Lately I've been thinking a lot about how the best days of Internet use are probably behind me. I had some fun and learned a bunch of terminally online gags that I can't share IRL. I think I've steered clear from getting brainwormed for the past 10+ years (I had a brush with libertarian brainwormed) but on a long enough timeline it's probably inevitable that some AI-spawned hyper-memetic-weapon will fuck me up. Besides, I just spent my flight reading Heidegger and flirting with the black MILF flight attendant and I've never felt this good from refreshing a feed or imageboard.
Quitting Internet culture :
Posting from the MPLS airport shake shack :
1 year ago :
No.17
>>131
>>17 (OP)
I think my biggest fear isn't even getting brainwormed into some sort of stupid belief, but rather just taking the little dopamine hits, rotting away, until I realize I've wasted my days
>>3493>>17 (OP)
Three sentences and already a political buzzword. I cannot relate because the internet did not begin for me around the great internet political shift of 2016. I feel surrounded on websites all over by revisionists who pop up and behave as if the past 10-15 years of internet history is what the entire scope and depth of the 'net has been since its inception.
I can sympathise.
Welcome to the forum without notifications, without inboxes, without (You)s, in fact without any feedback regarding the contributions that you have made.
Every page is statically rendered and shown identically to everyone. You might just as well get addicted to a newspaper.
>18
Fuck me
Flight MILFs are an underrated phenomenon. Talk a lot though
do that boss
But here we are
sneed
Anonymous :
1 year ago :
No.39
>>58
>>39
I both loved and despised the book. Was lucky enough to read it during a college class devoted entirely to it, I think it that really helped as I probably would have given up otherwise. Definitely dense, almost poetic. It's one of those books that I catch myself thinking about almost every day
>>35
Being and Time?
> Being and Time
Is this worth reading?
Being and slime
Anonymous :
1 year ago :
No.58
>>62
>>58
Do you recommend anything as preparatory reading before tackling it?
>>39
>>35
> Being and Time
Is this worth reading?
I both loved and despised the book. Was lucky enough to read it during a college class devoted entirely to it, I think it that really helped as I probably would have given up otherwise. Definitely dense, almost poetic. It's one of those books that I catch myself thinking about almost every day
>>58
>>39
I both loved and despised the book. Was lucky enough to read it during a college class devoted entirely to it, I think it that really helped as I probably would have given up otherwise. Definitely dense, almost poetic. It's one of those books that I catch myself thinking about almost every day
Do you recommend anything as preparatory reading before tackling it?
im gay
Thanks >>93
>>62
We read some of Husserl's Cartesian Meditations beforehand
, >>95You might look at eg Dreyfus’ book on BT; I’m told orthodox Heidegger fans hate his guts but fuck em
I think being an 'orthodox' fan of a philosopher more or less defeats the point of philosophy, doesn't it? What it equates to is basically being an unthinking participant in a game where the goal is to think :p
Anonymous :
1 year ago :
No.131
>>135
>>131
They say the cruel thing about obesity is that it is an addiction to food, the one thing you can't go cold turkey on. Maybe the internet is similar.
>>145>>131
Yeah, the thing that really makes me want to quit is "how we spend our days is how we spend our lives." I had a friend who died unexpectedly of an embolism and candidly I am horrified how much of his life he wasted on SomethingAwful and stupid YouTube shit rather than spending time with the people who will mourn him.
>>17 (OP)
I think my biggest fear isn't even getting brainwormed into some sort of stupid belief, but rather just taking the little dopamine hits, rotting away, until I realize I've wasted my days
>>131
>>17 (OP)
I think my biggest fear isn't even getting brainwormed into some sort of stupid belief, but rather just taking the little dopamine hits, rotting away, until I realize I've wasted my days
They say the cruel thing about obesity is that it is an addiction to food, the one thing you can't go cold turkey on. Maybe the internet is similar.
>>131
>>17 (OP)
I think my biggest fear isn't even getting brainwormed into some sort of stupid belief, but rather just taking the little dopamine hits, rotting away, until I realize I've wasted my days
Yeah, the thing that really makes me want to quit is "how we spend our days is how we spend our lives." I had a friend who died unexpectedly of an embolism and candidly I am horrified how much of his life he wasted on SomethingAwful and stupid YouTube shit rather than spending time with the people who will mourn him.
I dunno. I think it's a matter of time before big platforms become unusable. I do like getting pilled on various topics, disillusioning though it is.
It's pretty over. Way too much is just for attention, and so little creation. Any take on twitter or reddit has devolved into non-information non-humor non-personality nothingness. I dunno if I'd even call it language, it's weird.
I think it's a good thing though and I like discord / chats coming back. Talking about bus shitters is healthier than anything upvoted, liked, ranked, algorithm'd to you now
fellow minnesota retard i salute you
Anonymous :
288 days ago :
No.304
>>308
>>304
The big platforms of the internet are like the roman empire after the marcus aurelius. they will never be good again, but they will take a long time to die.
In the meantime the best chance of preserving what is interesting and valuable is to try and stake out independent places on the frontier beyond the aegis of billionaires and glowies.
>> 231
Honestly, I'm sort of glad for the enshitification of a lot of the bigger places on the internet. Especially as the last few interesting subreddits get banned/die, it's driving me to offsites like this. It's nice almost
>>304
>> 231
Honestly, I'm sort of glad for the enshitification of a lot of the bigger places on the internet. Especially as the last few interesting subreddits get banned/die, it's driving me to offsites like this. It's nice almost
The big platforms of the internet are like the roman empire after the marcus aurelius. they will never be good again, but they will take a long time to die.
In the meantime the best chance of preserving what is interesting and valuable is to try and stake out independent places on the frontier beyond the aegis of billionaires and glowies.
I want to delete everything, but this is basically social suicide. I think maybe I should keep only instagram. I just wish there was a way to only see content from people I follow.
switched to a flip phone a couple months ago. It's been nice. I can feel my attention span increasing and it's starting to be a lot easier to be bored
Anonymous :
287 days ago :
No.381
>>383
>>381
Do americans really? I don't see people doing this in Europe. But everything retarded crosses the ocean eventually so it's just a matter of time.
>>388>>381
no I'm also european. maybe it's more of a white collar job thing idk.
every lunchbreak my coworker is blasting tiktoks from his phone for 30 minutes straigth. this mf won't smoke with us but still stand around, not participating in any discussion. it makes me want to bite my fingers of.
>>381
every lunchbreak my coworker is blasting tiktoks from his phone for 30 minutes straigth. this mf won't smoke with us but still stand around, not participating in any discussion. it makes me want to bite my fingers of.
Do americans really? I don't see people doing this in Europe. But everything retarded crosses the ocean eventually so it's just a matter of time.
>>381
every lunchbreak my coworker is blasting tiktoks from his phone for 30 minutes straigth. this mf won't smoke with us but still stand around, not participating in any discussion. it makes me want to bite my fingers of.
no I'm also european. maybe it's more of a white collar job thing idk.
Anonymous :
287 days ago :
No.395
>>459
>>395
I cannot access reddit anymore: no vpn allowed, no logged off browsing allowed. This is some sort of blessing (less scrolling), except reddit has become a source of information I'm having a hard time replacing. Oh well, I'll find a way.
>>397
>and there is no way to revert to pre-internet or even pre Web 3.0 times.
I'm not sure. So many people I know live 90% off grid. They connect for administrative stuff and piracy, but most of their lives are outside screens (and their kids too). Someone might say: have you seen this youtube vid? And we'll watch it, and that's all. But that would be in semi-rural Europe and these people cultivate contempt for smartphones. It probably is different in the US (?).
The social media giants are clunky, capricious behemoths. They shadow ban you for using a vpn, for trying to direct traffic anywhere off site. Meanwhile bots and scams run rampant. Somebody shows up in your inbox pretending to be a pretty girl to try to rope you into some crypto pump and dump schemes. Everybody who continues to use these things uncritically seemed to be getting dumber.
Anonymous :
287 days ago :
No.397
>>459
>>395
I cannot access reddit anymore: no vpn allowed, no logged off browsing allowed. This is some sort of blessing (less scrolling), except reddit has become a source of information I'm having a hard time replacing. Oh well, I'll find a way.
>>397
>and there is no way to revert to pre-internet or even pre Web 3.0 times.
I'm not sure. So many people I know live 90% off grid. They connect for administrative stuff and piracy, but most of their lives are outside screens (and their kids too). Someone might say: have you seen this youtube vid? And we'll watch it, and that's all. But that would be in semi-rural Europe and these people cultivate contempt for smartphones. It probably is different in the US (?).
Honestly feels like we've already released Pandora's Box and there is no way to revert to pre-internet or even pre Web 3.0 times. I'm glad there's a new image board that hopefully won't be shitted up but it's unlikely we'll ever have a 'safespace' where we can go back to the old days just because the cat is out of the bag. I'm just gonna go with the flow and try and resist using brain rotting content as much as possible. Difficult when so much of my main form of internet communication (instagram) is just TikTok-lite.
Anyways, $4 a pound.
Idk, I think that there’s still a lot of value in non-fully online forums. Group chats and discords for small communities can be amazing. My mum’s on a WhatsApp group with her book club and it’s very cute. The internet might be bad, but there are still some nuggets around.
I choose to believe that humanity will evolve to be able to handle the internet just as we evolved to handle booze.
Just wanna pirate white pony and visit dollmaker sites again :(
>421
humanity's going extinct in a matter of decades
Anonymous :
285 days ago :
No.434
>>435
>>434
Do you work from your house most of the time?
I found that working from cafes, parks, museums and libraries makes enduring the screens much more manageable. You also end up naturally meeting people that also work at those places.
I'd like to be mostly offline but I don't have the means or opportunity. It sucks to be WFH and glued to the computer all day. An old comment from Anna on the pod was how if you're rich you have the luxury of being offline and not looking at screens.
Anonymous :
284 days ago :
No.435
>>440
>>435
I could give those a try. Being in the WFH rut has killed my motivation and energy
>>434
I'd like to be mostly offline but I don't have the means or opportunity. It sucks to be WFH and glued to the computer all day. An old comment from Anna on the pod was how if you're rich you have the luxury of being offline and not looking at screens.
Do you work from your house most of the time?
I found that working from cafes, parks, museums and libraries makes enduring the screens much more manageable. You also end up naturally meeting people that also work at those places.
>>435
>>434
Do you work from your house most of the time?
I found that working from cafes, parks, museums and libraries makes enduring the screens much more manageable. You also end up naturally meeting people that also work at those places.
I could give those a try. Being in the WFH rut has killed my motivation and energy
Anonymous :
282 days ago :
No.458
>>596
>>458
This place is really nice and I hope it stays that way for a long time. I tiny bit more activity would be cool. The rs subs have been shit for years at this point. Reddit (and other social media) as a whole is useless apart from some very niche hobby subreddits. Even more niche imageboards are infested with 4chan /pol/ brainrot losers or get spammed by CP bots. Its all hopeless.
I recently had the idea of trying to set up some kind of messageboard or forum that is not indexed by any search engines and not advertised anywhere on the web. The only way of learning about it would be by finding stickers/posters/etc that I (and my cabal of international nerd friends) have put up in places that might attract interesting people (i.e. university departments, specific clubs, cafes, theatres, conferences, etc.)
Its a very elitist approach and there is a very high chance that no one finds the site at all and it dies in obscurity. But I feel like it could be an interesting experiment and the only way of hosting an online community that does not get subsumed by internet mainstream brainrot is hiding in the periphery as much as one can.
Am really grateful for this board too :) absent of the degeneracy of 4chan, existential malice of the lolcow farms while maintaining just the right amount of snark and authenticity that sets it apart from the homogeneity of the neurotic “decent fucking person” echo chambers we see in abundance. I relate to the other posts on here feeling like their minds have been rotted by unfunny memes, culture wars and ragebait. I really want this place to last. The closest thing to old internet I’ve experienced was “Spacehey” a MySpace clone - the layout is nostalgic enough but most people on there turned out to be low attention span self diagnosed zoomers who listened to 100gecs and ayesha erotica while insisting on being scene so it just wasn’t the same. Also no top 8 :(
Anonymous :
282 days ago :
No.459
>>477
>>459
Yeah I would say that rural Eastern Europe is a little different than the US. You guys will eventually end up like that African tribe that got starlink and the whole village got addicted to gambling and porn. It'll come for all of us eventually.
>>395
The social media giants are clunky, capricious behemoths. They shadow ban you for using a vpn, for trying to direct traffic anywhere off site. Meanwhile bots and scams run rampant. Somebody shows up in your inbox pretending to be a pretty girl to try to rope you into some crypto pump and dump schemes. Everybody who continues to use these things uncritically seemed to be getting dumber.
I cannot access reddit anymore: no vpn allowed, no logged off browsing allowed. This is some sort of blessing (less scrolling), except reddit has become a source of information I'm having a hard time replacing. Oh well, I'll find a way.
>>397Honestly feels like we've already released Pandora's Box and there is no way to revert to pre-internet or even pre Web 3.0 times. I'm glad there's a new image board that hopefully won't be shitted up but it's unlikely we'll ever have a 'safespace' where we can go back to the old days just because the cat is out of the bag. I'm just gonna go with the flow and try and resist using brain rotting content as much as possible. Difficult when so much of my main form of internet communication (instagram) is just TikTok-lite.
Anyways, $4 a pound.
>and there is no way to revert to pre-internet or even pre Web 3.0 times.
I'm not sure. So many people I know live 90% off grid. They connect for administrative stuff and piracy, but most of their lives are outside screens (and their kids too). Someone might say: have you seen this youtube vid? And we'll watch it, and that's all. But that would be in semi-rural Europe and these people cultivate contempt for smartphones. It probably is different in the US (?).
If you like this board please mention it on those rsp threads where people complain about the state of the sub and other internet places with good vibes / cultural discussion, it's really the only way to grow the readership as an independent forum.
Anonymous :
281 days ago :
No.477
>>490
>>477
That's rural Western Europe. We have broadband internet since the late 90s, so something else is at play.
