those woke and evil feminists and leftists, woe is me! I'm the first one to criticize performative activism and irresponsible/corrupt spending, and our government is excellent at doing those two, but you have to be kidding me if you think it's within the top issues our country faces, Yet you all always mention it first as if it was the reason everything sucks. It's so willfully ignorant. Were you the one talking about media literacy? Because if so it's hilarious because you definitely could use some. It's always the same story. A few people are very loud about stupid things, they get covertly blamed for bringing conflict that was actually already there, and then regular people can use them as ideological punching bags to feel intelligent and morally correct without actually looking at the real issues. If the "wokes" are annoying, just ignore them for fuck's sake. Don't give them attention, don't engage with them, don't give them power they don't have. You might as well be one of them if you do all of that too. I have never felt like I fit in this country despite being from here and never having left it. But still, it deserves some credit. Just stop raging about the state of the government like a regressive middle aged man, because it accomplishes nothing and makes us all look delusional.

I’m the media literacy guy not the guy you quoted. I’m not the dude who told you to get A PhD tho so idk

I am convinced that none of you are real people and that this thread, at least the posts since >>4185

Funny how people on Instagram framed it like the outage made everyone go outside all of the sudden but the only difference was more kids playing outside and fewer cars. I already suspected those videos seemed way too aggravated. I have never experienced something like that, I would probably feel the same way as you in a power outage, especially with nice spring weather, but it wouldn’t be worth the damage it would cause.

, are all just OP arguing with himself using multiple sock puppet accounts to prop his dead thread up for some reason. None of you “guys” sound like real people and you all use similar speech patterns. The Spaniard who made that long complaining post sounds like an over exaggerated caricature of a “the west has fallen” doomer, the guy who goes up against him is such a classic depiction of a smug pseudo-intellectual Redditor who likes to use big words and tips fedoras (“you gave me a hearty laugh”, please give me a break you’re not on r/atheism), and then there’s just that one or maybe two guys who pop up to talk shit for seemingly no real reason. I’m convinced all of these accounts are run by the same guy, and that guy is OP. He’s trying to prop his own thread up with fake discussion for no real reason but to help it get to the front page of Petrarchan. I don’t know why you’re doing this but please stop this is a dead thread anyways.

>>4385

ok I haven't implemented post locking but please chill out now

three different IPs since 4185 fwiw

>>4358

I am convinced that none of you are real people and that this thread, at least the posts since >>4185, are all just OP arguing with himself using multiple sock puppet accounts to prop his dead thread up for some reason. None of you “guys” sound like real people and you all use similar speech patterns. The Spaniard who made that long complaining post sounds like an over exaggerated caricature of a “the west has fallen” doomer, the guy who goes up against him is such a classic depiction of a smug pseudo-intellectual Redditor who likes to use big words and tips fedoras (“you gave me a hearty laugh”, please give me a break you’re not on r/atheism), and then there’s just that one or maybe two guys who pop up to talk shit for seemingly no real reason. I’m convinced all of these accounts are run by the same guy, and that guy is OP. He’s trying to prop his own thread up with fake discussion for no real reason but to help it get to the front page of Petrarchan. I don’t know why you’re doing this but please stop this is a dead thread anyways.

sorry

ah, the age old tale of the schizoposter

>>4358

I am convinced that none of you are real people and that this thread, at least the posts since >>4185, are all just OP arguing with himself using multiple sock puppet accounts to prop his dead thread up for some reason. None of you “guys” sound like real people and you all use similar speech patterns. The Spaniard who made that long complaining post sounds like an over exaggerated caricature of a “the west has fallen” doomer, the guy who goes up against him is such a classic depiction of a smug pseudo-intellectual Redditor who likes to use big words and tips fedoras (“you gave me a hearty laugh”, please give me a break you’re not on r/atheism), and then there’s just that one or maybe two guys who pop up to talk shit for seemingly no real reason. I’m convinced all of these accounts are run by the same guy, and that guy is OP. He’s trying to prop his own thread up with fake discussion for no real reason but to help it get to the front page of Petrarchan. I don’t know why you’re doing this but please stop this is a dead thread anyways.

