This thread is for discussion of music and how it is reproduced. >LPs vs CDs vs Spotify vs... what else?
For me, I listen to CDs and also lossless FLAC files (into IEMs). I like LPs for their cover art but can't afford them, nor could I play them in the car.
I tried to get into the FLAC game, but I'll admit to being a spotifycel. I wish I could be motivated to DL all my music, so as to have it forever and in a better format, but I'm pretty lazy and enjoy the conveniences of streaming.
I only really buy physical media from thrift stores or what not, too expensive otherwise.
Anonymous :
65 days ago :
No.2190
>>2192
>>2190
Yeah, it definitely seems worth it and not too hard, just don't have the motivation since my needs are satisfied right now lol. I don't have any computer I could use as a server right now (no desktop etc).
>>2222 >>2280>>2190
I've been considering getting into Jellyfin just for watching TV and films on a NAS, does it have scrobbling capabilities for music? If so that might make me abandon spotify all together
>>2718
It's not too painful once you get in the groove of it. Get Nicotine+ (Soulseek client) and setup a Jellyfin server and you pretty much have your own Spotify that you can stream from from anywhere.
>>2190
>>2718
It's not too painful once you get in the groove of it. Get Nicotine+ (Soulseek client) and setup a Jellyfin server and you pretty much have your own Spotify that you can stream from from anywhere.
Yeah, it definitely seems worth it and not too hard, just don't have the motivation since my needs are satisfied right now lol. I don't have any computer I could use as a server right now (no desktop etc).
I simply have the FLACs on the home computer and the phone has converted MP3s since I can't store all those lossless files on the phone. Plus, the difference can't be heard in non-quiet environmments. The best codec AFAIK is Opus then AAC, but MP3 works on all devices
I like the look of the Technics direct-drive turntables too.
Anonymous :
65 days ago :
No.2222
>>2227
>>2222
Not really, Jellyfin is FOSS but if you've already got Plex or the crack of it it's pretty much the same.
>>2190
>>2718
It's not too painful once you get in the groove of it. Get Nicotine+ (Soulseek client) and setup a Jellyfin server and you pretty much have your own Spotify that you can stream from from anywhere.
been using regular old Soulseek and Plex, with Plexamp on my phone. is there a benefit to switching to Jellyfin?
>>2187I tried to get into the FLAC game, but I'll admit to being a spotifycel. I wish I could be motivated to DL all my music, so as to have it forever and in a better format, but I'm pretty lazy and enjoy the conveniences of streaming.
I only really buy physical media from thrift stores or what not, too expensive otherwise.
also this may be too cumbersome for most, but if you are already a CD-head then burn FLACs to CD and then listen to them on your stereo.
Anonymous :
65 days ago :
No.2223
>>2320
>>2223
I can tell the difference under a blind test with MP3 but not Opus
>>2278
Sennheiser IE 600, one of the most comfortable IEMs. It is a bit unusual too in that it uses a dyamic driver--the same sort of driver found in ordinary speakers or headphones, albeit extremely small--rather than balanced armature drivers, which were basically the only sort of driver used for IEMs until about ~2020. Opinions differ about whether the driver type actually makes any difference.
I'd like to get a pair of custom IEMs which fit my ear perfectly (they make a mold of your ears) but they cost a lot and the driver technology in them seems stale now
Chinese ones can be really great, e.g. Moondrop, they have been very popular
Can somebody explain why do you even need FLAC? Has anyone actually tried a blind test between 320 or even 256 kbps mp3 and FLAC? I bet 98% of you can’t tell the difference. inb4 I just trust my ears
>>2222
Not really, Jellyfin is FOSS but if you've already got Plex or the crack of it it's pretty much the same.
>2223
It's nice to have the lossless file in case you ever want to transcode it into a different lossy file format, but that's obviously a bit of a niche use case.
Anonymous :
65 days ago :
No.2278
>>2320
>>2223
I can tell the difference under a blind test with MP3 but not Opus
>>2278
Sennheiser IE 600, one of the most comfortable IEMs. It is a bit unusual too in that it uses a dyamic driver--the same sort of driver found in ordinary speakers or headphones, albeit extremely small--rather than balanced armature drivers, which were basically the only sort of driver used for IEMs until about ~2020. Opinions differ about whether the driver type actually makes any difference.