>>459
>>395
I cannot access reddit anymore: no vpn allowed, no logged off browsing allowed. This is some sort of blessing (less scrolling), except reddit has become a source of information I'm having a hard time replacing. Oh well, I'll find a way.
>>397
>and there is no way to revert to pre-internet or even pre Web 3.0 times.
I'm not sure. So many people I know live 90% off grid. They connect for administrative stuff and piracy, but most of their lives are outside screens (and their kids too). Someone might say: have you seen this youtube vid? And we'll watch it, and that's all. But that would be in semi-rural Europe and these people cultivate contempt for smartphones. It probably is different in the US (?).
Yeah I would say that rural Eastern Europe is a little different than the US. You guys will eventually end up like that African tribe that got starlink and the whole village got addicted to gambling and porn. It'll come for all of us eventually.
Mention it on /r/RSBookclub, that's where the quality people are.
>>477
>>459
Yeah I would say that rural Eastern Europe is a little different than the US. You guys will eventually end up like that African tribe that got starlink and the whole village got addicted to gambling and porn. It'll come for all of us eventually.
That's rural Western Europe. We have broadband internet since the late 90s, so something else is at play.
Anonymous :
259 days ago :
No.596
>>597
>>596
admin here. Thank you for your nice words about the imageboard. I have some ideas for trying to bring more of the right sort of users to the board but I don't think it's something I can do alone.
What I'm saying is that if you write petrarchan.com in the stalls of a really good dive bar or similar you will have my eternal thanks :)
>>600>>596
>>597
AFAIK, robots crawl everywhere, no matter the amount of robots.txt. Current era forces us all into walled internet if we want anything else than slop and memes and advertisement (either paywall or any kind of loginwall). The old free access, wild west, edge of the world Internet is a thing of the past.
Pt is exempt because it is small, but if it succeeds into harboring more users, it will face the same issue: a robot variation on eternal September.
I don't have a solution.
>>458
Am really grateful for this board too :) absent of the degeneracy of 4chan, existential malice of the lolcow farms while maintaining just the right amount of snark and authenticity that sets it apart from the homogeneity of the neurotic “decent fucking person” echo chambers we see in abundance. I relate to the other posts on here feeling like their minds have been rotted by unfunny memes, culture wars and ragebait. I really want this place to last. The closest thing to old internet I’ve experienced was “Spacehey” a MySpace clone - the layout is nostalgic enough but most people on there turned out to be low attention span self diagnosed zoomers who listened to 100gecs and ayesha erotica while insisting on being scene so it just wasn’t the same. Also no top 8 :(
This place is really nice and I hope it stays that way for a long time. I tiny bit more activity would be cool. The rs subs have been shit for years at this point. Reddit (and other social media) as a whole is useless apart from some very niche hobby subreddits. Even more niche imageboards are infested with 4chan /pol/ brainrot losers or get spammed by CP bots. Its all hopeless.
I recently had the idea of trying to set up some kind of messageboard or forum that is not indexed by any search engines and not advertised anywhere on the web. The only way of learning about it would be by finding stickers/posters/etc that I (and my cabal of international nerd friends) have put up in places that might attract interesting people (i.e. university departments, specific clubs, cafes, theatres, conferences, etc.)
Its a very elitist approach and there is a very high chance that no one finds the site at all and it dies in obscurity. But I feel like it could be an interesting experiment and the only way of hosting an online community that does not get subsumed by internet mainstream brainrot is hiding in the periphery as much as one can.
Anonymous :
259 days ago :
No.597
>>600
>>596
>>597
AFAIK, robots crawl everywhere, no matter the amount of robots.txt. Current era forces us all into walled internet if we want anything else than slop and memes and advertisement (either paywall or any kind of loginwall). The old free access, wild west, edge of the world Internet is a thing of the past.
Pt is exempt because it is small, but if it succeeds into harboring more users, it will face the same issue: a robot variation on eternal September.
I don't have a solution.
>>1731>>597
The monkey's paw curls, you all got mentioned on Kiwifarms which is why I am here. The good news is you got mentioned because the & compilation got posted here, and someone over there wanted to share it. So the kind of people who follow the link here are probably going to be folk with a literary inclination, so it's not all bad.
>>596
>>458
This place is really nice and I hope it stays that way for a long time. I tiny bit more activity would be cool. The rs subs have been shit for years at this point. Reddit (and other social media) as a whole is useless apart from some very niche hobby subreddits. Even more niche imageboards are infested with 4chan /pol/ brainrot losers or get spammed by CP bots. Its all hopeless.
I recently had the idea of trying to set up some kind of messageboard or forum that is not indexed by any search engines and not advertised anywhere on the web. The only way of learning about it would be by finding stickers/posters/etc that I (and my cabal of international nerd friends) have put up in places that might attract interesting people (i.e. university departments, specific clubs, cafes, theatres, conferences, etc.)
Its a very elitist approach and there is a very high chance that no one finds the site at all and it dies in obscurity. But I feel like it could be an interesting experiment and the only way of hosting an online community that does not get subsumed by internet mainstream brainrot is hiding in the periphery as much as one can.
admin here. Thank you for your nice words about the imageboard. I have some ideas for trying to bring more of the right sort of users to the board but I don't think it's something I can do alone.
What I'm saying is that if you write petrarchan.com in the stalls of a really good dive bar or similar you will have my eternal thanks :)
>>596
>>458
This place is really nice and I hope it stays that way for a long time. I tiny bit more activity would be cool. The rs subs have been shit for years at this point. Reddit (and other social media) as a whole is useless apart from some very niche hobby subreddits. Even more niche imageboards are infested with 4chan /pol/ brainrot losers or get spammed by CP bots. Its all hopeless.
I recently had the idea of trying to set up some kind of messageboard or forum that is not indexed by any search engines and not advertised anywhere on the web. The only way of learning about it would be by finding stickers/posters/etc that I (and my cabal of international nerd friends) have put up in places that might attract interesting people (i.e. university departments, specific clubs, cafes, theatres, conferences, etc.)
Its a very elitist approach and there is a very high chance that no one finds the site at all and it dies in obscurity. But I feel like it could be an interesting experiment and the only way of hosting an online community that does not get subsumed by internet mainstream brainrot is hiding in the periphery as much as one can.
>>597>>596
admin here. Thank you for your nice words about the imageboard. I have some ideas for trying to bring more of the right sort of users to the board but I don't think it's something I can do alone.
What I'm saying is that if you write petrarchan.com in the stalls of a really good dive bar or similar you will have my eternal thanks :)
AFAIK, robots crawl everywhere, no matter the amount of robots.txt. Current era forces us all into walled internet if we want anything else than slop and memes and advertisement (either paywall or any kind of loginwall). The old free access, wild west, edge of the world Internet is a thing of the past.
Pt is exempt because it is small, but if it succeeds into harboring more users, it will face the same issue: a robot variation on eternal September.
I don't have a solution.
>35
Question Concerning Technology
Anonymous :
225 days ago :
No.741
>>744
>>741
My advice is to say something sincere but nasty on your fav time-waster site.
What works for me is saying something heartfelt but disagreeable in public. That way I avoid the site where I said it so that I never have to deal with the response that other people will have to my disagreeable opinion. I get to preserve my ego AND enjoy the edgy pleasure of being a provocateur, but I just have to give up a website to achieve it.
Guess my attachment style.
>>765>>741
I've found my internet use naturally dropping since I started taking long walks. 10,000 steps a day seems to give me a lot of energy so it's easier to actually do something instead of just vegging in front of the computer.
Honestly though my old internet haunts have also gotten boring so it's easier to pull myself away
Also it's easier to stop doing something if you have something else to replace it, so try to cultivate some new hobbies
>I'm going to stop going online so much today's the day just stay away from the computer
>But..I suppose maybe listening to some music couldn't hurt (or email or whatever excuse)
>Proceed to waste 3 hours
How to stop this?
Anonymous :
225 days ago :
No.744
>>751
Works for other sites but I mostly use 4chan (/lit/) and youtube
>>744
>>741
>I'm going to stop going online so much today's the day just stay away from the computer
>But..I suppose maybe listening to some music couldn't hurt (or email or whatever excuse)
>Proceed to waste 3 hours
How to stop this?
My advice is to say something sincere but nasty on your fav time-waster site.
What works for me is saying something heartfelt but disagreeable in public. That way I avoid the site where I said it so that I never have to deal with the response that other people will have to my disagreeable opinion. I get to preserve my ego AND enjoy the edgy pleasure of being a provocateur, but I just have to give up a website to achieve it.
Guess my attachment style.
Works for other sites but I mostly use 4chan (/lit/) and youtube
>>744
>>741
My advice is to say something sincere but nasty on your fav time-waster site.
What works for me is saying something heartfelt but disagreeable in public. That way I avoid the site where I said it so that I never have to deal with the response that other people will have to my disagreeable opinion. I get to preserve my ego AND enjoy the edgy pleasure of being a provocateur, but I just have to give up a website to achieve it.
Guess my attachment style.
>>741
>I'm going to stop going online so much today's the day just stay away from the computer
>But..I suppose maybe listening to some music couldn't hurt (or email or whatever excuse)
>Proceed to waste 3 hours
How to stop this?
I've found my internet use naturally dropping since I started taking long walks. 10,000 steps a day seems to give me a lot of energy so it's easier to actually do something instead of just vegging in front of the computer.
Honestly though my old internet haunts have also gotten boring so it's easier to pull myself away
Also it's easier to stop doing something if you have something else to replace it, so try to cultivate some new hobbies
Anonymous :
136 days ago :
No.911
>>914
>>911
>she loads up on the self-directed negativity because once she's under this load of shame she doesn't feel the additional shame that comes with behaving badly.
You express the idea well (I recognize it). It's a bit like taking a shitbath so you can't complain about the smell of your farts (and neither can anyone else).
It's debasing your self, because starting from a lower point is easier - so it's a low self-esteem issue, also some lack of courage.
I understand the urge, but it condemns one to mediocrity.
I came to the edgy podcast when I was feeling pretty low and lonely. The experience of listening to two cool girls sneer at things had gratified something about my loneliness. I really enjoyed the community that they had engendered because it seemed like it was organized around people who could at least recognize people were falsifying their preferences (read: people in the community could see the obvious trash being passed off as art, insight, or fairness). I found this addictive because I'm a strong people-pleaser. I grew up in a slightly abusive context and it's been a struggle for me to stand up for my own judgments.
But the edgy podcast has been lost at sea for years and one of the girls, A, is obviously addicted to /pol/ fandom. I stopped listening after they had a famous racist on the pod. But I've stuck with the community for better or worse. Now that community is being overrun by more /pol/-tier racism and I think this is closing time. But before I go I want to share a read that I have on A that comes out of the low loneliness that felt relieved by this podcast:
There's something about A that I recognize in myself. For her, the thrill is in being so self-effacing that she's permitted to say awful things about everyone else. She thinks that it's paradoxical that she's really nice even though she has a horrifying reputation online. This is not paradoxical at all: she loads up on the self-directed negativity because once she's under this load of shame she doesn't feel the additional shame that comes with behaving badly. I know this because it's also true in my life: I have a handful of shame-games that I play that give me this awful headachey guilt but once I have it then I'm insulated from the additional guilt that comes with being selfish.
I don't really know what to do with this knowledge, but it really seems like closing time for the podcast and the community. This is basically the best last thing I could get from this: recognizing the venom that others are drinking at least so that I will put down the glass myself.
Anonymous :
134 days ago :
No.913
>>916
>>913
I really like this post because I really relate to the whizzing bullets analogy. I see it everywhere now, I see people recoiling in horror at other people who are slightly more cringe, slightly more unaware, slightly more of a loser than themselves.
In fact, I've realised that a large proportion of the time, if you see someone being unreasonably angry or mean to someone else, the reason is because they feel threatened by the insinuation that the two of them are more or less the same. There is nothing scarier than someone who is 15% more pathetic than yourself.
>> I think about it a lot, see a lot of people as "whizzing bullets" of myself. Anyone else do this?
Is it empathy, or it it hatred?
Anonymous :
132 days ago :
No.914
>>917
>>914
Anna has this all consuming need to be, figuratively speaking, Christ on the cross, crying out in his agony, all the world against him.
She will say virtually anything to attain this hallowed state, logic and empathy be damned.
>>911
I came to the edgy podcast when I was feeling pretty low and lonely. The experience of listening to two cool girls sneer at things had gratified something about my loneliness. I really enjoyed the community that they had engendered because it seemed like it was organized around people who could at least recognize people were falsifying their preferences (read: people in the community could see the obvious trash being passed off as art, insight, or fairness). I found this addictive because I'm a strong people-pleaser. I grew up in a slightly abusive context and it's been a struggle for me to stand up for my own judgments.
But the edgy podcast has been lost at sea for years and one of the girls, A, is obviously addicted to /pol/ fandom. I stopped listening after they had a famous racist on the pod. But I've stuck with the community for better or worse. Now that community is being overrun by more /pol/-tier racism and I think this is closing time. But before I go I want to share a read that I have on A that comes out of the low loneliness that felt relieved by this podcast:
There's something about A that I recognize in myself. For her, the thrill is in being so self-effacing that she's permitted to say awful things about everyone else. She thinks that it's paradoxical that she's really nice even though she has a horrifying reputation online. This is not paradoxical at all: she loads up on the self-directed negativity because once she's under this load of shame she doesn't feel the additional shame that comes with behaving badly. I know this because it's also true in my life: I have a handful of shame-games that I play that give me this awful headachey guilt but once I have it then I'm insulated from the additional guilt that comes with being selfish.
I don't really know what to do with this knowledge, but it really seems like closing time for the podcast and the community. This is basically the best last thing I could get from this: recognizing the venom that others are drinking at least so that I will put down the glass myself.
>she loads up on the self-directed negativity because once she's under this load of shame she doesn't feel the additional shame that comes with behaving badly.
You express the idea well (I recognize it). It's a bit like taking a shitbath so you can't complain about the smell of your farts (and neither can anyone else).