It is not that hard to follow what is going on. This is your first week on an imageboard seemingly, so you have not developed the skill to track three separate people talking anonymously based only on the minute context provided by an imageboard. You doth protest too much and betray your own reddit roots while crying that others are redditors by referring to 'accounts'; none of us have registered for an account on petrarchan.com. If you have, you may be the victim of a phishing attack. Attacks on people being too erudite or using too many long words they didn't teach you in Sesame Street is retard American behavior. gb2 xitter or Instagram

Oh I know I fucking know ok I know I know I know what you don’t know is that this had all been planned I mean 12:33:16 AM you fucking kidding me that’s so obvious ha ha you think it’s not clear what that means of course it was planned fucking cunt ha ha oh but I get it okay I fucking get it so one day you’ll see it huh go back to r/redscarepod he he he nah fuck fuck fuck he was shot on Harrison Ford’s birthday then he gets shot in the fucking movie and he turns into a red demon I mean I know it’s cape shit but they like their symbols and shit and oh oh oh everyone here is so fucking tough with their keyboards and their Samsungs and and their iPhones and their fingers and I didn’t watch Sesame Street growing up btw also why so fucking mad why so fucking angry ha ha ha oh I know you’re the guy who complained about colonialism and who knows maybe I’m OP ha ha oh but the mods have my IPs they know ofc they fucking know also I have posted on image boards before ik there is no account here but you get what I mean don’t be so fucking cunty you know you fucking dirty cocksucker where da fuck do you think you are huh oh I know this place is for jerk-offs and sucking cocks and to discuss random French intellectuals from the 1960’s who signed a petition to legalise pedophilia and shit and oh oh oh you don’t realise this is spectacle this is synchronicity this is all this is all also I thank 4360 for apologising even tho I know it’s not op and >>4365

>>4358 It is not that hard to follow what is going on. This is your first week on an imageboard seemingly, so you have not developed the skill to track three separate people talking anonymously based only on the minute context provided by an imageboard. You doth protest too much and betray your own reddit roots while crying that others are redditors by referring to 'accounts'; none of us have registered for an account on petrarchan.com. If you have, you may be the victim of a phishing attack. Attacks on people being too erudite or using too many long words they didn't teach you in Sesame Street is retard American behavior. gb2 xitter or Instagram

I know you’re that guy ok I know I fucking know and now the mod will come in and reveal everything but I don’t fucking care this board is only frequented by like 70 people anyway fuck

Oh ha ha ha ha you think you’re marshal McLuhan huh writing about Omaha and Salt Lake City and coronado in San Diego and did you know about what’s under NAS China Lake ha ha China China like a chinaman with chopsticks and oh fuck fuck fuck fuck I can’t fucking do this I’m tired I’m tired why am I so fucking dramatic ha ha ha but fuck fuck do you know my friend Oliver Morris from San Diego he’s a hyperactive fuck and ha ha what is this sorry excuse of a schizo post oh fuck fuck will you lock the thread?