I'd like to get a pair of custom IEMs which fit my ear perfectly (they make a mold of your ears) but they cost a lot and the driver technology in them seems stale now
Chinese ones can be really great, e.g. Moondrop, they have been very popular
What kinda headphones / earbuds / IEMs are u lot rocking? I have a pair of cheapo Chinese earbuds that I am not even sure of the name, but they're mainly beaters for listening to music whilst conducting outdoor work.
>>2190
>>2718
It's not too painful once you get in the groove of it. Get Nicotine+ (Soulseek client) and setup a Jellyfin server and you pretty much have your own Spotify that you can stream from from anywhere.
I've been considering getting into Jellyfin just for watching TV and films on a NAS, does it have scrobbling capabilities for music? If so that might make me abandon spotify all together
>>2223
Can somebody explain why do you even need FLAC? Has anyone actually tried a blind test between 320 or even 256 kbps mp3 and FLAC? I bet 98% of you can’t tell the difference. inb4 I just trust my ears
I can tell the difference under a blind test with MP3 but not Opus
>>2278What kinda headphones / earbuds / IEMs are u lot rocking? I have a pair of cheapo Chinese earbuds that I am not even sure of the name, but they're mainly beaters for listening to music whilst conducting outdoor work.
Sennheiser IE 600, one of the most comfortable IEMs. It is a bit unusual too in that it uses a dyamic driver--the same sort of driver found in ordinary speakers or headphones, albeit extremely small--rather than balanced armature drivers, which were basically the only sort of driver used for IEMs until about ~2020. Opinions differ about whether the driver type actually makes any difference.
I'd like to get a pair of custom IEMs which fit my ear perfectly (they make a mold of your ears) but they cost a lot and the driver technology in them seems stale now
Chinese ones can be really great, e.g. Moondrop, they have been very popular
Anonymous :
64 days ago :
No.2363
>>2367
>>2363
any old one still kicking without screen or wheel issues will need a new battery, and the hard drive replaced with an SSD or SD card mod. if the time + cost of doing that is worth it to you, go for it, but you can achieve owning a separate music player device by buying a cheapo android device and leaving it in airplane mode.
Your thoughts on the iPod?
Anonymous :
64 days ago :
No.2367
>>2369
>>2367
what's the best bang for buck device for this purpose? Just any old gen phone? or is there some established meta
>>2522
>>2363
Your thoughts on the iPod?
any old one still kicking without screen or wheel issues will need a new battery, and the hard drive replaced with an SSD or SD card mod. if the time + cost of doing that is worth it to you, go for it, but you can achieve owning a separate music player device by buying a cheapo android device and leaving it in airplane mode.
Anonymous :
64 days ago :
No.2369
>>2373
>>2369
no meta that i'm aware of. try to stay south of $100 and make sure there is SD card capability of at least 128G capacity. a motorola g play is a good example.
a benefit to all this is not having to use iTunes to manage music, you can simply drag files onto the phone/card when plugged into your computer.
>>2522
>>2367
>>2363
any old one still kicking without screen or wheel issues will need a new battery, and the hard drive replaced with an SSD or SD card mod. if the time + cost of doing that is worth it to you, go for it, but you can achieve owning a separate music player device by buying a cheapo android device and leaving it in airplane mode.
what's the best bang for buck device for this purpose? Just any old gen phone? or is there some established meta
>>2369
>>2367
what's the best bang for buck device for this purpose? Just any old gen phone? or is there some established meta
no meta that i'm aware of. try to stay south of $100 and make sure there is SD card capability of at least 128G capacity. a motorola g play is a good example.
a benefit to all this is not having to use iTunes to manage music, you can simply drag files onto the phone/card when plugged into your computer.
Anonymous :
63 days ago :
No.2522
>>2997
>>2522
>$100 ching chong ipod nano
2TB is a great capacity, but is there any other reason to drop a bag on this? I guess many phones cannot support that much storage.