It's debasing your self, because starting from a lower point is easier - so it's a low self-esteem issue, also some lack of courage.
I understand the urge, but it condemns one to mediocrity.
>>913
>> I think about it a lot, see a lot of people as "whizzing bullets" of myself. Anyone else do this?
Is it empathy, or it it hatred?
I really like this post because I really relate to the whizzing bullets analogy. I see it everywhere now, I see people recoiling in horror at other people who are slightly more cringe, slightly more unaware, slightly more of a loser than themselves.
In fact, I've realised that a large proportion of the time, if you see someone being unreasonably angry or mean to someone else, the reason is because they feel threatened by the insinuation that the two of them are more or less the same. There is nothing scarier than someone who is 15% more pathetic than yourself.
Anonymous :
132 days ago :
No.917
>>920
>>917
But Christ on the cross is all about being (and suffering) as a human, all about understanding those who have killed him and thus opening the route to forgiveness. It's not a raising up to a hallowed state, but rather a humble lowering down.
Whatever sort of thing Anna'd be going for here isn't meant to gain an understanding of 'the haters', but rather to be un-understandable and raised above them.
>>914
>>911
>she loads up on the self-directed negativity because once she's under this load of shame she doesn't feel the additional shame that comes with behaving badly.
You express the idea well (I recognize it). It's a bit like taking a shitbath so you can't complain about the smell of your farts (and neither can anyone else).
It's debasing your self, because starting from a lower point is easier - so it's a low self-esteem issue, also some lack of courage.
I understand the urge, but it condemns one to mediocrity.
Anna has this all consuming need to be, figuratively speaking, Christ on the cross, crying out in his agony, all the world against him.
She will say virtually anything to attain this hallowed state, logic and empathy be damned.
>>917
>>914
Anna has this all consuming need to be, figuratively speaking, Christ on the cross, crying out in his agony, all the world against him.
She will say virtually anything to attain this hallowed state, logic and empathy be damned.
But Christ on the cross is all about being (and suffering) as a human, all about understanding those who have killed him and thus opening the route to forgiveness. It's not a raising up to a hallowed state, but rather a humble lowering down.
Whatever sort of thing Anna'd be going for here isn't meant to gain an understanding of 'the haters', but rather to be un-understandable and raised above them.
maybe we shouldn't give up on internet culture as a whole but just astro-turfed, botted garbage full of AI content
Anonymous :
126 days ago :
No.927
>>1755
>>927
Discord really is just about the worst thing of all time. It's especially grating when people bring it up as a substitute for dying/dead forums or imageboards. As if.
I miss chatroom culture more than forum/early social media culture. Discord is the antichrist.
Anonymous :
100 days ago :
No.1161
>>1243
>>1161
>and there'd be 500 people posting there with in jokes, lingo and culture unique to that board. And you had to lurk to understand it
The deciphering was the best part imo
The internet used to be a better, less cynical place. I remember you could find a forum for lets say, music production fans and there'd be 500 people posting there with in jokes, lingo and culture unique to that board. And you had to lurk to understand it because if you didn't people would make fun of you.
People can blame discord but the issue really is reddit and overall, the shrinking of the internet by huge corporations who want to control everything. You used to be able to find people in all different sites and places. Now, people use a handful of sites. Reddit, one or two social media sites, youtube & a news site. It's a far cry from people just scrolling the web looking for cool things. Oh well, nothing really lasts forever. The future is lame.
Anonymous :
87 days ago :
No.1243
>>1332
>>1243
one of the things i find most unnerving about smartphone era culture is the seepage of online vocab into real life. not a priori because words have spread and meanings have broaded since forever, but somehow (the nature of algorithmic content?) everyone who is tapped in gets a firmware update at the same time and start saying some online phrase (many such cases). there's a clear separation between like a 4chan user or AA member who couldn't turn the jargon off and would say "normie" in polite company and someone who got it implanted into their brain when it suddenly became a fan favorite in like 2018. whenever the latter repeats some phrase to me that i've been marinating in for a decade i pretend like i don't know what they're talking about because it triggers the same reaction as a greasy child talking to me about rare pepes in 2016 unaware that no one thinks he's funny. it's obviously a different phenomenon though
>>1161
The internet used to be a better, less cynical place. I remember you could find a forum for lets say, music production fans and there'd be 500 people posting there with in jokes, lingo and culture unique to that board. And you had to lurk to understand it because if you didn't people would make fun of you.
People can blame discord but the issue really is reddit and overall, the shrinking of the internet by huge corporations who want to control everything. You used to be able to find people in all different sites and places. Now, people use a handful of sites. Reddit, one or two social media sites, youtube & a news site. It's a far cry from people just scrolling the web looking for cool things. Oh well, nothing really lasts forever. The future is lame.
>and there'd be 500 people posting there with in jokes, lingo and culture unique to that board. And you had to lurk to understand it
The deciphering was the best part imo
I just want to add one thing to anyone, anywhere who's reading this:
One of the most poisonous things you can read about online is any sort of "how am I doing? is this a normal way for things to go?" board / forum / discord. That includes job hunting stuff, dating advice, grad school rumors, any of it. The only people who have a healthy relationship to those places take one look, grab a small number of hypotheses to test, and log off for good.
The people who stay on those message boards are basically mired in self-hatred and self-blame. Stay long enough and you'll start thinking about totally normal, workable problems in terms of fundamental deficiencies, unsolvable problems, and ropefuel. But the truth is that for any deficiency you might think you have (bad CV, physical attribute, GPA), there are countless people who have had similar deficiencies in similar situations and most of them simply found a way to *work it.* The kinds of creativity and novelty that it takes to find a way to *work it* are completely contrary to the culture of advice boards.
Anonymous :
76 days ago :
No.1332
>>1333
>>1332
The solution is still to bring back snobbishness, which is just civilized shaming.
>>1243
>>1161
>and there'd be 500 people posting there with in jokes, lingo and culture unique to that board. And you had to lurk to understand it
The deciphering was the best part imo
one of the things i find most unnerving about smartphone era culture is the seepage of online vocab into real life. not a priori because words have spread and meanings have broaded since forever, but somehow (the nature of algorithmic content?) everyone who is tapped in gets a firmware update at the same time and start saying some online phrase (many such cases). there's a clear separation between like a 4chan user or AA member who couldn't turn the jargon off and would say "normie" in polite company and someone who got it implanted into their brain when it suddenly became a fan favorite in like 2018. whenever the latter repeats some phrase to me that i've been marinating in for a decade i pretend like i don't know what they're talking about because it triggers the same reaction as a greasy child talking to me about rare pepes in 2016 unaware that no one thinks he's funny. it's obviously a different phenomenon though
>>1332
>>1243
one of the things i find most unnerving about smartphone era culture is the seepage of online vocab into real life. not a priori because words have spread and meanings have broaded since forever, but somehow (the nature of algorithmic content?) everyone who is tapped in gets a firmware update at the same time and start saying some online phrase (many such cases). there's a clear separation between like a 4chan user or AA member who couldn't turn the jargon off and would say "normie" in polite company and someone who got it implanted into their brain when it suddenly became a fan favorite in like 2018. whenever the latter repeats some phrase to me that i've been marinating in for a decade i pretend like i don't know what they're talking about because it triggers the same reaction as a greasy child talking to me about rare pepes in 2016 unaware that no one thinks he's funny. it's obviously a different phenomenon though
The solution is still to bring back snobbishness, which is just civilized shaming.
Monty :
63 days ago :
No.1366
>>1371
>>1366
I'm working on forum software at the moment with a view to try and help people go back to independent sites. the problem is that the British online safety bill is terrifying for independent forum operators.
> t. petrarchan admin
Do you guys think we will ever go back to a time where forums will be popular again. Used to be a top poster on Overclockers UK until it started to die and the admins got all pissy about people getting annoyed about being banned
Anonymous :
63 days ago :
No.1367
>>1672
>>1367
Interaction dopamine isn't all of it. There's a terribly addictive potential to even just lurking, what with the appeal of shutting off all your thoughts. Perhaps it's the ease of access. Convienience will be a deathblow to this generation.
>> 1366
The interaction dopamine of modern social media is unironically too good. And children will grow up without knowing anything else. We're a bit fucked, though I perhaps those who'll be able to avoid the internet will have a blessed existence
>>1366
Do you guys think we will ever go back to a time where forums will be popular again. Used to be a top poster on Overclockers UK until it started to die and the admins got all pissy about people getting annoyed about being banned
I'm working on forum software at the moment with a view to try and help people go back to independent sites. the problem is that the British online safety bill is terrifying for independent forum operators.
> t. petrarchan admin
Yeah we have no freedoms anymore. I'll give you another example, you can't even go to car meets without the police gaining access to FB groups and whatsapp chats in order to catch people
>>1367
>> 1366
The interaction dopamine of modern social media is unironically too good. And children will grow up without knowing anything else. We're a bit fucked, though I perhaps those who'll be able to avoid the internet will have a blessed existence
Interaction dopamine isn't all of it. There's a terribly addictive potential to even just lurking, what with the appeal of shutting off all your thoughts. Perhaps it's the ease of access. Convienience will be a deathblow to this generation.
Anonymous :
37 days ago :
No.1677
>>1698
>>1677
it is incredibly hard to maintain a community above a certain size. it might actually be impossible. hence why people have been creating /r/trueolives instead of /r/olives or /r/windowcleaning2 instead of /r/windowcleaning for decades on reddit.
I once thought about making a forum with exactly 10,000 members allowed. The first of every month, any users who haven't been active in $X months get their accounts revoked, and the slots get issued based on a queue or an application system or something.
I don't know why I keep hopping between different RS forums. From r/redscarepod, to rsx, to the rdrama clone, and now here. The immediate answer, as always, is that it becomes too popular. Too redditified.
However, I'm not sure if that's actually true. It's difficult to assess if the content being posted is objectively of lower quality than before. Even more difficult when there are other people who'll share the same sentiments as you ("it's over", "shut it down", "go back", "front page", etc.) I think I might just like the feeling of being in a "niche" community. Be it because I feel more aloof or it's just genuinely more cozy and personal.
Why do these types of splinter forums prop up in the first place? Is there gonna be a splinter forum for Petrarchan in a few months?
Anonymous :
37 days ago :
No.1686
>>1696
>>1686
welcome back, this is now the oldest thread in the history of this website. and I truly hope you achieve what you want to. but if not, see you next year :^p
I made this thread a year ago. I was the one at the MPLS shake shack. I was the one who thought about quitting internet culture. And then, for a year, I just... didn't.
I feel like the events of >>1664 are another obvious indicator that it's time to leave the internet. I don't have anything kind I want to say about that site or chan culture other than this: Every one of the five remaining sites is going to resemble Heaven Banning or some similar offshoot of Dead Internet Theory. No antisocial weirdness, no spontaneity, nothing beyond what the AI editors trained on Conde Nast or Barstool Sports would approve of.
This year I went to the same annual thing that took me to the MPLS shake shack last year. I went to MPLS again and I reflected on how I did nothing. I spent another year doing a thing I didn't really like and I didn't really get a lot out of it. I didn't find a lot of new culture. I probably could have found more by just opening up an issue of the New Yorker (or whatever print pub, you get the idea) and looking up things that sound interesting. I certainly wasted a year that I could have spent going out and building rapport with people. A year of friendship potential consigned to oblivion.
In the last year, a good friend who I morally admire happened to have quit screen / scrolling stuff without any input on my part. I'm not clear but I suspect that part of his motivation was also quitting porn -- he initially talked about how he really had to quit watching "videos" (unspecified) and it genuinely might have been either porn or YouTube running amock on his ADD. Whatever the motivation, he seems to have done it.
When I landed I texted my friend that I was going to go low-screen for the next 72 hours. That was Sunday. I'm here, obviously, so it's not a resounding success. But at work yesterday I successfully stopped myself from wasting time. In early April I bought myself a linen-cover journal that I like and it's just a way better use of my life to use that to escape from stuff (as opposed to the web). I'm much more active so far.
Fuck it people I'm doing it.
>
In the last year, a good friend who I morally admire happened to have quit screen / scrolling stuff without any input on my part. I'm not clear but I suspect that part of his motivation was also quitting porn -- he initially talked about how he really had to quit watching "videos" (unspecified) and it genuinely might have been either porn or YouTube running amock on his ADD. Whatever the motivation, he seems to have done it.
maybe i need to do this im 22 no failed high school spent the last 15 years posting on half chan cripple chan and so on maybe i just need to disconnect from it all pluss i have 337 days played in hours on steam and iv only had my account for 10 years
I remember quitting the internet and video games for a few months. It was the most productive and happy I've been, yet I fell back into it.
There's this gnawing in my heart, so bitter and depressive, that tells me I don't deserve an ounce of happiness in my life. No matter if I turned a new leaf and lived like a saint, or solved every problem plaguing the world. That in the end it just wouldn't amount to even a grain of a goodness. The thing is however, is that I agree with this gnawing. It was a truth left unspoken between myself and others.
That's why I wouldn't mind going back to 4chan.
>>1686
I made this thread a year ago. I was the one at the MPLS shake shack. I was the one who thought about quitting internet culture. And then, for a year, I just... didn't.
I feel like the events of >>1664 are another obvious indicator that it's time to leave the internet. I don't have anything kind I want to say about that site or chan culture other than this: Every one of the five remaining sites is going to resemble Heaven Banning or some similar offshoot of Dead Internet Theory. No antisocial weirdness, no spontaneity, nothing beyond what the AI editors trained on Conde Nast or Barstool Sports would approve of.
This year I went to the same annual thing that took me to the MPLS shake shack last year. I went to MPLS again and I reflected on how I did nothing. I spent another year doing a thing I didn't really like and I didn't really get a lot out of it. I didn't find a lot of new culture. I probably could have found more by just opening up an issue of the New Yorker (or whatever print pub, you get the idea) and looking up things that sound interesting. I certainly wasted a year that I could have spent going out and building rapport with people. A year of friendship potential consigned to oblivion.