Is this all there is

The CIA killed JFK and RFK (and may have also set up Ted at Chappaquiddick and downed JFK Jr’s plane) The Operation GLADIO-style strategy of tension was not limited to Europe and it never really ended. These tactics and semi-directed mass terror incidents were heavily utilized in the United States as well, and in fact still are (Manson murders, Son of Sam, Boston Strangler, Zodiac murders, Symbionese Liberation Army, the Unabomber, OKC bombing, 1993 WTC bombing, Columbine, DC beltway snipers, Las Vegas shooting, Boston Marathon bombing, Sandy Hook, Pulse Nightclub, Parkland, Gretchen Whitmer kidnapping plot, January 6, etc). Narratives about mass shootings being fake and using crisis actors are deliberately promoted by U.S. intelligence to associate anyone who questions the official narratives of these shootings with callous assholes who harass grieving parents. In numerous mass shootings, there is clear evidence of multiple shooters, foreknowledge from police and intelligence, and connections to larger organized white supremacist terror networks, but by ensuring that the only well known alternative narrative to these events is “they were fake,” the powers that be make questioning the true nature of these tragedies taboo. The concept of a “serial killer” was made up to pin numerous killings, often by multiple individuals, with material motives on a single fall-guy with apparently pathological motives. When these killers are looked into further, it soon becomes clear that they fit snuggly into the nexus of organized drug trafficking, organized human trafficking and CSAM/snuff film production, and American intelligence. 9/11 was a false flag, and so were the 2001 anthrax attacks and the 7/7 bombings in the UK. The 60s counterculture was manufactured by US intelligence to discredit the anti-war and civil rights movements and redirect young people down a path of pseudo-radical bourgeois individualism. Many musicians of that era were, whether they knew it or not, in on it. Richard Nixon did not order the Watergate break-in, and it was probably deliberately botched to bring Nixon down. Many suspicious plane crashes are actually assassinations (Omar Torrijos, Samora Machel, Dag Hammarskjold, Gary Caradori, Paul Wellstone, Dorothy Hunt, Ron Brown, Jaime Roldos Aguilera, etc). Olof Palme was killed by American and South African intelligence with the help of fascist Swedish paramilitaries. Hugo Chavez, Joseph Stalin, Franklin Roosevelt, Gamal Abdel Nasser, Yasser Arafat, Zachary Taylor, and Bob Marley did not die of natural causes. South African intelligence weaponized AIDS in against black people in Mozambique and within South Africa. It is possible that it was weaponized against minorities in the U.S. as well. COVID-19 originated from Fort Detrick in Maryland. Jim Jones was CIA. A decent chunk of the so-called “Satanic Panic” was real, and the narratives about “rock music and d&d corrupting the youth” were intentionally spread to discredit genuine cases of organized abuse, sometimes linked to the government. The False Memory Syndrome Foundation was at the forefront of “debunking” not only cases of ritual abuse, but cases of abuse in general. The organization was founded by a number of accused predators, and the last major person they defended against allegations was Harvey Weinstein, and yet people still to this day cite them to discredit abuse at places like McMartin, the Presidio, and the Franklin Scandal. Both Gary Webb and Danny Casolaro were murdered by the CIA. Many UFO sightings are actually experimental government aircraft, but the state actively promotes the idea that these are aliens to cover it up. Also, many alien abductions are actually MK-Ultra style mind control experiments. Sometimes faked alien abductions are even used for counterintelligence, like with the Betty and Barney Hill case. The Trump assassination attempt in Pennsylvania was fake. Angela Davis is an informant. John Hinkley Jr, Mark David Chapman, Arthur Bremer, Sirhan Sirhan, and others were Manchurian Candidates. They deliberately blew up the levees to flood low income black neighborhoods during Hurricane Katrina. The 2000 and 2004 elections were stolen. The DNC rigged the 2016 and 2020 primaries against Bernie Sanders. Reports of Gary Hart’s affair were leaked in order to sink his presidential campaign. Leon Czolgosz was a police informant, and the McKinley assassination may have been one of the earliest examples of a GLADIO-style operation. Many well known occultists, including Aleister Crowley, Anton LeVey, and L. Ron Hubbard were intelligence assets. Q-Anon is a psyop. The CIA is responsible for Gough Whitlam’s removal from office. Trotsky collaborated with the Axis powers against Stalin and the Soviet Union. The U.S. media trots out articles about Saudi involvement in 9/11 whenever the Saudis improve their diplomatic and economic ties with China as a veiled threat. The World Wildlife Fund is a front for U.S. imperialism, and under the guise of “fighting poachers” they kick indigenous people off of their land so it can be used for resource extraction and death squad training. As governor of Arkansas, Bill Clinton played an important role in Iran-Contra. Drugs were flown into Mena, Arkansas from Nicaragua by pilot Barry Seal, and from there would spread through the U.S. Some have even claimed that Contra pilots were brought to Mena for flight training. Any time that these dealings began to surface, Clinton did his best to cover it up, going as far as to help cover up the death of two teenage boys who accidentally witnessed a drug drop. Paul Robeson was drugged by the CIA. The Brabant killings were a GLADIO operation, and the Dutroux affair clearly led to the heights of wealth and power in Belgium. The Mothman sightings in Point Pleasant, West Virginia were the result of a CIA mass-dosing experiment. Osama Bin Laden died of natural causes shortly after the 9/11 attacks.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Go6Z5yGkvJI Haha lmao it’s right there in our faces it was staged it was all staged I mean 6:11:33 lmao obvious fucking psyop

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Go6Z5yGkvJI I mean it’s so obvious it’s right there in our faces lmao I mean 6:11:33 lmao obvious fucking psyop it’s an obvious code it always was

Oh sorry I didn’t realise I posted it three times on oh

Great posts. The Swedish authorities quietly and tacitly admitted the US connection with Olof Palme a few years ago, but I'm too lazy and rusty with Swedish to dig up the articles. It was in the papers though after decades of stifled "investigation". Hoping a Swefag comes and backs me up on this.

You don’t know this but it’s al so fucking tired some and oh why does this matter anyways hah hah heh he hype e re oh so you know I think you know if you knew you’d understand but you don’t know do you oh I can’t wait or maybe just let this thread die plea Dori

Idk why I wrote >>4382

You don’t know this but it’s al so fucking tired some and oh why does this matter anyways hah hah heh he hype e re oh so you know I think you know if you knew you’d understand but you don’t know do you oh I can’t wait or maybe just let this thread die plea Dori

Lolololol lmao even

ok I haven't implemented post locking but please chill out now

Maybe we can be first :D

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>>4385

ok I haven't implemented post locking but please chill out now

It's so surreal that this was a short thread meant to die out in a short period of time because once you talk about the national blackout there's nothing else to mention really, but it has turned into the petrarchan thread most similar to 4chan because of the guy crying about the government and thus attracting other schizos like moths to a flame. I already called him out and it still turned into this dear god I hate the boomer style of complaining.