>>3305
>>2367
>>2363
any old one still kicking without screen or wheel issues will need a new battery, and the hard drive replaced with an SSD or SD card mod. if the time + cost of doing that is worth it to you, go for it, but you can achieve owning a separate music player device by buying a cheapo android device and leaving it in airplane mode.
The battery life is probably better with iPod Classic, plus you can click wheel. Flash it with Rockbox to use it without iTunes
>>2369>>2367
what's the best bang for buck device for this purpose? Just any old gen phone? or is there some established meta
Shanling M0 is optimized for just music listening, up to 2TB microsd
Anonymous :
60 days ago :
No.2997
>>3055
>>2997
A lot of phones in the current era don't have a headphone jack. As well as, as you say, the storage capacity, which is good for many lossless albums
There are some better digital audio players but the Shanling comes in at a good price. Some of the Sony ones are absurdly expensive
>>2522
>$100 ching chong ipod nano
2TB is a great capacity, but is there any other reason to drop a bag on this? I guess many phones cannot support that much storage.
Anonymous :
60 days ago :
No.3055
>>3305 >>3367
>>3055
I forgot about how phone companies decided to blatantly kike everyone out of a headphone jack. I'll admit to having a phone without one (Samsung) and I didn't think of making sure the model I bought had one (because I thought only Apple would do something as gay as that) and now I get pissed off whenever I have to use an adapter or BT.
>>2997
>>2522
>$100 ching chong ipod nano
2TB is a great capacity, but is there any other reason to drop a bag on this? I guess many phones cannot support that much storage.
A lot of phones in the current era don't have a headphone jack. As well as, as you say, the storage capacity, which is good for many lossless albums
There are some better digital audio players but the Shanling comes in at a good price. Some of the Sony ones are absurdly expensive
Anonymous :
58 days ago :
No.3305
>>3320
>>3305
Most people using iPod Classics now would replace the HDD with flash storage, and the old battery with a new, larger one.
Moreover the recent Rockbox release (4.0) fixed the power management bug which plagued iPod Classics which had had the HDD replaced with flash/microSD storage (as it had been unable to turn off the SATA interface when not needed)
See https://old.reddit.com/r/rockbox/comments/1jqob49/it_seems_rockbox_40_solved_the_atrocious_battery/
I think the battery life is on par with the native OS now, so long as ordinary formats are used--see https://www.rockbox.org/wiki/CodecPerformanceComparison#iPod_Classic_40ARM926EJ_45S_41
The Shanling is pretty good, 240x240 is reasonable for that screen size. Unfortunately, it is much less sexy than the iPod Nano 6G which it is aping (see picture)
Thanks for the Moto G Play mention btw, I will check it out.
>>2522
Rockbox hits the battery pretty hard. iPod Classic batteries are nearly 20 years old too. Not much juice left in those.
>>3055
>>2997
A lot of phones in the current era don't have a headphone jack. As well as, as you say, the storage capacity, which is good for many lossless albums
There are some better digital audio players but the Shanling comes in at a good price. Some of the Sony ones are absurdly expensive
The Moto G Play mentioned earlier has headphone jack all the way up to the 2024 model.
Shanling looks interesting. How is the UI on that 20x20 speck of a screen?
>>3305
Most people using iPod Classics now would replace the HDD with flash storage, and the old battery with a new, larger one.
Moreover the recent Rockbox release (4.0) fixed the power management bug which plagued iPod Classics which had had the HDD replaced with flash/microSD storage (as it had been unable to turn off the SATA interface when not needed)
See https://old.reddit.com/r/rockbox/comments/1jqob49/it_seems_rockbox_40_solved_the_atrocious_battery/
I think the battery life is on par with the native OS now, so long as ordinary formats are used--see https://www.rockbox.org/wiki/CodecPerformanceComparison#iPod_Classic_40ARM926EJ_45S_41
The Shanling is pretty good, 240x240 is reasonable for that screen size. Unfortunately, it is much less sexy than the iPod Nano 6G which it is aping (see picture)
Thanks for the Moto G Play mention btw, I will check it out.