In the last year, a good friend who I morally admire happened to have quit screen / scrolling stuff without any input on my part. I'm not clear but I suspect that part of his motivation was also quitting porn -- he initially talked about how he really had to quit watching "videos" (unspecified) and it genuinely might have been either porn or YouTube running amock on his ADD. Whatever the motivation, he seems to have done it.
When I landed I texted my friend that I was going to go low-screen for the next 72 hours. That was Sunday. I'm here, obviously, so it's not a resounding success. But at work yesterday I successfully stopped myself from wasting time. In early April I bought myself a linen-cover journal that I like and it's just a way better use of my life to use that to escape from stuff (as opposed to the web). I'm much more active so far.
Fuck it people I'm doing it.
welcome back, this is now the oldest thread in the history of this website. and I truly hope you achieve what you want to. but if not, see you next year :^p
This whole Dead Internet thing makes me real sad desu. The propest of 4chin closing for good got me feeling blue the whole day, and I'm not even an oldfag I joined like 3 years ago.
The prospect of leaving the internet doesn't even feel that appealing to me, possibly because I grew up with it. It feels like to me like Internet Realism, if I were to adapt the idea from capitalism realism, even real life doesn't feel like a good enough replacement. But I've never been a part of a lasting group of friends, every seems fade away, such is life i guess but why even bother then
Anonymous :
37 days ago :
No.1698
>>1717
>>1698
Interesting idea but who even has the attention span to get it if they don't get in immediately anymore? There was a time when Facebook was just for colleges or Gmail wa invite only, but that Cartman amusement park scheme only works now if you have cash to flood people in to begin with
>>1677
I don't know why I keep hopping between different RS forums. From r/redscarepod, to rsx, to the rdrama clone, and now here. The immediate answer, as always, is that it becomes too popular. Too redditified.
However, I'm not sure if that's actually true. It's difficult to assess if the content being posted is objectively of lower quality than before. Even more difficult when there are other people who'll share the same sentiments as you ("it's over", "shut it down", "go back", "front page", etc.) I think I might just like the feeling of being in a "niche" community. Be it because I feel more aloof or it's just genuinely more cozy and personal.
Why do these types of splinter forums prop up in the first place? Is there gonna be a splinter forum for Petrarchan in a few months?
it is incredibly hard to maintain a community above a certain size. it might actually be impossible. hence why people have been creating /r/trueolives instead of /r/olives or /r/windowcleaning2 instead of /r/windowcleaning for decades on reddit.
I once thought about making a forum with exactly 10,000 members allowed. The first of every month, any users who haven't been active in $X months get their accounts revoked, and the slots get issued based on a queue or an application system or something.
>>1698
>>1677
it is incredibly hard to maintain a community above a certain size. it might actually be impossible. hence why people have been creating /r/trueolives instead of /r/olives or /r/windowcleaning2 instead of /r/windowcleaning for decades on reddit.
I once thought about making a forum with exactly 10,000 members allowed. The first of every month, any users who haven't been active in $X months get their accounts revoked, and the slots get issued based on a queue or an application system or something.
Interesting idea but who even has the attention span to get it if they don't get in immediately anymore? There was a time when Facebook was just for colleges or Gmail wa invite only, but that Cartman amusement park scheme only works now if you have cash to flood people in to begin with
Anonymous :
36 days ago :
No.1731
>>1733
>>1731
KiwiFarms people are welcome too. Thank you to whomever posted it and if anyone knows more places where /lit/ refugees are looking for a new home please share the board there as well.
>>597
>>596
admin here. Thank you for your nice words about the imageboard. I have some ideas for trying to bring more of the right sort of users to the board but I don't think it's something I can do alone.
What I'm saying is that if you write petrarchan.com in the stalls of a really good dive bar or similar you will have my eternal thanks :)
The monkey's paw curls, you all got mentioned on Kiwifarms which is why I am here. The good news is you got mentioned because the & compilation got posted here, and someone over there wanted to share it. So the kind of people who follow the link here are probably going to be folk with a literary inclination, so it's not all bad.
>>1731
>>597
The monkey's paw curls, you all got mentioned on Kiwifarms which is why I am here. The good news is you got mentioned because the & compilation got posted here, and someone over there wanted to share it. So the kind of people who follow the link here are probably going to be folk with a literary inclination, so it's not all bad.
KiwiFarms people are welcome too. Thank you to whomever posted it and if anyone knows more places where /lit/ refugees are looking for a new home please share the board there as well.
>>927
I miss chatroom culture more than forum/early social media culture. Discord is the antichrist.
Discord really is just about the worst thing of all time. It's especially grating when people bring it up as a substitute for dying/dead forums or imageboards. As if.
Anonymous :
36 days ago :
No.1811
>>1823
>>1811
With the way the world is going, I don't think anyone can break with their internet addiction. I can't say that's all bad, though. Dropped almost 70 pounds and managed to eek out an existence online while being a terminal shut-in who goes for the occasional neighborhood walk.
The Internet and its culture have been both such a creative and destructive force in my life that I sometimes wish I could lick my wounds, and break with it altogether. Live a life farming, in the sun, and care not an iota for the non bodied series of tube's. I used to think they were ridiculous, but I've seriously thought about getting a dumbphone in the recent months. I'm an addict; most things that give me pleasure, I'll abuse. But the Internet is something hard to shake off. I love it too much, and it's been with me too long.
I try to also read more, keep away from electronics, work with my hands. But I'll find myself somewhere like here eventually.
Anonymous :
36 days ago :
No.1823
>>1842
>>1823
No, similarly, there is a glimmer of desire within me to accelerate my Internet addiction. Burroughs wrote, in paraphrase, that heroin gave purpose to the purposeless. Not only did you gain the "feel good" chemicals that one ordinarily needs to work for, but the junky gained a culture, a drive, some friends, and the daily need to score. (I think) The Internet is absolute consciousness, and when you use it, you lose all sense of the body. In a trite example, when you see people scroll, they are completely absorbed by the device and lose sense of the exterior world. All they focus on is the scroll, which is to say, their own thoughts and the dopaminergic stimulus.
When I found out about the Gnostics, I felt that I discovered a long-lost people whose dispositions matched my own. Lose the body, and find the truth. And sometimes, I think if I were to just become a NEET, a husk, I would remove that weak flesh and become something better.
I like sunlight a little too much, though.
>>1939>>1823
>managed to eek out an existence online while being a terminal shut-in who goes for the occasional neighborhood walk.
How? I do the incelwalks too but I've never managed to find any meaningful connection online while getting to know people, except maybe twice when gaming like 12 years ago. I feel like I'm too spergy even for internet life
>>1811
The Internet and its culture have been both such a creative and destructive force in my life that I sometimes wish I could lick my wounds, and break with it altogether. Live a life farming, in the sun, and care not an iota for the non bodied series of tube's. I used to think they were ridiculous, but I've seriously thought about getting a dumbphone in the recent months. I'm an addict; most things that give me pleasure, I'll abuse. But the Internet is something hard to shake off. I love it too much, and it's been with me too long.
I try to also read more, keep away from electronics, work with my hands. But I'll find myself somewhere like here eventually.
With the way the world is going, I don't think anyone can break with their internet addiction. I can't say that's all bad, though. Dropped almost 70 pounds and managed to eek out an existence online while being a terminal shut-in who goes for the occasional neighborhood walk.
>>1823
>>1811
With the way the world is going, I don't think anyone can break with their internet addiction. I can't say that's all bad, though. Dropped almost 70 pounds and managed to eek out an existence online while being a terminal shut-in who goes for the occasional neighborhood walk.
No, similarly, there is a glimmer of desire within me to accelerate my Internet addiction. Burroughs wrote, in paraphrase, that heroin gave purpose to the purposeless. Not only did you gain the "feel good" chemicals that one ordinarily needs to work for, but the junky gained a culture, a drive, some friends, and the daily need to score. (I think) The Internet is absolute consciousness, and when you use it, you lose all sense of the body. In a trite example, when you see people scroll, they are completely absorbed by the device and lose sense of the exterior world. All they focus on is the scroll, which is to say, their own thoughts and the dopaminergic stimulus.
When I found out about the Gnostics, I felt that I discovered a long-lost people whose dispositions matched my own. Lose the body, and find the truth. And sometimes, I think if I were to just become a NEET, a husk, I would remove that weak flesh and become something better.
I like sunlight a little too much, though.
Anonymous :
36 days ago :
No.1887
>>1896
>>1887
In my case, the opposite happens: nothing on YouTube manages to interest me, neither the bad (reaction content slop, inflammatory or misleading material) nor the good (well-made documentaries, lectures from academic institutions, book reviews, etc.). It’s as if I’m experiencing a kind of anhedonia when it comes to content consumption. The same thing has happened with Instagram, TikTok, Twitter, and so on. I only checked /lit/ occasionally, and now I’ve discovered this board.
On one hand, I feel like this is a positive change (I’ve even started "touching grass," for instance), but at the same time, I can’t help but feel a little sad, perhaps because I’m no longer able to participate in popular culture. My friends are constantly referencing tweets, sharing shorts or reels, videos from X youtuber, and so on. I feel like this has started to build a sort of barrier between us, because what I do now isn't what they do, and what they do is no longer part of my life.
Sad!
I am addicted to YouTube. I am currently managing my addiction, but it has become clear to me that there is no ambiguity about the matter. It is a chronic psychological addiction that is actively damaging my quality of life. Thank you for reading my blog post.
Anonymous :
36 days ago :
No.1896
>>1902
>>1896
I've stopped pretty much everything else -- Instagram I quit because it had a bad effect on me (too addictive/makes you retarded/wastes time), TikTok I never started because of the format (too addictive/makes you retarded/wastes time), Twitter I just never got into, Reddit is fucking gay etc. YouTube is the last holdout.
On the bright side, it sounds like you're suffering from a pretty 'good' problem-- some social friction/alienation with your (many?) friends. But I relate to that feeling of dissonance with popular culture. Sad indeed.
>>1922>>1896
This happened to me when I went to college. I dropped vidya and 4chan like a sack of potatoes; went from scrolling and gaming till 2 or 3am to attempting, but ultimately failing, to even tolerate either. I don't know why. I did get a gf right after I entered college, so that replaced a void. But when she dumped me later, I didn't go back. It was a good change for my mind and body. Just can't shake some of the last vestiges within me!
>>1887
I am addicted to YouTube. I am currently managing my addiction, but it has become clear to me that there is no ambiguity about the matter. It is a chronic psychological addiction that is actively damaging my quality of life. Thank you for reading my blog post.
In my case, the opposite happens: nothing on YouTube manages to interest me, neither the bad (reaction content slop, inflammatory or misleading material) nor the good (well-made documentaries, lectures from academic institutions, book reviews, etc.). It’s as if I’m experiencing a kind of anhedonia when it comes to content consumption. The same thing has happened with Instagram, TikTok, Twitter, and so on. I only checked /lit/ occasionally, and now I’ve discovered this board.
On one hand, I feel like this is a positive change (I’ve even started "touching grass," for instance), but at the same time, I can’t help but feel a little sad, perhaps because I’m no longer able to participate in popular culture. My friends are constantly referencing tweets, sharing shorts or reels, videos from X youtuber, and so on. I feel like this has started to build a sort of barrier between us, because what I do now isn't what they do, and what they do is no longer part of my life.
Sad!
Anonymous :
36 days ago :
No.1902
>>1911
>>1902
Yup. No point in comforming to a sick society, as I read somewhere. At the end of the day, we shouldn't feel bad for avoiding braindead/retarddcontent just because the majority of the population in our generation doesn't, after all.
I'm not saying we are "awakened ones", but it's getting harder to connect with people or have a basic conversation without being immersed in that world. In the case of my friends (we are 3, lol) sometimes I don't understand what the hell they are talking about, because they reference to the internet so much. As you said, it's overall not a horrible problem at an individual level. I feel more attentive and present in the moment, actually sleep well and feel content in general, albeit at the detriment of the little social interactions I had.
>>1896
>>1887
In my case, the opposite happens: nothing on YouTube manages to interest me, neither the bad (reaction content slop, inflammatory or misleading material) nor the good (well-made documentaries, lectures from academic institutions, book reviews, etc.). It’s as if I’m experiencing a kind of anhedonia when it comes to content consumption. The same thing has happened with Instagram, TikTok, Twitter, and so on. I only checked /lit/ occasionally, and now I’ve discovered this board.
On one hand, I feel like this is a positive change (I’ve even started "touching grass," for instance), but at the same time, I can’t help but feel a little sad, perhaps because I’m no longer able to participate in popular culture. My friends are constantly referencing tweets, sharing shorts or reels, videos from X youtuber, and so on. I feel like this has started to build a sort of barrier between us, because what I do now isn't what they do, and what they do is no longer part of my life.
Sad!
I've stopped pretty much everything else -- Instagram I quit because it had a bad effect on me (too addictive/makes you retarded/wastes time), TikTok I never started because of the format (too addictive/makes you retarded/wastes time), Twitter I just never got into, Reddit is fucking gay etc. YouTube is the last holdout.
On the bright side, it sounds like you're suffering from a pretty 'good' problem-- some social friction/alienation with your (many?) friends. But I relate to that feeling of dissonance with popular culture. Sad indeed.
>>1902
>>1896
I've stopped pretty much everything else -- Instagram I quit because it had a bad effect on me (too addictive/makes you retarded/wastes time), TikTok I never started because of the format (too addictive/makes you retarded/wastes time), Twitter I just never got into, Reddit is fucking gay etc. YouTube is the last holdout.
On the bright side, it sounds like you're suffering from a pretty 'good' problem-- some social friction/alienation with your (many?) friends. But I relate to that feeling of dissonance with popular culture. Sad indeed.
Yup. No point in comforming to a sick society, as I read somewhere. At the end of the day, we shouldn't feel bad for avoiding braindead/retarddcontent just because the majority of the population in our generation doesn't, after all.
I'm not saying we are "awakened ones", but it's getting harder to connect with people or have a basic conversation without being immersed in that world. In the case of my friends (we are 3, lol) sometimes I don't understand what the hell they are talking about, because they reference to the internet so much. As you said, it's overall not a horrible problem at an individual level. I feel more attentive and present in the moment, actually sleep well and feel content in general, albeit at the detriment of the little social interactions I had.