We breath air and we live waiting for spring

Back to the real topic: I'm trying to cultivate a Mediterranean attitude for this summer, as an American who lives nowhere near an ocean. Do any Iberian anons have tips? I'll also accept solicitations from Greeks, Italians, and some select French.

It depends on what you consider Mediterranean attitude. I couldn’t tell you much from experience because hometown on the eastern shore of Spain looks much more like a decaying post-industrial town in rural Pennsylvania than what you would picture from a Mediterranean town, and I mean it quite seriously. But I get the gist of what it means to be “Mediterranean” is to just be chill and enjoy your time and take things positively, and you can do that anywhere, you don’t have to be near the sea, tho going to the beach sure helps. I can’t help you it with dishes tho, unless you like paella or potato omelettes.

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Also I won’t stand for this Malta erasure

You realise just how little you should care when you realise the truth about Sirius

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>>4415

It depends on what you consider Mediterranean attitude. I couldn’t tell you much from experience because hometown on the eastern shore of Spain looks much more like a decaying post-industrial town in rural Pennsylvania than what you would picture from a Mediterranean town, and I mean it quite seriously. But I get the gist of what it means to be “Mediterranean” is to just be chill and enjoy your time and take things positively, and you can do that anywhere, you don’t have to be near the sea, tho going to the beach sure helps. I can’t help you it with dishes tho, unless you like paella or potato omelettes.

not that guy, but i love Spanish food and cooking, please share some tips. the more basic the better, it means I'm likely to actually do them

>>4440

>>4415 not that guy, but i love Spanish food and cooking, please share some tips. the more basic the better, it means I'm likely to actually do them

Not the one you asked, I'm one of the other Spaniards. I'd say use olive oil always (only use butter to grill a few things like sandwich bread, and stop using vegetable oils altogether). Also I'm pretty sure we eat a LOT of animal products compared to other countries, so use more protein (idk if other people actually follow the advice to only eat meat a few days a week, I have meat or fish every day). The fruit and vegetables you use have to be as fresh as possible (I heard in the US you always peel fruits like apples or pears before eating them, we don't do that here as much, and as kids we're told that's where the "healthy" stuff is). We also make food in large quantities and save what we didn't eat for later. Like when there's a celebration and people make a big plate full of whatever it is and save the leftovers, but much more regularly. My fridge always has a lot of tupperwares. And in Spanish celebrations you can expect tables completely filled with big plates of all sorts of things. From what I've seen in popular culture, Thanksgiving tables seem big and full of food but still not as much as a regular Spanish birthday. And something about the olive oil which may not be obvious if you're not used to cooking with it: you're supposed to give it several uses. Olive oil is expensive, but it's also true that it's as if you actually use a lot more than what is in the container. Obviously when you use it in small quantities to fry something or to drizzle on a salad, it's a one time use, but when you're using it to deep fry food (and we put a LOT of olive oil in the pan, just look at how we fry eggs) you can set the pan aside and use that oil at least a couple more times. Also shield it from the sun so it doesn't go bad. Either leave the pan with the oil in a corner of the stove, or you can put the oil in a mug (once it cools, obviously) and leave it close to the stove to use it when you need to. Some people store the pan in the oven while it's not being used. Sieve through it to get rid of crumbs if you need to. And when you're done with it, don't throw it down the drain. At least in Spain we have recycling points where you can leave bottles full of oil to be repurposed.

Maybe they're very basic and not as exclusive to Spain as I think but the olive oil one at least I think is very useful, and magnitudes healthier than the vegetable oils that Americans have been using for decades. Implementing just that could make a big change in your diet. I've seen Americans come here and lose a significant amount of weight despite not trying, just because the ingredients used here differ.

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>>4442

Maybe they're very basic and not as exclusive to Spain as I think but the olive oil one at least I think is very useful, and magnitudes healthier than the vegetable oils that Americans have been using for decades. Implementing just that could make a big change in your diet. I've seen Americans come here and lose a significant amount of weight despite not trying, just because the ingredients used here differ.

Do you know what it is about olive oil that is significantly healthier? I use both rapeseed and olive oil day-to-day-- I wonder how much of a difference would it make to switch to olive oil all the way

>>4505

>>4442 Do you know what it is about olive oil that is significantly healthier? I use both rapeseed and olive oil day-to-day-- I wonder how much of a difference would it make to switch to olive oil all the way

one of my vibes based opinions is that decent quality cold-pressed rapeseed oil is probably pretty good for you

>>4506

>>4505 one of my vibes based opinions is that decent quality cold-pressed rapeseed oil is probably pretty good for you

why

>>4513

>>4506 why

dunno really, as I said it's vibes based. but my guess would be that most of the negatives about rapeseed come from the use of solvents to extract the oil which is not done with the cold pressed stuff.