>>3055
>>2997
A lot of phones in the current era don't have a headphone jack. As well as, as you say, the storage capacity, which is good for many lossless albums
There are some better digital audio players but the Shanling comes in at a good price. Some of the Sony ones are absurdly expensive
I forgot about how phone companies decided to blatantly kike everyone out of a headphone jack. I'll admit to having a phone without one (Samsung) and I didn't think of making sure the model I bought had one (because I thought only Apple would do something as gay as that) and now I get pissed off whenever I have to use an adapter or BT.
Anonymous :
47 days ago :
No.4052
>>4120
>>4052
What IEMs do you use? I lost interest in the IEM market in 2015; was always confused by people who actually prefer IEMs for listening rather than having to use them for e.g. public transport
>>4100
MP3 was created in the 1990s and is a bad format compared to modern compression formats like AAC or Opus. Now Spotify/YouTube don't use MP3 anymore
MP3 is particularly bad because it cuts all frequencies above 16 kHz, also it just makes things sound less "realistic" particularly in the higher frequencies eg snares
>>4048
Just got these, anybody else use them?
I had a pair that I used a lot before I became pretty strictly only IEMs. They are nice.
I used to not hear the difference between mp3 and FLAC and thought that jump was just pointless snake oil. However something in my ears shifted with age and now I can hear the difference and have committed myself more to obtaining music in lossless formats.
Anonymous :
47 days ago :
No.4100
>>4101 >>4112
>>4100
You can hear the digital artifacts and flattening more in mp3. The sounds are less vivid and everything is more "grey" so to speak. It sounds like listening to a computer file and it's harder to remove myself from that whereas lossless can be quite immersive especially with decent prosumer headphones.
>>4120>>4052
What IEMs do you use? I lost interest in the IEM market in 2015; was always confused by people who actually prefer IEMs for listening rather than having to use them for e.g. public transport
>>4100
MP3 was created in the 1990s and is a bad format compared to modern compression formats like AAC or Opus. Now Spotify/YouTube don't use MP3 anymore
MP3 is particularly bad because it cuts all frequencies above 16 kHz, also it just makes things sound less "realistic" particularly in the higher frequencies eg snares
>>4086
What is the difference? Just a better sound?
>>4068
I used to not hear the difference between mp3 and FLAC and thought that jump was just pointless snake oil. However something in my ears shifted with age and now I can hear the difference and have committed myself more to obtaining music in lossless formats.
>>4100>>4086
What is the difference? Just a better sound?
>>4100
>>4086
What is the difference? Just a better sound?
You can hear the digital artifacts and flattening more in mp3. The sounds are less vivid and everything is more "grey" so to speak. It sounds like listening to a computer file and it's harder to remove myself from that whereas lossless can be quite immersive especially with decent prosumer headphones.
That said I do not discriminate entirely and will gladly listen to Spotify to find new artists and so on.
Anonymous :
46 days ago :
No.4120
>>4136
>>4120
Cut ALL frequencies above 16 kHz? Ah yes, we can observe the average audiophile in the wild when he’s not using random adjectives to describe sound quality. Duderino, I can hear sizzling fresh highs in my new headphones!
>>4052
>>4048
I had a pair that I used a lot before I became pretty strictly only IEMs. They are nice.
What IEMs do you use? I lost interest in the IEM market in 2015; was always confused by people who actually prefer IEMs for listening rather than having to use them for e.g. public transport
>>4100>>4086
What is the difference? Just a better sound?
MP3 was created in the 1990s and is a bad format compared to modern compression formats like AAC or Opus. Now Spotify/YouTube don't use MP3 anymore
MP3 is particularly bad because it cuts all frequencies above 16 kHz, also it just makes things sound less "realistic" particularly in the higher frequencies eg snares
Anonymous :
46 days ago :
No.4123
>>4126
>>4123
I think I once did a FLAC vs (decent bitrate) mp3 side by side and concluded I could tell zero difference. So I haven't cared too much about formats since then.
>>4129>>4123
I've done https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ABX_test
>>4132>>4123
Well, both. I tried the side-by-side thing a few times back in the day but like I said, didn't see a difference. This was also more than a decade ago when storage wasn't quite as cheap as it is now and I was on a college student's budget, lol.