>>1896
>>1887
In my case, the opposite happens: nothing on YouTube manages to interest me, neither the bad (reaction content slop, inflammatory or misleading material) nor the good (well-made documentaries, lectures from academic institutions, book reviews, etc.). It’s as if I’m experiencing a kind of anhedonia when it comes to content consumption. The same thing has happened with Instagram, TikTok, Twitter, and so on. I only checked /lit/ occasionally, and now I’ve discovered this board.
On one hand, I feel like this is a positive change (I’ve even started "touching grass," for instance), but at the same time, I can’t help but feel a little sad, perhaps because I’m no longer able to participate in popular culture. My friends are constantly referencing tweets, sharing shorts or reels, videos from X youtuber, and so on. I feel like this has started to build a sort of barrier between us, because what I do now isn't what they do, and what they do is no longer part of my life.
Sad!
This happened to me when I went to college. I dropped vidya and 4chan like a sack of potatoes; went from scrolling and gaming till 2 or 3am to attempting, but ultimately failing, to even tolerate either. I don't know why. I did get a gf right after I entered college, so that replaced a void. But when she dumped me later, I didn't go back. It was a good change for my mind and body. Just can't shake some of the last vestiges within me!
>>1823
>>1811
With the way the world is going, I don't think anyone can break with their internet addiction. I can't say that's all bad, though. Dropped almost 70 pounds and managed to eek out an existence online while being a terminal shut-in who goes for the occasional neighborhood walk.
>managed to eek out an existence online while being a terminal shut-in who goes for the occasional neighborhood walk.
How? I do the incelwalks too but I've never managed to find any meaningful connection online while getting to know people, except maybe twice when gaming like 12 years ago. I feel like I'm too spergy even for internet life
Anonymous :
36 days ago :
No.1943
>>2015
>>1943
tldr: lurk moar before posting
>>2091>>1943
It's even worse because the internet and technology in general help to destroy traditions and communities which(among other things) create a feeling of purpose and togetherness among those regular people towards the outliers that stabilize society. Now this stabilizing force is replaced by ever more pervasive surveillance technology which means there is no counterbalance to the ever growing rot everywhere, but particularly at the top.
basically Ted Kaczynski.txt, but unfortunately the only way out is through.
The internet is 0% different from the Enlightenment, or French Revolution, or Flower Power, or any other movement / group that starts with the best of intentions and is rapidly corrupted by the masses who misunderstand its core principal, which is at bottom the same every time -- "To create a better world".
You would be delusional to assume that average people can take part in these movements and really "sit at the table". Because the average man (and woman's) conception of life is fundamentally static. It takes a rare kind of person to look at reality and imagine how it could be different, so when your average person joins a movement, they're not trying to "reconstruct" anything; they're looking at the world RIGHT NOW in front of them as a zero sum game where their +1 is your -1. Really, to speak of "the internet" is an utter misnomer, because "the internet" was snuffed out in the womb. What you're really trafficking through is the new portal to the very old very much ruined rest of the world.
Anonymous :
36 days ago :
No.2015
>>2097
>>2015
Is this imported halfchan culture or what? This board is for paragraph readers.
>>1943
The internet is 0% different from the Enlightenment, or French Revolution, or Flower Power, or any other movement / group that starts with the best of intentions and is rapidly corrupted by the masses who misunderstand its core principal, which is at bottom the same every time -- "To create a better world".
You would be delusional to assume that average people can take part in these movements and really "sit at the table". Because the average man (and woman's) conception of life is fundamentally static. It takes a rare kind of person to look at reality and imagine how it could be different, so when your average person joins a movement, they're not trying to "reconstruct" anything; they're looking at the world RIGHT NOW in front of them as a zero sum game where their +1 is your -1. Really, to speak of "the internet" is an utter misnomer, because "the internet" was snuffed out in the womb. What you're really trafficking through is the new portal to the very old very much ruined rest of the world.
tldr: lurk moar before posting
>>1943
The internet is 0% different from the Enlightenment, or French Revolution, or Flower Power, or any other movement / group that starts with the best of intentions and is rapidly corrupted by the masses who misunderstand its core principal, which is at bottom the same every time -- "To create a better world".
You would be delusional to assume that average people can take part in these movements and really "sit at the table". Because the average man (and woman's) conception of life is fundamentally static. It takes a rare kind of person to look at reality and imagine how it could be different, so when your average person joins a movement, they're not trying to "reconstruct" anything; they're looking at the world RIGHT NOW in front of them as a zero sum game where their +1 is your -1. Really, to speak of "the internet" is an utter misnomer, because "the internet" was snuffed out in the womb. What you're really trafficking through is the new portal to the very old very much ruined rest of the world.
It's even worse because the internet and technology in general help to destroy traditions and communities which(among other things) create a feeling of purpose and togetherness among those regular people towards the outliers that stabilize society. Now this stabilizing force is replaced by ever more pervasive surveillance technology which means there is no counterbalance to the ever growing rot everywhere, but particularly at the top.
basically Ted Kaczynski.txt, but unfortunately the only way out is through.
why is there so much AI slop now. The new ChatGPT can beat GeoGuessr now…
Anonymous :
34 days ago :
No.2478
>>2563
>>2478
Internet culture has made me extremely jaded and cynical to any kind of political movement. Any form of rebellion would appear as inauthentic to me since rebelling is nothing more than an ego trip for the many and a grift for the few. It would be nice if everyone just collectively logged off or stopped consuming online herd mentality. However, being anti technology will not stop the ideology machine from churning because the problem is deeply psychological. We're naturally political (social) animals and will naturally want to submit to any heard we find covenant. The internet just amplifies the phenomena. Even if we were to make an antithesis of such heard, that too will become a heard. At least 4chan getting nuked is a step in the right direction since I can kick off my scrolling addiction and read more.
>>2564>>2478
Fuck the system used to happen because the youth didn't get what they wanted.
The current youth gets all types of free porn and other types of snuff movies, legal amphetamines and weed, an insane amount of games, cartoons, tv, movies, whatever.
It's way too comfortable for rebellion.
Besides, it is always said "they grew up with the Internet/screens", but more importantly, they grew up with mics and cameras pointed at them at all time. A rebellion is too much of a risk of ridicule and failure, and I am not sure the youngest adults know how to exist without being watched and commented.
>>2588>>2563
Some sizable number of people have just 'logged off' but for that exact reason you don't really feel their presence online.
>>2564
This is probably a significant factor. My sense is that the youth countercultures of the past have been largely made up of the relatively poor/cheap have-nots, but in the modern era of freely available media/culture there is no such thing as 'too poor to consume'
>>2478
The chokehold that large tech companies have on online platforms mean that there is no real independent infrastructure for counterculture to propagate through. The only counterculture that exists is mediated through the 'normie-fying' effects of YouTube Twitter Reddit etc.
>>2590>>2478
>>2563
>>2564
I agree;
But these all feel symptomatic. The superficial signs of a disease. When one sneezes, it is the body attempting to expel.
I think part of the crux is, to rearticulate the original question, how can connection and matrix and strata have been supplanted so totally? Thousands of years contained human conditioning, unconscious and conscious, now to be hijacked by something altogether different.
"The medium contains the message" and "one cannot imagine a world without Internet" are now combined. I cannot imagine a world where my words are not heard and interpreted by someone somewhere else.
But why? Who chose this? Myself, or my parents, or my president, or my king, or my God?
How can things have changed so quickly?
>>2976>>2478
Because it would need to happen on the internet
There has to be a large number of people who feel similar malaise towards the internet/phone culture as you do. SO, the question is Why hasnt there been any significant internet counterculture? There is a now a young generation who have been forcefed the most sterile corporate net, who use their phones for everything, from work to love to entertainment to friends. Yet, there is not even an angsty "fuck the system" rebellion, which should've happened 10 years ago at the latest. instead of neo-luddite gatherings and disruptions there are "social media detoxs." any opposition is transformed into the safe, health-mindset, individual productivity framwork. The internet seems to be the ultimate absorbent and postpostpostironic detachment is the attitude for everyone on this carnival ride which means nothing actually happens
Anonymous :
33 days ago :
No.2563
>>2588
>>2563
Some sizable number of people have just 'logged off' but for that exact reason you don't really feel their presence online.
>>2564
This is probably a significant factor. My sense is that the youth countercultures of the past have been largely made up of the relatively poor/cheap have-nots, but in the modern era of freely available media/culture there is no such thing as 'too poor to consume'
>>2478
The chokehold that large tech companies have on online platforms mean that there is no real independent infrastructure for counterculture to propagate through. The only counterculture that exists is mediated through the 'normie-fying' effects of YouTube Twitter Reddit etc.
>>2590>>2478
>>2563
>>2564
I agree;
But these all feel symptomatic. The superficial signs of a disease. When one sneezes, it is the body attempting to expel.
I think part of the crux is, to rearticulate the original question, how can connection and matrix and strata have been supplanted so totally? Thousands of years contained human conditioning, unconscious and conscious, now to be hijacked by something altogether different.
"The medium contains the message" and "one cannot imagine a world without Internet" are now combined. I cannot imagine a world where my words are not heard and interpreted by someone somewhere else.
But why? Who chose this? Myself, or my parents, or my president, or my king, or my God?
How can things have changed so quickly?
>>2478
There has to be a large number of people who feel similar malaise towards the internet/phone culture as you do. SO, the question is Why hasnt there been any significant internet counterculture? There is a now a young generation who have been forcefed the most sterile corporate net, who use their phones for everything, from work to love to entertainment to friends. Yet, there is not even an angsty "fuck the system" rebellion, which should've happened 10 years ago at the latest. instead of neo-luddite gatherings and disruptions there are "social media detoxs." any opposition is transformed into the safe, health-mindset, individual productivity framwork. The internet seems to be the ultimate absorbent and postpostpostironic detachment is the attitude for everyone on this carnival ride which means nothing actually happens
Internet culture has made me extremely jaded and cynical to any kind of political movement. Any form of rebellion would appear as inauthentic to me since rebelling is nothing more than an ego trip for the many and a grift for the few. It would be nice if everyone just collectively logged off or stopped consuming online herd mentality. However, being anti technology will not stop the ideology machine from churning because the problem is deeply psychological. We're naturally political (social) animals and will naturally want to submit to any heard we find covenant. The internet just amplifies the phenomena. Even if we were to make an antithesis of such heard, that too will become a heard. At least 4chan getting nuked is a step in the right direction since I can kick off my scrolling addiction and read more.
Anonymous :
33 days ago :
No.2564
>>2588
>>2563
Some sizable number of people have just 'logged off' but for that exact reason you don't really feel their presence online.
>>2564
This is probably a significant factor. My sense is that the youth countercultures of the past have been largely made up of the relatively poor/cheap have-nots, but in the modern era of freely available media/culture there is no such thing as 'too poor to consume'
>>2478
The chokehold that large tech companies have on online platforms mean that there is no real independent infrastructure for counterculture to propagate through. The only counterculture that exists is mediated through the 'normie-fying' effects of YouTube Twitter Reddit etc.
>>2590>>2478
>>2563
>>2564
I agree;
But these all feel symptomatic. The superficial signs of a disease. When one sneezes, it is the body attempting to expel.
I think part of the crux is, to rearticulate the original question, how can connection and matrix and strata have been supplanted so totally? Thousands of years contained human conditioning, unconscious and conscious, now to be hijacked by something altogether different.
"The medium contains the message" and "one cannot imagine a world without Internet" are now combined. I cannot imagine a world where my words are not heard and interpreted by someone somewhere else.
But why? Who chose this? Myself, or my parents, or my president, or my king, or my God?
How can things have changed so quickly?
>>2612>>2564
This reminded me of the first time I came to the realization that everything you see on a screen has been recorded. I know it sounds trivial, but as a kid thinking for the first time that everything I was seeing on the screen had been previously recorded by someone talking to an inanimate camera and not me, and then this recording being published and me seeing it because my inanimate device was replaying it was akin to gaining a new layer of self-awareness in a way. And I still feel like I need to remind myself of this every once in a while.
The human mind can't find an inherent difference between looking at someone standing in front of you and looking at someone you see on a screen unless you consciously make it do so. The modern era is defined by unprecedented levels of abstraction that are present in many more areas of life than ever before. We are not made to be able to naturally deal with this much labor of discernment (and it's in your best interest to make the effort if you want to keep the mental separation between what's real and what's a result of a particularly ordered string of 0s and 1s). It's Marx's alienation of labor applied to every facet of your lived experience.
I don't think that it necessarily had to get this bad, though, which makes it more depressing since it was to an extent preventable. I know I'm younger than most people here, but even I remember when the Internet felt like a place, not an omnipresent entity. There was an old fashioned wooden desk with a computer at the corner of the living room, and if you sat there you could access it, and when you were done with it, you just got up and went about your day, and the Internet was nowhere to be found. What happened?
This is why I've never loved movies in general. Filmed media has such a pervasive influence on the human brain you can't prevent while it's happening that I can't help but feel like I'm being force-fed a different version of reality, in a way that inevitably sticks. If I don't like a book or it's contents are disturbing or too much to take in all at once, I can put it down forever or until I want to pick it up again. You can't exercise nearly as much agency when watching a movie, but it's also far more comfortable since you can just stop thinking and let what you see do the thinking for you. I think this is why so many people are hooked on Netflix. I'm aware that this is also mixed with my personal opinion and people can enjoy visual media without it becoming dystopian (I do too, it's just not my go-to for the same reason I never liked books with pictures since I learned to read). But overall it feels like something very present in our lives and we rarely give it a second thought.
>>3482>>2564
>Besides, it is always said "they grew up with the Internet/screens", but more importantly, they grew up with mics and cameras pointed at them at all time. A rebellion is too much of a risk of ridicule and failure, and I am not sure the youngest adults know how to exist without being watched and commented.