>>4505

>>4442 Do you know what it is about olive oil that is significantly healthier? I use both rapeseed and olive oil day-to-day-- I wonder how much of a difference would it make to switch to olive oil all the way

Since rapeseed oil is also unsaturated, I'd say it's healthy to use as well. I don't think I've ever used it myself, and I'd say there is at least a bit of a negative stigma around rapeseed oil in Spain because of a massive food poisoning incident in the early 80s in Northern Spain, because denaturalized rapeseed oil meant for industrial use was intentionally mixed with regular rapeseed oil and sold for culinary use for lucrative purposes. Over 300 people died of lung disease. So I tend to associate it with danger because what I've heard of it was that scandal, but obviously regular rapeseed oil is OK to use, so I don't there there is a problem with cooking with both.

>>4415

It depends on what you consider Mediterranean attitude. I couldn’t tell you much from experience because hometown on the eastern shore of Spain looks much more like a decaying post-industrial town in rural Pennsylvania than what you would picture from a Mediterranean town, and I mean it quite seriously. But I get the gist of what it means to be “Mediterranean” is to just be chill and enjoy your time and take things positively, and you can do that anywhere, you don’t have to be near the sea, tho going to the beach sure helps. I can’t help you it with dishes tho, unless you like paella or potato omelettes.

I guess some form of that is what I assume the Mediterranean attitude to be like, although I'm also interested in what people are really like there. What little time I spent in Italy, and especially what littler time I spent in rural Italy, I got the impression that you are correct in your hometown comparison. I don't assume most of you all are sunning on beaches 24/7 and such, but there is an attitude that I found distinct and different and more interesting than the one we cultivate here (but maybe the grass really is always greener). Also, I do like paella and potato omelettes. I'll eat anything lol, perhaps my most American quality. >>4441

>>4440 Not the one you asked, I'm one of the other Spaniards. I'd say use olive oil always (only use butter to grill a few things like sandwich bread, and stop using vegetable oils altogether). Also I'm pretty sure we eat a LOT of animal products compared to other countries, so use more protein (idk if other people actually follow the advice to only eat meat a few days a week, I have meat or fish every day). The fruit and vegetables you use have to be as fresh as possible (I heard in the US you always peel fruits like apples or pears before eating them, we don't do that here as much, and as kids we're told that's where the "healthy" stuff is). We also make food in large quantities and save what we didn't eat for later. Like when there's a celebration and people make a big plate full of whatever it is and save the leftovers, but much more regularly. My fridge always has a lot of tupperwares. And in Spanish celebrations you can expect tables completely filled with big plates of all sorts of things. From what I've seen in popular culture, Thanksgiving tables seem big and full of food but still not as much as a regular Spanish birthday. And something about the olive oil which may not be obvious if you're not used to cooking with it: you're supposed to give it several uses. Olive oil is expensive, but it's also true that it's as if you actually use a lot more than what is in the container. Obviously when you use it in small quantities to fry something or to drizzle on a salad, it's a one time use, but when you're using it to deep fry food (and we put a LOT of olive oil in the pan, just look at how we fry eggs) you can set the pan aside and use that oil at least a couple more times. Also shield it from the sun so it doesn't go bad. Either leave the pan with the oil in a corner of the stove, or you can put the oil in a mug (once it cools, obviously) and leave it close to the stove to use it when you need to. Some people store the pan in the oven while it's not being used. Sieve through it to get rid of crumbs if you need to. And when you're done with it, don't throw it down the drain. At least in Spain we have recycling points where you can leave bottles full of oil to be repurposed.

I got to admit, I probably will never give up frying eggs in butter, but I do think olive oil should gain more headway. It is true that in America, olive oil can be rather expensive, especially for anything worthwhile, and also there is supposedly much fraudulent olive oil. I've never been able to find out if this means that bottle of what is labeled "olive oil" is really not olive oil, or if we just have much more "blended" bottles of olive oil (meaning it is combined aka thinned with cheaper oil, like canola). Either way, I'll still buy a bottle of the nice stuff every now and then. >(I heard in the US you always peel fruits like apples or pears before eating them, we don't do that here as much, and as kids we're told that's where the "healthy" stuff is). I have never ever met anyone who peels fruit which you can eat the skin of, such as an apple. It is true that people peel their vegetables much more often here, which I believe is a kind of Anglo influence stemming from the opposite folklore, that skin contains "bad things". I think it's becoming more in vogue to not peel now. I have never considered reusing olive oil, but that is an intriguing idea. I would do that for sure if I was using enough to deep fry. I didn't think you should use olive oil to deep fry because it has a relatively low smoke point. >Some people store the pan in the oven while it's not being used. Lol, I had a latino roommate who did this and it pissed me off. I would turn on the oven (and not check, because my civilized people don't do this sort of thing) and suddenly there would be smoke because he left a pan full of grease in there. It confused me greatly, but it's nice to know that it stems from the homeland and isn't necessarily some sort of barbaric idea picked up in America. >At least in Spain we have recycling points where you can leave bottles full of oil to be repurposed. You can find some specialty oil recycling organizations if you live somewhere that has an eco-minded populace. Otherwise, this is impossible in America. Nobody would do this, and I think most Americans would look at you as if you're crazy if you told them about it. Maybe food businesses can do that? But for just private people, no. I assume most of our recycling processes here will end up dumping it in the Pacific Ocean, because they are fairly poor. Americans just love landfills too much.