I didn't pay much heed to this topic until years later when ripping some discs I had and I wanted them to be lossless for archival purposes, because many of those discs were not available online. Then, I decided to convert one of them into mp3 and put it on my Sansa. That's when I realized something wasn't right because I had previously heard that music only in lossless straight from disc. After futzing around with headphones and music players I finally found out that I had developed a sharp enough sense of hearing to distinguish lossy from lossless audio. I also, over age, have developed a vastly stronger sense of bass tones which were absent from my life for a while. But, like another commenter said, mp3's weakness is in the upper ranges.
Are your opinions about audio formats moreso informed by natural exposure to different formats at different times, or focused blind tests where you compared a single piece of audio in two or more formats side by side?
Open question, just curious.
>>4123
Are your opinions about audio formats moreso informed by natural exposure to different formats at different times, or focused blind tests where you compared a single piece of audio in two or more formats side by side?
Open question, just curious.
I think I once did a FLAC vs (decent bitrate) mp3 side by side and concluded I could tell zero difference. So I haven't cared too much about formats since then.
>>4123
Are your opinions about audio formats moreso informed by natural exposure to different formats at different times, or focused blind tests where you compared a single piece of audio in two or more formats side by side?
Open question, just curious.
I've done https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ABX_test
>>4123
Are your opinions about audio formats moreso informed by natural exposure to different formats at different times, or focused blind tests where you compared a single piece of audio in two or more formats side by side?
Open question, just curious.
Well, both. I tried the side-by-side thing a few times back in the day but like I said, didn't see a difference. This was also more than a decade ago when storage wasn't quite as cheap as it is now and I was on a college student's budget, lol.
I didn't pay much heed to this topic until years later when ripping some discs I had and I wanted them to be lossless for archival purposes, because many of those discs were not available online. Then, I decided to convert one of them into mp3 and put it on my Sansa. That's when I realized something wasn't right because I had previously heard that music only in lossless straight from disc. After futzing around with headphones and music players I finally found out that I had developed a sharp enough sense of hearing to distinguish lossy from lossless audio. I also, over age, have developed a vastly stronger sense of bass tones which were absent from my life for a while. But, like another commenter said, mp3's weakness is in the upper ranges.
Anonymous :
46 days ago :
No.4136
>>4137
>>4136
What MP3 encoder is that? Perhaps not one compliant with the standard. Good luck on the playback side. Most encoders do use a low-pass filter at 16 kHz and the spectral has a sharp cut-off, which is obvious. Also, the scale on your image is all fucked up
https://wiki.hydrogenaud.io/index.php?title=High-frequency_content_in_MP3s
I'm not a moron and thus would never use such words as 'sizzling' to describe the experience of listening, instead preferring double-blind tests and acoustics textbooks. Hence I eschew all such audiophool products and I use relatively affordable headphones with EQ.
>>4120
>>4052
What IEMs do you use? I lost interest in the IEM market in 2015; was always confused by people who actually prefer IEMs for listening rather than having to use them for e.g. public transport
>>4100
MP3 was created in the 1990s and is a bad format compared to modern compression formats like AAC or Opus. Now Spotify/YouTube don't use MP3 anymore
MP3 is particularly bad because it cuts all frequencies above 16 kHz, also it just makes things sound less "realistic" particularly in the higher frequencies eg snares
Cut ALL frequencies above 16 kHz? Ah yes, we can observe the average audiophile in the wild when he’s not using random adjectives to describe sound quality. Duderino, I can hear sizzling fresh highs in my new headphones!
Anonymous :
46 days ago :
No.4137
>>4152
>>4137
It’s a spectrogram VST called Vision4X and a 320kbps MP3 file. I just wanted to demonstrate that until you listen to some shitty 128kbps audio with a crazy 16k brickwall, there’s actually tons of audio information in the high frequencies. Yes, with trained ears, you can probably tell the difference when you listen very closely to certain elements like snare reverbs, but with regular “vibing to music,” the difference is minuscule. And unless you’re a teen, chances are you can’t even hear frequencies above 18.5–19k.
>>4136
>>4120
Cut ALL frequencies above 16 kHz? Ah yes, we can observe the average audiophile in the wild when he’s not using random adjectives to describe sound quality. Duderino, I can hear sizzling fresh highs in my new headphones!