In the Roman Empire, it often happened that when an emperor was assassinated or died without an immediately obvious heir, some senator would stand on the senate floor and give a speech about how the age of tyranny was over and the Republic would rise once more from its ashes. People would clap, and then they'd all sit around and do nothing because they weren't actually sure how to go about bringing the Republic back, as they had all been raised exclusively in the Imperial system. And then a new emperor would be instate and they'd acknowledge him and go back to complaining in private.
I think about this a lot these days.
>>2478
There has to be a large number of people who feel similar malaise towards the internet/phone culture as you do. SO, the question is Why hasnt there been any significant internet counterculture? There is a now a young generation who have been forcefed the most sterile corporate net, who use their phones for everything, from work to love to entertainment to friends. Yet, there is not even an angsty "fuck the system" rebellion, which should've happened 10 years ago at the latest. instead of neo-luddite gatherings and disruptions there are "social media detoxs." any opposition is transformed into the safe, health-mindset, individual productivity framwork. The internet seems to be the ultimate absorbent and postpostpostironic detachment is the attitude for everyone on this carnival ride which means nothing actually happens
Fuck the system used to happen because the youth didn't get what they wanted.
The current youth gets all types of free porn and other types of snuff movies, legal amphetamines and weed, an insane amount of games, cartoons, tv, movies, whatever.
It's way too comfortable for rebellion.
Besides, it is always said "they grew up with the Internet/screens", but more importantly, they grew up with mics and cameras pointed at them at all time. A rebellion is too much of a risk of ridicule and failure, and I am not sure the youngest adults know how to exist without being watched and commented.
Anonymous :
33 days ago :
No.2588
>>2645
>>2643
Another one is Gilles Châtelet, To Live and Think Like Pigs: Envy and Boredom in Market-Economy Democracies.
>>2590
Looking for someone to blame is the surest way to waste your time. It's the second arrow of suffering: you're bleeding out, looking for the guy that just shot you instead of taking care of the wound or taking cover.
So, we know the diagnosis. Now what?
As >>2588 puts it, the answer is in a blind spot. Many have just left the Internet and/or joined religion. See Jacques Ellul (who took the catholicism pill rather than goinq the bomb&cabin way like Kaczinski), or Jean-Claude Michéa (left his teaching job to larp Stardew Valley with his wife).
This is equivalent to taking the veil and leaving the world behind. Like chopping a limb that grew in order to fit this diseased world. No wonder it is difficult/impossible.
>>2563
>>2478
Internet culture has made me extremely jaded and cynical to any kind of political movement. Any form of rebellion would appear as inauthentic to me since rebelling is nothing more than an ego trip for the many and a grift for the few. It would be nice if everyone just collectively logged off or stopped consuming online herd mentality. However, being anti technology will not stop the ideology machine from churning because the problem is deeply psychological. We're naturally political (social) animals and will naturally want to submit to any heard we find covenant. The internet just amplifies the phenomena. Even if we were to make an antithesis of such heard, that too will become a heard. At least 4chan getting nuked is a step in the right direction since I can kick off my scrolling addiction and read more.
Some sizable number of people have just 'logged off' but for that exact reason you don't really feel their presence online.
>>2564>>2478
Fuck the system used to happen because the youth didn't get what they wanted.
The current youth gets all types of free porn and other types of snuff movies, legal amphetamines and weed, an insane amount of games, cartoons, tv, movies, whatever.
It's way too comfortable for rebellion.
Besides, it is always said "they grew up with the Internet/screens", but more importantly, they grew up with mics and cameras pointed at them at all time. A rebellion is too much of a risk of ridicule and failure, and I am not sure the youngest adults know how to exist without being watched and commented.
This is probably a significant factor. My sense is that the youth countercultures of the past have been largely made up of the relatively poor/cheap have-nots, but in the modern era of freely available media/culture there is no such thing as 'too poor to consume'
>>2478There has to be a large number of people who feel similar malaise towards the internet/phone culture as you do. SO, the question is Why hasnt there been any significant internet counterculture? There is a now a young generation who have been forcefed the most sterile corporate net, who use their phones for everything, from work to love to entertainment to friends. Yet, there is not even an angsty "fuck the system" rebellion, which should've happened 10 years ago at the latest. instead of neo-luddite gatherings and disruptions there are "social media detoxs." any opposition is transformed into the safe, health-mindset, individual productivity framwork. The internet seems to be the ultimate absorbent and postpostpostironic detachment is the attitude for everyone on this carnival ride which means nothing actually happens
The chokehold that large tech companies have on online platforms mean that there is no real independent infrastructure for counterculture to propagate through. The only counterculture that exists is mediated through the 'normie-fying' effects of YouTube Twitter Reddit etc.
Anonymous :
33 days ago :
No.2590
>>2645
>>2643
Another one is Gilles Châtelet, To Live and Think Like Pigs: Envy and Boredom in Market-Economy Democracies.
>>2590
Looking for someone to blame is the surest way to waste your time. It's the second arrow of suffering: you're bleeding out, looking for the guy that just shot you instead of taking care of the wound or taking cover.
So, we know the diagnosis. Now what?
As >>2588 puts it, the answer is in a blind spot. Many have just left the Internet and/or joined religion. See Jacques Ellul (who took the catholicism pill rather than goinq the bomb&cabin way like Kaczinski), or Jean-Claude Michéa (left his teaching job to larp Stardew Valley with his wife).
This is equivalent to taking the veil and leaving the world behind. Like chopping a limb that grew in order to fit this diseased world. No wonder it is difficult/impossible.
>>2478
There has to be a large number of people who feel similar malaise towards the internet/phone culture as you do. SO, the question is Why hasnt there been any significant internet counterculture? There is a now a young generation who have been forcefed the most sterile corporate net, who use their phones for everything, from work to love to entertainment to friends. Yet, there is not even an angsty "fuck the system" rebellion, which should've happened 10 years ago at the latest. instead of neo-luddite gatherings and disruptions there are "social media detoxs." any opposition is transformed into the safe, health-mindset, individual productivity framwork. The internet seems to be the ultimate absorbent and postpostpostironic detachment is the attitude for everyone on this carnival ride which means nothing actually happens
>>2563>>2478
Internet culture has made me extremely jaded and cynical to any kind of political movement. Any form of rebellion would appear as inauthentic to me since rebelling is nothing more than an ego trip for the many and a grift for the few. It would be nice if everyone just collectively logged off or stopped consuming online herd mentality. However, being anti technology will not stop the ideology machine from churning because the problem is deeply psychological. We're naturally political (social) animals and will naturally want to submit to any heard we find covenant. The internet just amplifies the phenomena. Even if we were to make an antithesis of such heard, that too will become a heard. At least 4chan getting nuked is a step in the right direction since I can kick off my scrolling addiction and read more.
>>2564>>2478
Fuck the system used to happen because the youth didn't get what they wanted.
The current youth gets all types of free porn and other types of snuff movies, legal amphetamines and weed, an insane amount of games, cartoons, tv, movies, whatever.
It's way too comfortable for rebellion.
Besides, it is always said "they grew up with the Internet/screens", but more importantly, they grew up with mics and cameras pointed at them at all time. A rebellion is too much of a risk of ridicule and failure, and I am not sure the youngest adults know how to exist without being watched and commented.
I agree;
But these all feel symptomatic. The superficial signs of a disease. When one sneezes, it is the body attempting to expel.
I think part of the crux is, to rearticulate the original question, how can connection and matrix and strata have been supplanted so totally? Thousands of years contained human conditioning, unconscious and conscious, now to be hijacked by something altogether different.
"The medium contains the message" and "one cannot imagine a world without Internet" are now combined. I cannot imagine a world where my words are not heard and interpreted by someone somewhere else.
But why? Who chose this? Myself, or my parents, or my president, or my king, or my God?
How can things have changed so quickly?
Anonymous :
33 days ago :
No.2612
>>2631
>>2612
Ironically, continued exposure to this effect makes me feel more intuitively or deeply the humanity of abstractions online. An image board text post or some idiot flaunting their collection of half-baked AI generated images feels more human to me than a supposedly unfiltered or authentic self-shot video of a person in their house.
I agree that film has a schizophrenia-inducing effect, but I suppose I just don't really mind having my brains scooped out and replaced in that way. I feel it happening but it doesn't bother me.
>>2643>>2612
Read Amusing Ourselves to Death by Neil Postman. Your intuitions are right but that short book will sharpen them up in less time than it takes to watch LOTR.
>>2564
>>2478
Fuck the system used to happen because the youth didn't get what they wanted.
The current youth gets all types of free porn and other types of snuff movies, legal amphetamines and weed, an insane amount of games, cartoons, tv, movies, whatever.
It's way too comfortable for rebellion.
Besides, it is always said "they grew up with the Internet/screens", but more importantly, they grew up with mics and cameras pointed at them at all time. A rebellion is too much of a risk of ridicule and failure, and I am not sure the youngest adults know how to exist without being watched and commented.
This reminded me of the first time I came to the realization that everything you see on a screen has been recorded. I know it sounds trivial, but as a kid thinking for the first time that everything I was seeing on the screen had been previously recorded by someone talking to an inanimate camera and not me, and then this recording being published and me seeing it because my inanimate device was replaying it was akin to gaining a new layer of self-awareness in a way. And I still feel like I need to remind myself of this every once in a while.
The human mind can't find an inherent difference between looking at someone standing in front of you and looking at someone you see on a screen unless you consciously make it do so. The modern era is defined by unprecedented levels of abstraction that are present in many more areas of life than ever before. We are not made to be able to naturally deal with this much labor of discernment (and it's in your best interest to make the effort if you want to keep the mental separation between what's real and what's a result of a particularly ordered string of 0s and 1s). It's Marx's alienation of labor applied to every facet of your lived experience.
I don't think that it necessarily had to get this bad, though, which makes it more depressing since it was to an extent preventable. I know I'm younger than most people here, but even I remember when the Internet felt like a place, not an omnipresent entity. There was an old fashioned wooden desk with a computer at the corner of the living room, and if you sat there you could access it, and when you were done with it, you just got up and went about your day, and the Internet was nowhere to be found. What happened?
This is why I've never loved movies in general. Filmed media has such a pervasive influence on the human brain you can't prevent while it's happening that I can't help but feel like I'm being force-fed a different version of reality, in a way that inevitably sticks. If I don't like a book or it's contents are disturbing or too much to take in all at once, I can put it down forever or until I want to pick it up again. You can't exercise nearly as much agency when watching a movie, but it's also far more comfortable since you can just stop thinking and let what you see do the thinking for you. I think this is why so many people are hooked on Netflix. I'm aware that this is also mixed with my personal opinion and people can enjoy visual media without it becoming dystopian (I do too, it's just not my go-to for the same reason I never liked books with pictures since I learned to read). But overall it feels like something very present in our lives and we rarely give it a second thought.
Anonymous :
33 days ago :
No.2631
>>2822
>>2631
Yes I agree about the paradoxical effect of places like this instilling a greater feeling of closeness compared to other forms of communication that are technically more face-to-face in a way. It may have to do with the fact that the anonymity provided here prompts people to be more authentic than they would otherwise be both in the "regular" internet and in their everyday lives. Also, it's likely that we are dealing with a sort of survivorship bias, since the people that are more inclined to seek out and regularly post in places like this are already not normies and having our own idiosyncratic interests will make places like this more attractive as a way to express ourselves and connect with others that are similar to us.
Basically, the idiot flaunting their shitty AI collection on an image board feels more familiar because to an extent that person has already jumped through the right hoops to signal to us that they are more similar than they are different. And yeah it sucks to have to say this about all the borderline-sociopathic idiots that are notorious in 4chan and the like, but it's undeniably true that we are more similar to them than we are to a tiktok influencer.
About the effects film has on the mind, I understand that people can enjoy movies without it being damaging to their psyche, but I don't think it's ever beneficial for video to be the most prevalent form of communication and entertainment up to a societal level. I'm not prone to believing conspiracy theories though I can find them interesting, but I can't help but wonder the extent to which the invention of the camera made an impact in people's thoughts and even in the course of history. We tend to see it as something that doesn't factor in at all, to the point of ignoring its existence altogether (like when we forget that everything we see through a screen has previously been recorded, as I said in my previous post) and joking that the cameraman never dies as if the act of recording itself was always completely removed from the situation being captured.
Young people today have a view of reality that has been shaped by social media algorithms, but our grandparents also thought that what they saw in Hollywood movies was supposed to be the ideal life. And even if they understood it as something largely unattainable, it wasn't seen as completely impossible or made up. I know these are two different phenomena but the underlying mechanism is the same, it just evolved with time. It doesn't sit right with me that you can alter someone's view of existence itself to such a fundamental level so easily. And I'm not absolving myself in any way, I've spent more hours on YouTube than I would ever want to admit, even if I quit now and never went back. I just think that at the very least it's crucial to be aware of this effect, and I don't think this awareness is widespread.
>>2643 I had heard of the title before and liked the book cover but it wasn't really in my radar so thanks I will add it to my list.
>>2645 I hadn't heard of Châtelet's book before and its historical materialism mixed with mathematical/scientific elements is very interesting to me so thanks as well for recommending it.
>>2612
>>2564
This reminded me of the first time I came to the realization that everything you see on a screen has been recorded. I know it sounds trivial, but as a kid thinking for the first time that everything I was seeing on the screen had been previously recorded by someone talking to an inanimate camera and not me, and then this recording being published and me seeing it because my inanimate device was replaying it was akin to gaining a new layer of self-awareness in a way. And I still feel like I need to remind myself of this every once in a while.
The human mind can't find an inherent difference between looking at someone standing in front of you and looking at someone you see on a screen unless you consciously make it do so. The modern era is defined by unprecedented levels of abstraction that are present in many more areas of life than ever before. We are not made to be able to naturally deal with this much labor of discernment (and it's in your best interest to make the effort if you want to keep the mental separation between what's real and what's a result of a particularly ordered string of 0s and 1s). It's Marx's alienation of labor applied to every facet of your lived experience.