>>4546

>>4415 I guess some form of that is what I assume the Mediterranean attitude to be like, although I'm also interested in what people are really like there. What little time I spent in Italy, and especially what littler time I spent in rural Italy, I got the impression that you are correct in your hometown comparison. I don't assume most of you all are sunning on beaches 24/7 and such, but there is an attitude that I found distinct and different and more interesting than the one we cultivate here (but maybe the grass really is always greener). Also, I do like paella and potato omelettes. I'll eat anything lol, perhaps my most American quality. >>4441 I got to admit, I probably will never give up frying eggs in butter, but I do think olive oil should gain more headway. It is true that in America, olive oil can be rather expensive, especially for anything worthwhile, and also there is supposedly much fraudulent olive oil. I've never been able to find out if this means that bottle of what is labeled "olive oil" is really not olive oil, or if we just have much more "blended" bottles of olive oil (meaning it is combined aka thinned with cheaper oil, like canola). Either way, I'll still buy a bottle of the nice stuff every now and then. >(I heard in the US you always peel fruits like apples or pears before eating them, we don't do that here as much, and as kids we're told that's where the "healthy" stuff is). I have never ever met anyone who peels fruit which you can eat the skin of, such as an apple. It is true that people peel their vegetables much more often here, which I believe is a kind of Anglo influence stemming from the opposite folklore, that skin contains "bad things". I think it's becoming more in vogue to not peel now. I have never considered reusing olive oil, but that is an intriguing idea. I would do that for sure if I was using enough to deep fry. I didn't think you should use olive oil to deep fry because it has a relatively low smoke point. >Some people store the pan in the oven while it's not being used. Lol, I had a latino roommate who did this and it pissed me off. I would turn on the oven (and not check, because my civilized people don't do this sort of thing) and suddenly there would be smoke because he left a pan full of grease in there. It confused me greatly, but it's nice to know that it stems from the homeland and isn't necessarily some sort of barbaric idea picked up in America. >At least in Spain we have recycling points where you can leave bottles full of oil to be repurposed. You can find some specialty oil recycling organizations if you live somewhere that has an eco-minded populace. Otherwise, this is impossible in America. Nobody would do this, and I think most Americans would look at you as if you're crazy if you told them about it. Maybe food businesses can do that? But for just private people, no. I assume most of our recycling processes here will end up dumping it in the Pacific Ocean, because they are fairly poor. Americans just love landfills too much.

I think that the vegetable peeling thing is a bit like how everyone likes sprouts now. By which I mean, in the past brussels sprouts were genuinely quite pungent and bitter - certainly an acquired taste - so it's no wonder that they were famously unpopular with children and many adults. However over time they bred (and possibly GM'd) the sprouts to be milder and sweeter, so that now they are an extremely inoffensive vegetable, and the retained cultural meme of sprouts being unpalatable seems bizarre to young people. If you're a zoomer you've probably only ever eaten 'new' sprouts, and you might find yourself thinking: "were boomers just massive babies about eating their vegetables?" - well, maybe; the fact that their parents were unaware of the concept of steaming certainly didn't help - but in their defence, they were eating different sprouts from us! The analogy with peeling is that in the past vegetables likely had thicker, more leathery, and more bitter skins. Also they would have been more likely to be stored in a root cellar or cupboard rather than in the fridge. That is to say, they genuinely did benefit from being peeled, in a way that the delicate veg of today don't.