What MP3 encoder is that? Perhaps not one compliant with the standard. Good luck on the playback side. Most encoders do use a low-pass filter at 16 kHz and the spectral has a sharp cut-off, which is obvious. Also, the scale on your image is all fucked up
https://wiki.hydrogenaud.io/index.php?title=High-frequency_content_in_MP3s
I'm not a moron and thus would never use such words as 'sizzling' to describe the experience of listening, instead preferring double-blind tests and acoustics textbooks. Hence I eschew all such audiophool products and I use relatively affordable headphones with EQ.
Anonymous :
46 days ago :
No.4152
>>4183
>>4152
The attatched comparison is MP3 128kbps (default quality mode) vs MP3 320kbps (high quality mode) vs FLAC. (LAME used as MP3 encoder.) You can see the amount of information lost above 16 kHz in both MP3 files; though the 320 isn't quite as castrated as the 128, it's still pretty bad.
MP3 320 is pretty inefficient anyway given it's a 30 year-old codec. I'd use Opus or AAC at ~192 kbps
>And unless you’re a teen, chances are you can’t even hear frequencies above 18.5–19k
But 18.5 kHz is above 16 kHz, where MP3 goes off the rails. There is a lot of sound in the upper frequencies, which contributes to a sense of realism imo.
>>4137
>>4136
What MP3 encoder is that? Perhaps not one compliant with the standard. Good luck on the playback side. Most encoders do use a low-pass filter at 16 kHz and the spectral has a sharp cut-off, which is obvious. Also, the scale on your image is all fucked up
https://wiki.hydrogenaud.io/index.php?title=High-frequency_content_in_MP3s
I'm not a moron and thus would never use such words as 'sizzling' to describe the experience of listening, instead preferring double-blind tests and acoustics textbooks. Hence I eschew all such audiophool products and I use relatively affordable headphones with EQ.
It’s a spectrogram VST called Vision4X and a 320kbps MP3 file. I just wanted to demonstrate that until you listen to some shitty 128kbps audio with a crazy 16k brickwall, there’s actually tons of audio information in the high frequencies. Yes, with trained ears, you can probably tell the difference when you listen very closely to certain elements like snare reverbs, but with regular “vibing to music,” the difference is minuscule. And unless you’re a teen, chances are you can’t even hear frequencies above 18.5–19k.
Anonymous :
45 days ago :
No.4183
>>4196
>>4183
Fair enough. Sorry, I was too harsh in my initial response. I just have very little patience and tend to expect the worst after reading countless threads on audio forums where people make crazy claims like this one: https://discuss.systems/@dan/110008052977994607
>>4152
>>4137
It’s a spectrogram VST called Vision4X and a 320kbps MP3 file. I just wanted to demonstrate that until you listen to some shitty 128kbps audio with a crazy 16k brickwall, there’s actually tons of audio information in the high frequencies. Yes, with trained ears, you can probably tell the difference when you listen very closely to certain elements like snare reverbs, but with regular “vibing to music,” the difference is minuscule. And unless you’re a teen, chances are you can’t even hear frequencies above 18.5–19k.
The attatched comparison is MP3 128kbps (default quality mode) vs MP3 320kbps (high quality mode) vs FLAC. (LAME used as MP3 encoder.) You can see the amount of information lost above 16 kHz in both MP3 files; though the 320 isn't quite as castrated as the 128, it's still pretty bad.
MP3 320 is pretty inefficient anyway given it's a 30 year-old codec. I'd use Opus or AAC at ~192 kbps
>And unless you’re a teen, chances are you can’t even hear frequencies above 18.5–19k
But 18.5 kHz is above 16 kHz, where MP3 goes off the rails. There is a lot of sound in the upper frequencies, which contributes to a sense of realism imo.
Anonymous :
45 days ago :
No.4196
>>4197
>>4196
I understand, there are indeed a lot of audiophools with bizarre ideas. On some audiphile fora, I still see people list the CPU and power supply of the computer they play music from (in the belief that it influences the music output).
There are some places to discuss audio which are blisfully free of this stuff though. Surprisingly, reddit is reasonably scientific (redditors being just autistic rather than schizophrenic), and the website Audio Science Review is also one to check out for objective measurements of speakers, headphones, DACs and amps. DIY audio forums are also very good as they are, of necessity, grounded in engineering.