I don't think that it necessarily had to get this bad, though, which makes it more depressing since it was to an extent preventable. I know I'm younger than most people here, but even I remember when the Internet felt like a place, not an omnipresent entity. There was an old fashioned wooden desk with a computer at the corner of the living room, and if you sat there you could access it, and when you were done with it, you just got up and went about your day, and the Internet was nowhere to be found. What happened?
This is why I've never loved movies in general. Filmed media has such a pervasive influence on the human brain you can't prevent while it's happening that I can't help but feel like I'm being force-fed a different version of reality, in a way that inevitably sticks. If I don't like a book or it's contents are disturbing or too much to take in all at once, I can put it down forever or until I want to pick it up again. You can't exercise nearly as much agency when watching a movie, but it's also far more comfortable since you can just stop thinking and let what you see do the thinking for you. I think this is why so many people are hooked on Netflix. I'm aware that this is also mixed with my personal opinion and people can enjoy visual media without it becoming dystopian (I do too, it's just not my go-to for the same reason I never liked books with pictures since I learned to read). But overall it feels like something very present in our lives and we rarely give it a second thought.
Ironically, continued exposure to this effect makes me feel more intuitively or deeply the humanity of abstractions online. An image board text post or some idiot flaunting their collection of half-baked AI generated images feels more human to me than a supposedly unfiltered or authentic self-shot video of a person in their house.
I agree that film has a schizophrenia-inducing effect, but I suppose I just don't really mind having my brains scooped out and replaced in that way. I feel it happening but it doesn't bother me.
Anonymous :
33 days ago :
No.2643
>>2645
>>2643
Another one is Gilles Châtelet, To Live and Think Like Pigs: Envy and Boredom in Market-Economy Democracies.
>>2590
Looking for someone to blame is the surest way to waste your time. It's the second arrow of suffering: you're bleeding out, looking for the guy that just shot you instead of taking care of the wound or taking cover.
So, we know the diagnosis. Now what?
As >>2588 puts it, the answer is in a blind spot. Many have just left the Internet and/or joined religion. See Jacques Ellul (who took the catholicism pill rather than goinq the bomb&cabin way like Kaczinski), or Jean-Claude Michéa (left his teaching job to larp Stardew Valley with his wife).
This is equivalent to taking the veil and leaving the world behind. Like chopping a limb that grew in order to fit this diseased world. No wonder it is difficult/impossible.
>>2822>>2631
Yes I agree about the paradoxical effect of places like this instilling a greater feeling of closeness compared to other forms of communication that are technically more face-to-face in a way. It may have to do with the fact that the anonymity provided here prompts people to be more authentic than they would otherwise be both in the "regular" internet and in their everyday lives. Also, it's likely that we are dealing with a sort of survivorship bias, since the people that are more inclined to seek out and regularly post in places like this are already not normies and having our own idiosyncratic interests will make places like this more attractive as a way to express ourselves and connect with others that are similar to us.
Basically, the idiot flaunting their shitty AI collection on an image board feels more familiar because to an extent that person has already jumped through the right hoops to signal to us that they are more similar than they are different. And yeah it sucks to have to say this about all the borderline-sociopathic idiots that are notorious in 4chan and the like, but it's undeniably true that we are more similar to them than we are to a tiktok influencer.
About the effects film has on the mind, I understand that people can enjoy movies without it being damaging to their psyche, but I don't think it's ever beneficial for video to be the most prevalent form of communication and entertainment up to a societal level. I'm not prone to believing conspiracy theories though I can find them interesting, but I can't help but wonder the extent to which the invention of the camera made an impact in people's thoughts and even in the course of history. We tend to see it as something that doesn't factor in at all, to the point of ignoring its existence altogether (like when we forget that everything we see through a screen has previously been recorded, as I said in my previous post) and joking that the cameraman never dies as if the act of recording itself was always completely removed from the situation being captured.
Young people today have a view of reality that has been shaped by social media algorithms, but our grandparents also thought that what they saw in Hollywood movies was supposed to be the ideal life. And even if they understood it as something largely unattainable, it wasn't seen as completely impossible or made up. I know these are two different phenomena but the underlying mechanism is the same, it just evolved with time. It doesn't sit right with me that you can alter someone's view of existence itself to such a fundamental level so easily. And I'm not absolving myself in any way, I've spent more hours on YouTube than I would ever want to admit, even if I quit now and never went back. I just think that at the very least it's crucial to be aware of this effect, and I don't think this awareness is widespread.
>>2643 I had heard of the title before and liked the book cover but it wasn't really in my radar so thanks I will add it to my list.
>>2645 I hadn't heard of Châtelet's book before and its historical materialism mixed with mathematical/scientific elements is very interesting to me so thanks as well for recommending it.
>>2612
>>2564
This reminded me of the first time I came to the realization that everything you see on a screen has been recorded. I know it sounds trivial, but as a kid thinking for the first time that everything I was seeing on the screen had been previously recorded by someone talking to an inanimate camera and not me, and then this recording being published and me seeing it because my inanimate device was replaying it was akin to gaining a new layer of self-awareness in a way. And I still feel like I need to remind myself of this every once in a while.
The human mind can't find an inherent difference between looking at someone standing in front of you and looking at someone you see on a screen unless you consciously make it do so. The modern era is defined by unprecedented levels of abstraction that are present in many more areas of life than ever before. We are not made to be able to naturally deal with this much labor of discernment (and it's in your best interest to make the effort if you want to keep the mental separation between what's real and what's a result of a particularly ordered string of 0s and 1s). It's Marx's alienation of labor applied to every facet of your lived experience.
I don't think that it necessarily had to get this bad, though, which makes it more depressing since it was to an extent preventable. I know I'm younger than most people here, but even I remember when the Internet felt like a place, not an omnipresent entity. There was an old fashioned wooden desk with a computer at the corner of the living room, and if you sat there you could access it, and when you were done with it, you just got up and went about your day, and the Internet was nowhere to be found. What happened?
This is why I've never loved movies in general. Filmed media has such a pervasive influence on the human brain you can't prevent while it's happening that I can't help but feel like I'm being force-fed a different version of reality, in a way that inevitably sticks. If I don't like a book or it's contents are disturbing or too much to take in all at once, I can put it down forever or until I want to pick it up again. You can't exercise nearly as much agency when watching a movie, but it's also far more comfortable since you can just stop thinking and let what you see do the thinking for you. I think this is why so many people are hooked on Netflix. I'm aware that this is also mixed with my personal opinion and people can enjoy visual media without it becoming dystopian (I do too, it's just not my go-to for the same reason I never liked books with pictures since I learned to read). But overall it feels like something very present in our lives and we rarely give it a second thought.
Read Amusing Ourselves to Death by Neil Postman. Your intuitions are right but that short book will sharpen them up in less time than it takes to watch LOTR.
Anonymous :
32 days ago :
No.2645
>>2822
>>2631
Yes I agree about the paradoxical effect of places like this instilling a greater feeling of closeness compared to other forms of communication that are technically more face-to-face in a way. It may have to do with the fact that the anonymity provided here prompts people to be more authentic than they would otherwise be both in the "regular" internet and in their everyday lives. Also, it's likely that we are dealing with a sort of survivorship bias, since the people that are more inclined to seek out and regularly post in places like this are already not normies and having our own idiosyncratic interests will make places like this more attractive as a way to express ourselves and connect with others that are similar to us.
Basically, the idiot flaunting their shitty AI collection on an image board feels more familiar because to an extent that person has already jumped through the right hoops to signal to us that they are more similar than they are different. And yeah it sucks to have to say this about all the borderline-sociopathic idiots that are notorious in 4chan and the like, but it's undeniably true that we are more similar to them than we are to a tiktok influencer.
About the effects film has on the mind, I understand that people can enjoy movies without it being damaging to their psyche, but I don't think it's ever beneficial for video to be the most prevalent form of communication and entertainment up to a societal level. I'm not prone to believing conspiracy theories though I can find them interesting, but I can't help but wonder the extent to which the invention of the camera made an impact in people's thoughts and even in the course of history. We tend to see it as something that doesn't factor in at all, to the point of ignoring its existence altogether (like when we forget that everything we see through a screen has previously been recorded, as I said in my previous post) and joking that the cameraman never dies as if the act of recording itself was always completely removed from the situation being captured.
Young people today have a view of reality that has been shaped by social media algorithms, but our grandparents also thought that what they saw in Hollywood movies was supposed to be the ideal life. And even if they understood it as something largely unattainable, it wasn't seen as completely impossible or made up. I know these are two different phenomena but the underlying mechanism is the same, it just evolved with time. It doesn't sit right with me that you can alter someone's view of existence itself to such a fundamental level so easily. And I'm not absolving myself in any way, I've spent more hours on YouTube than I would ever want to admit, even if I quit now and never went back. I just think that at the very least it's crucial to be aware of this effect, and I don't think this awareness is widespread.
>>2643 I had heard of the title before and liked the book cover but it wasn't really in my radar so thanks I will add it to my list.
>>2645 I hadn't heard of Châtelet's book before and its historical materialism mixed with mathematical/scientific elements is very interesting to me so thanks as well for recommending it.
>>2643
>>2612
Read Amusing Ourselves to Death by Neil Postman. Your intuitions are right but that short book will sharpen them up in less time than it takes to watch LOTR.
Another one is Gilles Châtelet, To Live and Think Like Pigs: Envy and Boredom in Market-Economy Democracies.
>>2590>>2478
>>2563
>>2564
I agree;
But these all feel symptomatic. The superficial signs of a disease. When one sneezes, it is the body attempting to expel.
I think part of the crux is, to rearticulate the original question, how can connection and matrix and strata have been supplanted so totally? Thousands of years contained human conditioning, unconscious and conscious, now to be hijacked by something altogether different.
"The medium contains the message" and "one cannot imagine a world without Internet" are now combined. I cannot imagine a world where my words are not heard and interpreted by someone somewhere else.
But why? Who chose this? Myself, or my parents, or my president, or my king, or my God?
How can things have changed so quickly?
Looking for someone to blame is the surest way to waste your time. It's the second arrow of suffering: you're bleeding out, looking for the guy that just shot you instead of taking care of the wound or taking cover.
So, we know the diagnosis. Now what?
As >>2588>>2563
Some sizable number of people have just 'logged off' but for that exact reason you don't really feel their presence online.
>>2564
This is probably a significant factor. My sense is that the youth countercultures of the past have been largely made up of the relatively poor/cheap have-nots, but in the modern era of freely available media/culture there is no such thing as 'too poor to consume'
>>2478
The chokehold that large tech companies have on online platforms mean that there is no real independent infrastructure for counterculture to propagate through. The only counterculture that exists is mediated through the 'normie-fying' effects of YouTube Twitter Reddit etc.
puts it, the answer is in a blind spot. Many have just left the Internet and/or joined religion. See Jacques Ellul (who took the catholicism pill rather than goinq the bomb&cabin way like Kaczinski), or Jean-Claude Michéa (left his teaching job to larp Stardew Valley with his wife).
This is equivalent to taking the veil and leaving the world behind. Like chopping a limb that grew in order to fit this diseased world. No wonder it is difficult/impossible.
Anonymous :
31 days ago :
No.2822
>>3016
>>2822
>Also, it's likely that we are dealing with a sort of survivorship bias, since the people that are more inclined to seek out and regularly post in places like this are already not normies and having our own idiosyncratic interests will make places like this more attractive as a way to express ourselves and connect with others that are similar to us.
20 years ago that was just a description of the internet. It annoys the shit out of me that all these barely conscious creatures have amassed to such a degree that you write like you're the one that doesn't belong. In reality, Tiktok people don't need the internet at all. They're just being parasites.
>>2631
>>2612
Ironically, continued exposure to this effect makes me feel more intuitively or deeply the humanity of abstractions online. An image board text post or some idiot flaunting their collection of half-baked AI generated images feels more human to me than a supposedly unfiltered or authentic self-shot video of a person in their house.
I agree that film has a schizophrenia-inducing effect, but I suppose I just don't really mind having my brains scooped out and replaced in that way. I feel it happening but it doesn't bother me.
Yes I agree about the paradoxical effect of places like this instilling a greater feeling of closeness compared to other forms of communication that are technically more face-to-face in a way. It may have to do with the fact that the anonymity provided here prompts people to be more authentic than they would otherwise be both in the "regular" internet and in their everyday lives. Also, it's likely that we are dealing with a sort of survivorship bias, since the people that are more inclined to seek out and regularly post in places like this are already not normies and having our own idiosyncratic interests will make places like this more attractive as a way to express ourselves and connect with others that are similar to us.
Basically, the idiot flaunting their shitty AI collection on an image board feels more familiar because to an extent that person has already jumped through the right hoops to signal to us that they are more similar than they are different. And yeah it sucks to have to say this about all the borderline-sociopathic idiots that are notorious in 4chan and the like, but it's undeniably true that we are more similar to them than we are to a tiktok influencer.
About the effects film has on the mind, I understand that people can enjoy movies without it being damaging to their psyche, but I don't think it's ever beneficial for video to be the most prevalent form of communication and entertainment up to a societal level. I'm not prone to believing conspiracy theories though I can find them interesting, but I can't help but wonder the extent to which the invention of the camera made an impact in people's thoughts and even in the course of history. We tend to see it as something that doesn't factor in at all, to the point of ignoring its existence altogether (like when we forget that everything we see through a screen has previously been recorded, as I said in my previous post) and joking that the cameraman never dies as if the act of recording itself was always completely removed from the situation being captured.
Young people today have a view of reality that has been shaped by social media algorithms, but our grandparents also thought that what they saw in Hollywood movies was supposed to be the ideal life. And even if they understood it as something largely unattainable, it wasn't seen as completely impossible or made up. I know these are two different phenomena but the underlying mechanism is the same, it just evolved with time. It doesn't sit right with me that you can alter someone's view of existence itself to such a fundamental level so easily. And I'm not absolving myself in any way, I've spent more hours on YouTube than I would ever want to admit, even if I quit now and never went back. I just think that at the very least it's crucial to be aware of this effect, and I don't think this awareness is widespread.