That's bullshit, the popularity of peeled apples or other fruits in the US is down to palatability for their undeveloped taste (see: Crustables) as well as a good way to reduce the costs of guaranteeing freshness (do not need to thoroughly wash the skin to sell it, can shape the 'apple piece' around bad fruit). Answers like >>4546

>>4415 I guess some form of that is what I assume the Mediterranean attitude to be like, although I'm also interested in what people are really like there. What little time I spent in Italy, and especially what littler time I spent in rural Italy, I got the impression that you are correct in your hometown comparison. I don't assume most of you all are sunning on beaches 24/7 and such, but there is an attitude that I found distinct and different and more interesting than the one we cultivate here (but maybe the grass really is always greener). Also, I do like paella and potato omelettes. I'll eat anything lol, perhaps my most American quality. >>4441 I got to admit, I probably will never give up frying eggs in butter, but I do think olive oil should gain more headway. It is true that in America, olive oil can be rather expensive, especially for anything worthwhile, and also there is supposedly much fraudulent olive oil. I've never been able to find out if this means that bottle of what is labeled "olive oil" is really not olive oil, or if we just have much more "blended" bottles of olive oil (meaning it is combined aka thinned with cheaper oil, like canola). Either way, I'll still buy a bottle of the nice stuff every now and then. >(I heard in the US you always peel fruits like apples or pears before eating them, we don't do that here as much, and as kids we're told that's where the "healthy" stuff is). I have never ever met anyone who peels fruit which you can eat the skin of, such as an apple. It is true that people peel their vegetables much more often here, which I believe is a kind of Anglo influence stemming from the opposite folklore, that skin contains "bad things". I think it's becoming more in vogue to not peel now. I have never considered reusing olive oil, but that is an intriguing idea. I would do that for sure if I was using enough to deep fry. I didn't think you should use olive oil to deep fry because it has a relatively low smoke point. >Some people store the pan in the oven while it's not being used. Lol, I had a latino roommate who did this and it pissed me off. I would turn on the oven (and not check, because my civilized people don't do this sort of thing) and suddenly there would be smoke because he left a pan full of grease in there. It confused me greatly, but it's nice to know that it stems from the homeland and isn't necessarily some sort of barbaric idea picked up in America. >At least in Spain we have recycling points where you can leave bottles full of oil to be repurposed. You can find some specialty oil recycling organizations if you live somewhere that has an eco-minded populace. Otherwise, this is impossible in America. Nobody would do this, and I think most Americans would look at you as if you're crazy if you told them about it. Maybe food businesses can do that? But for just private people, no. I assume most of our recycling processes here will end up dumping it in the Pacific Ocean, because they are fairly poor. Americans just love landfills too much.

and >>4573

>>4546 I think that the vegetable peeling thing is a bit like how everyone likes sprouts now. By which I mean, in the past brussels sprouts were genuinely quite pungent and bitter - certainly an acquired taste - so it's no wonder that they were famously unpopular with children and many adults. However over time they bred (and possibly GM'd) the sprouts to be milder and sweeter, so that now they are an extremely inoffensive vegetable, and the retained cultural meme of sprouts being unpalatable seems bizarre to young people. If you're a zoomer you've probably only ever eaten 'new' sprouts, and you might find yourself thinking: "were boomers just massive babies about eating their vegetables?" - well, maybe; the fact that their parents were unaware of the concept of steaming certainly didn't help - but in their defence, they were eating different sprouts from us! The analogy with peeling is that in the past vegetables likely had thicker, more leathery, and more bitter skins. Also they would have been more likely to be stored in a root cellar or cupboard rather than in the fridge. That is to say, they genuinely did benefit from being peeled, in a way that the delicate veg of today don't.

are nearly cute in their wishful thinking naivete that anything that is a certain way in America is because of some folksy tradition that has naturally been shorn off / developed out of. Oh, those silly old worlders with their arcane habits and understandable superstitions! We're not like that here.

>>4574

That's bullshit, the popularity of peeled apples or other fruits in the US is down to palatability for their undeveloped taste (see: Crustables) as well as a good way to reduce the costs of guaranteeing freshness (do not need to thoroughly wash the skin to sell it, can shape the 'apple piece' around bad fruit). Answers like >>4546 and >>4573 are nearly cute in their wishful thinking naivete that anything that is a certain way in America is because of some folksy tradition that has naturally been shorn off / developed out of. Oh, those silly old worlders with their arcane habits and understandable superstitions! We're not like that here.

Ok I was talking from a British perspective (where no-one ever peels an apple), accept that it may be different across the pond.

>>4574

That's bullshit, the popularity of peeled apples or other fruits in the US is down to palatability for their undeveloped taste (see: Crustables) as well as a good way to reduce the costs of guaranteeing freshness (do not need to thoroughly wash the skin to sell it, can shape the 'apple piece' around bad fruit). Answers like >>4546 and >>4573 are nearly cute in their wishful thinking naivete that anything that is a certain way in America is because of some folksy tradition that has naturally been shorn off / developed out of. Oh, those silly old worlders with their arcane habits and understandable superstitions! We're not like that here.