The picture attached here is of the Linkwitx LX521 speakers, designed by Siegfried Linkwitz. He released the plans to the world, as it's a DIY speaker. It is said to be one of the best speakers in the world. There are still scientifically-minded audiophiles about!
>>4183
>>4152
The attatched comparison is MP3 128kbps (default quality mode) vs MP3 320kbps (high quality mode) vs FLAC. (LAME used as MP3 encoder.) You can see the amount of information lost above 16 kHz in both MP3 files; though the 320 isn't quite as castrated as the 128, it's still pretty bad.
MP3 320 is pretty inefficient anyway given it's a 30 year-old codec. I'd use Opus or AAC at ~192 kbps
>And unless you’re a teen, chances are you can’t even hear frequencies above 18.5–19k
But 18.5 kHz is above 16 kHz, where MP3 goes off the rails. There is a lot of sound in the upper frequencies, which contributes to a sense of realism imo.
Fair enough. Sorry, I was too harsh in my initial response. I just have very little patience and tend to expect the worst after reading countless threads on audio forums where people make crazy claims like this one: https://discuss.systems/@dan/110008052977994607
>>4196
>>4183
Fair enough. Sorry, I was too harsh in my initial response. I just have very little patience and tend to expect the worst after reading countless threads on audio forums where people make crazy claims like this one: https://discuss.systems/@dan/110008052977994607
I understand, there are indeed a lot of audiophools with bizarre ideas. On some audiphile fora, I still see people list the CPU and power supply of the computer they play music from (in the belief that it influences the music output).
There are some places to discuss audio which are blisfully free of this stuff though. Surprisingly, reddit is reasonably scientific (redditors being just autistic rather than schizophrenic), and the website Audio Science Review is also one to check out for objective measurements of speakers, headphones, DACs and amps. DIY audio forums are also very good as they are, of necessity, grounded in engineering.
The picture attached here is of the Linkwitx LX521 speakers, designed by Siegfried Linkwitz. He released the plans to the world, as it's a DIY speaker. It is said to be one of the best speakers in the world. There are still scientifically-minded audiophiles about!
Anonymous :
40 days ago :
No.4366
>>4602
>>4366
I don't "collect", but I like to buy $1-2 CDs and stick em in my car for when I don't feel like listening to anything from my phone. I was listening to Neil Young's Rust Never Sleeps on repeat for a long while.
Is anyone else here still collecting compact disks? I find ripping them therapeutic.
Family junk bin zoomer-core, cmere champ give me a big ol hug
Hope you're ripping lossless with Free and Open Source Software
>>4366
Is anyone else here still collecting compact disks? I find ripping them therapeutic.
I don't "collect", but I like to buy $1-2 CDs and stick em in my car for when I don't feel like listening to anything from my phone. I was listening to Neil Young's Rust Never Sleeps on repeat for a long while.
Anonymous :
26 days ago :
No.5037
>>5721
>>5037
Paywall so idk what the article is actually about, but I think that audiophilia is really a hobby for separating money from fools. The theory behind it is sometimes interesting (the actual capacity for each medium to sound different or play differing frequencies, for instance), but the consumer industry is snake oil. Used to care greatly, now I just use cheapo earbuds for everything.
>>5037
Paywall so idk what the article is actually about, but I think that audiophilia is really a hobby for separating money from fools. The theory behind it is sometimes interesting (the actual capacity for each medium to sound different or play differing frequencies, for instance), but the consumer industry is snake oil. Used to care greatly, now I just use cheapo earbuds for everything.
>>5721
>>5037
Paywall so idk what the article is actually about, but I think that audiophilia is really a hobby for separating money from fools. The theory behind it is sometimes interesting (the actual capacity for each medium to sound different or play differing frequencies, for instance), but the consumer industry is snake oil. Used to care greatly, now I just use cheapo earbuds for everything.
Sennheiser HD600 are all you need I think. ~$200 on used market
>>5723All of the money audiophiles spend on better speakers, better headphones, new iPods and whatnot could've been better spent on tickets to see whatever artists they like listening to live.
What if you want to see musicians beyond just the local scene near you?