Not what I was saying. All I said is that I have never met anyone who has peeled fruit before. You do have a point that Americans prefer "ready-made" fruits, probably in the majority and I am in a minority. But I was not considering processed things to be what that anon was referring to, only the whole fruit being peeled. If you lump those in, sure. And if you consider peeled fruits as things also like canned apples, then maybe, though I consider that kind of thing regional. I wasn't suggesting we explicitly follow a folklore or shirked it on purpose, just that that is the common suggestion for reasoning for peeling vegetables. Are you saying that it's not from tradition that things are done now (or reaction to)? Your reasons for suggesting the popularity of peeled fruits are stupidity and business acumen on the Americans part, so I assume those are why you think things are the way they are here?

What fools bent on political squabbling do not see is that the world is run by numerous groups and secret societies who all descend from the Knights Templar/ Knights of Malta.

>>4546

>>4415 I guess some form of that is what I assume the Mediterranean attitude to be like, although I'm also interested in what people are really like there. What little time I spent in Italy, and especially what littler time I spent in rural Italy, I got the impression that you are correct in your hometown comparison. I don't assume most of you all are sunning on beaches 24/7 and such, but there is an attitude that I found distinct and different and more interesting than the one we cultivate here (but maybe the grass really is always greener). Also, I do like paella and potato omelettes. I'll eat anything lol, perhaps my most American quality. >>4441 I got to admit, I probably will never give up frying eggs in butter, but I do think olive oil should gain more headway. It is true that in America, olive oil can be rather expensive, especially for anything worthwhile, and also there is supposedly much fraudulent olive oil. I've never been able to find out if this means that bottle of what is labeled "olive oil" is really not olive oil, or if we just have much more "blended" bottles of olive oil (meaning it is combined aka thinned with cheaper oil, like canola). Either way, I'll still buy a bottle of the nice stuff every now and then. >(I heard in the US you always peel fruits like apples or pears before eating them, we don't do that here as much, and as kids we're told that's where the "healthy" stuff is). I have never ever met anyone who peels fruit which you can eat the skin of, such as an apple. It is true that people peel their vegetables much more often here, which I believe is a kind of Anglo influence stemming from the opposite folklore, that skin contains "bad things". I think it's becoming more in vogue to not peel now. I have never considered reusing olive oil, but that is an intriguing idea. I would do that for sure if I was using enough to deep fry. I didn't think you should use olive oil to deep fry because it has a relatively low smoke point. >Some people store the pan in the oven while it's not being used. Lol, I had a latino roommate who did this and it pissed me off. I would turn on the oven (and not check, because my civilized people don't do this sort of thing) and suddenly there would be smoke because he left a pan full of grease in there. It confused me greatly, but it's nice to know that it stems from the homeland and isn't necessarily some sort of barbaric idea picked up in America. >At least in Spain we have recycling points where you can leave bottles full of oil to be repurposed. You can find some specialty oil recycling organizations if you live somewhere that has an eco-minded populace. Otherwise, this is impossible in America. Nobody would do this, and I think most Americans would look at you as if you're crazy if you told them about it. Maybe food businesses can do that? But for just private people, no. I assume most of our recycling processes here will end up dumping it in the Pacific Ocean, because they are fairly poor. Americans just love landfills too much.

The leaving the pan with oil in the oven thing is only something that I've overheard some Spanish people do, but I have never done it myself for the same reason you explain. Also I didn't have an oven for most of my childhood so it didn't really factor in, but aside from that I'd rather leave ir on the corner of the stove or in a mug to avoid ruining useful oil and a whole pan if I were to forget it in the oven. I just mentioned it in case it was useful to you, but yeah your Latino roommate should have at least told you he was doing that. I'm not used to it either so I probably wouldn't expect a pan in the oven if no one told me about it beforehand. And about recycling oil, so most of you just dump it down the drain?? I have been strongly conditioned to avoid doing that because it damages pipes and is harder to remove from water when it's purified again, it feels wrong to even think about it lol. Same with medicine. An Argentinian acquaintance told me she'd never even heard of special medicine trash cans in pharmacies and everyone in Argentina just threw their expired medicine to the trash. I hope it's not like that in the US. And last thing, yes in Spain we deep fry stuff like bread-coated meat and fish, croquetas... and it works well for us. I think that if you aren't used to cooking with olive oil you might need to get the hang of it first, because it does burn more easily. I'd say that when you're cooking with a lot of olive oil in the pan, of course you can expect steam to come out, but it's clearer/whiter steam that probably comes out of the food that's being cooked and not the olive oil, which is supposed to be bubbling but in a controlled boil. If the steam is darker and more like smoke, and it smells bad/not like the food you're cooking, then that's the oil itself and you need to let it cool.