>>2643>>2612
Read Amusing Ourselves to Death by Neil Postman. Your intuitions are right but that short book will sharpen them up in less time than it takes to watch LOTR.
I had heard of the title before and liked the book cover but it wasn't really in my radar so thanks I will add it to my list.
>>2645>>2643
Another one is Gilles Châtelet, To Live and Think Like Pigs: Envy and Boredom in Market-Economy Democracies.
>>2590
Looking for someone to blame is the surest way to waste your time. It's the second arrow of suffering: you're bleeding out, looking for the guy that just shot you instead of taking care of the wound or taking cover.
So, we know the diagnosis. Now what?
As >>2588 puts it, the answer is in a blind spot. Many have just left the Internet and/or joined religion. See Jacques Ellul (who took the catholicism pill rather than goinq the bomb&cabin way like Kaczinski), or Jean-Claude Michéa (left his teaching job to larp Stardew Valley with his wife).
This is equivalent to taking the veil and leaving the world behind. Like chopping a limb that grew in order to fit this diseased world. No wonder it is difficult/impossible.
I hadn't heard of Châtelet's book before and its historical materialism mixed with mathematical/scientific elements is very interesting to me so thanks as well for recommending it.
>>2478
There has to be a large number of people who feel similar malaise towards the internet/phone culture as you do. SO, the question is Why hasnt there been any significant internet counterculture? There is a now a young generation who have been forcefed the most sterile corporate net, who use their phones for everything, from work to love to entertainment to friends. Yet, there is not even an angsty "fuck the system" rebellion, which should've happened 10 years ago at the latest. instead of neo-luddite gatherings and disruptions there are "social media detoxs." any opposition is transformed into the safe, health-mindset, individual productivity framwork. The internet seems to be the ultimate absorbent and postpostpostironic detachment is the attitude for everyone on this carnival ride which means nothing actually happens
Because it would need to happen on the internet
Anonymous :
30 days ago :
No.3009
>>3496
>>3009
I don't like scrolling, and the sentiment you described is spot on. However, if I'm not with my phone in any kind of social setting (a classroom, waiting for the bus and on it, and different social gatherings) I feel weird if I don't do it: everyone's doing it, what else am I supposed to do? Look at the ceiling or, worse, at their drooling faces? I don't talk to them because I don't want to bother them, so in the end the sense of discomfort gets the best out of me and I end up scrolling, too. It's repulsing, but I can't escape.
When I see someone scrolling in public, I have a visceral reaction. Like stumbling upon a junky with a needle in his arm. But usually I'm there with phone in hand, too, hypocrite.
Anonymous :
30 days ago :
No.3016
>>3027
>>3016
we need to retvrn to when the internet was only accessible on home computers and you needed a basic understanding of how a computer works to get online.
When I have kids they won't get phone until high school and it will be a flip phone. I can't let them succumb to the mindless scrolling. Mark Zuckerberg was right about not letting his kids have social media. it's evil.
>>2822
>>2631
Yes I agree about the paradoxical effect of places like this instilling a greater feeling of closeness compared to other forms of communication that are technically more face-to-face in a way. It may have to do with the fact that the anonymity provided here prompts people to be more authentic than they would otherwise be both in the "regular" internet and in their everyday lives. Also, it's likely that we are dealing with a sort of survivorship bias, since the people that are more inclined to seek out and regularly post in places like this are already not normies and having our own idiosyncratic interests will make places like this more attractive as a way to express ourselves and connect with others that are similar to us.
Basically, the idiot flaunting their shitty AI collection on an image board feels more familiar because to an extent that person has already jumped through the right hoops to signal to us that they are more similar than they are different. And yeah it sucks to have to say this about all the borderline-sociopathic idiots that are notorious in 4chan and the like, but it's undeniably true that we are more similar to them than we are to a tiktok influencer.
About the effects film has on the mind, I understand that people can enjoy movies without it being damaging to their psyche, but I don't think it's ever beneficial for video to be the most prevalent form of communication and entertainment up to a societal level. I'm not prone to believing conspiracy theories though I can find them interesting, but I can't help but wonder the extent to which the invention of the camera made an impact in people's thoughts and even in the course of history. We tend to see it as something that doesn't factor in at all, to the point of ignoring its existence altogether (like when we forget that everything we see through a screen has previously been recorded, as I said in my previous post) and joking that the cameraman never dies as if the act of recording itself was always completely removed from the situation being captured.
Young people today have a view of reality that has been shaped by social media algorithms, but our grandparents also thought that what they saw in Hollywood movies was supposed to be the ideal life. And even if they understood it as something largely unattainable, it wasn't seen as completely impossible or made up. I know these are two different phenomena but the underlying mechanism is the same, it just evolved with time. It doesn't sit right with me that you can alter someone's view of existence itself to such a fundamental level so easily. And I'm not absolving myself in any way, I've spent more hours on YouTube than I would ever want to admit, even if I quit now and never went back. I just think that at the very least it's crucial to be aware of this effect, and I don't think this awareness is widespread.
>>2643 I had heard of the title before and liked the book cover but it wasn't really in my radar so thanks I will add it to my list.
>>2645 I hadn't heard of Châtelet's book before and its historical materialism mixed with mathematical/scientific elements is very interesting to me so thanks as well for recommending it.
>Also, it's likely that we are dealing with a sort of survivorship bias, since the people that are more inclined to seek out and regularly post in places like this are already not normies and having our own idiosyncratic interests will make places like this more attractive as a way to express ourselves and connect with others that are similar to us.
20 years ago that was just a description of the internet. It annoys the shit out of me that all these barely conscious creatures have amassed to such a degree that you write like you're the one that doesn't belong. In reality, Tiktok people don't need the internet at all. They're just being parasites.
Anonymous :
30 days ago :
No.3027
>>3044
>>3027
I know that the Internet was very different before and I mentioned it in my two previous posts, as well as the fact that the people who exclusively use it through social media like tiktok are very different. But it's undeniable that this is the current state of affairs, and nowadays it's people like us who are the odd ones out. In a way, being in places like this is a more telling indicator of the kind of people we are (or aren't) because we make the choice to come here. It's not the whole internet anymore, you have to seek it out.
I'm in university and as a teen I made the conscious choice to avoid social media. I was one of the only kids without an Instagram account (let alone tiktok, snapchat back when in was big...) and nowadays I'm basically the only one in my circle who has never used it. I mean I still wish I had spent way less time in front of a screen but at least I spent it watching long-form YouTube videos, reading Wikipedia entries, going down weird rabbit holes... instead of frying my attention span completely and knowing what all my peers were doing at every moment (which inevitably leads to comparison).
I do think it has made an impact on how I went through puberty and my relationship with technology (I'm writing this on my desktop computer which I think most younger people rarely use if it's not to play videogames), but then again I don't know how most other people in my age group have been affected by all of this because I don't have a window into their everyday lives since they publish it all on their insta profiles. Ironically, an "older" adult (Millenials basically) that is in regular contact with teens and zoomers in their early twenties will probably have a more thorough understanding of this whole situation than me.
>>3016
>>2822
>Also, it's likely that we are dealing with a sort of survivorship bias, since the people that are more inclined to seek out and regularly post in places like this are already not normies and having our own idiosyncratic interests will make places like this more attractive as a way to express ourselves and connect with others that are similar to us.
20 years ago that was just a description of the internet. It annoys the shit out of me that all these barely conscious creatures have amassed to such a degree that you write like you're the one that doesn't belong. In reality, Tiktok people don't need the internet at all. They're just being parasites.
we need to retvrn to when the internet was only accessible on home computers and you needed a basic understanding of how a computer works to get online.
When I have kids they won't get phone until high school and it will be a flip phone. I can't let them succumb to the mindless scrolling. Mark Zuckerberg was right about not letting his kids have social media. it's evil.
>>3027
>>3016
we need to retvrn to when the internet was only accessible on home computers and you needed a basic understanding of how a computer works to get online.
When I have kids they won't get phone until high school and it will be a flip phone. I can't let them succumb to the mindless scrolling. Mark Zuckerberg was right about not letting his kids have social media. it's evil.
I know that the Internet was very different before and I mentioned it in my two previous posts, as well as the fact that the people who exclusively use it through social media like tiktok are very different. But it's undeniable that this is the current state of affairs, and nowadays it's people like us who are the odd ones out. In a way, being in places like this is a more telling indicator of the kind of people we are (or aren't) because we make the choice to come here. It's not the whole internet anymore, you have to seek it out.
I'm in university and as a teen I made the conscious choice to avoid social media. I was one of the only kids without an Instagram account (let alone tiktok, snapchat back when in was big...) and nowadays I'm basically the only one in my circle who has never used it. I mean I still wish I had spent way less time in front of a screen but at least I spent it watching long-form YouTube videos, reading Wikipedia entries, going down weird rabbit holes... instead of frying my attention span completely and knowing what all my peers were doing at every moment (which inevitably leads to comparison).
I do think it has made an impact on how I went through puberty and my relationship with technology (I'm writing this on my desktop computer which I think most younger people rarely use if it's not to play videogames), but then again I don't know how most other people in my age group have been affected by all of this because I don't have a window into their everyday lives since they publish it all on their insta profiles. Ironically, an "older" adult (Millenials basically) that is in regular contact with teens and zoomers in their early twenties will probably have a more thorough understanding of this whole situation than me.
Thank you admin for making this website :)
I was here for a little while before the chan influx and plan to stick around for at least a little while longer.
You have made the kind of website I want to use and I appreciate it.
>>2564
>>2478
Fuck the system used to happen because the youth didn't get what they wanted.
The current youth gets all types of free porn and other types of snuff movies, legal amphetamines and weed, an insane amount of games, cartoons, tv, movies, whatever.
It's way too comfortable for rebellion.
Besides, it is always said "they grew up with the Internet/screens", but more importantly, they grew up with mics and cameras pointed at them at all time. A rebellion is too much of a risk of ridicule and failure, and I am not sure the youngest adults know how to exist without being watched and commented.
>Besides, it is always said "they grew up with the Internet/screens", but more importantly, they grew up with mics and cameras pointed at them at all time. A rebellion is too much of a risk of ridicule and failure, and I am not sure the youngest adults know how to exist without being watched and commented.
In the Roman Empire, it often happened that when an emperor was assassinated or died without an immediately obvious heir, some senator would stand on the senate floor and give a speech about how the age of tyranny was over and the Republic would rise once more from its ashes. People would clap, and then they'd all sit around and do nothing because they weren't actually sure how to go about bringing the Republic back, as they had all been raised exclusively in the Imperial system. And then a new emperor would be instate and they'd acknowledge him and go back to complaining in private.
I think about this a lot these days.
>>17 (OP)
Three sentences and already a political buzzword. I cannot relate because the internet did not begin for me around the great internet political shift of 2016. I feel surrounded on websites all over by revisionists who pop up and behave as if the past 10-15 years of internet history is what the entire scope and depth of the 'net has been since its inception.
Anonymous :
26 days ago :
No.3496
>>3497
>>3496
I think the solution is to embrace being a outlier and just stare at people anyways. If it bugs them, fuck 'em.
>>3498>>3496
A while ago I made a point of not bringing my phone with me to places I didn't need it. I went to a restaurant near me and ordered food. They kept forgetting my order and I sat there for an hour with nothing to do; I had only planned on being there for a few minutes before going on with my day. The most that came of it was chatting with the hostess about the fact that I wasn't using my phone. What on earth were people doing in the before times?
>>3509>>3496
There are people today living together in caves doing nothing but looking at the contents of their own minds. I think if you lead by example you'll find other people embarrassed, not you.
>>3009
When I see someone scrolling in public, I have a visceral reaction. Like stumbling upon a junky with a needle in his arm. But usually I'm there with phone in hand, too, hypocrite.
I don't like scrolling, and the sentiment you described is spot on. However, if I'm not with my phone in any kind of social setting (a classroom, waiting for the bus and on it, and different social gatherings) I feel weird if I don't do it: everyone's doing it, what else am I supposed to do? Look at the ceiling or, worse, at their drooling faces? I don't talk to them because I don't want to bother them, so in the end the sense of discomfort gets the best out of me and I end up scrolling, too. It's repulsing, but I can't escape.
>>3496
>>3009
I don't like scrolling, and the sentiment you described is spot on. However, if I'm not with my phone in any kind of social setting (a classroom, waiting for the bus and on it, and different social gatherings) I feel weird if I don't do it: everyone's doing it, what else am I supposed to do? Look at the ceiling or, worse, at their drooling faces? I don't talk to them because I don't want to bother them, so in the end the sense of discomfort gets the best out of me and I end up scrolling, too. It's repulsing, but I can't escape.
I think the solution is to embrace being a outlier and just stare at people anyways. If it bugs them, fuck 'em.
Anonymous :
26 days ago :
No.3498
>>3851
>>3498
probably said something about 10 minutes instead of just sitting there like a chump
>>3496
>>3009
I don't like scrolling, and the sentiment you described is spot on. However, if I'm not with my phone in any kind of social setting (a classroom, waiting for the bus and on it, and different social gatherings) I feel weird if I don't do it: everyone's doing it, what else am I supposed to do? Look at the ceiling or, worse, at their drooling faces? I don't talk to them because I don't want to bother them, so in the end the sense of discomfort gets the best out of me and I end up scrolling, too. It's repulsing, but I can't escape.
A while ago I made a point of not bringing my phone with me to places I didn't need it. I went to a restaurant near me and ordered food. They kept forgetting my order and I sat there for an hour with nothing to do; I had only planned on being there for a few minutes before going on with my day. The most that came of it was chatting with the hostess about the fact that I wasn't using my phone. What on earth were people doing in the before times?
>>3496
>>3009
I don't like scrolling, and the sentiment you described is spot on. However, if I'm not with my phone in any kind of social setting (a classroom, waiting for the bus and on it, and different social gatherings) I feel weird if I don't do it: everyone's doing it, what else am I supposed to do? Look at the ceiling or, worse, at their drooling faces? I don't talk to them because I don't want to bother them, so in the end the sense of discomfort gets the best out of me and I end up scrolling, too. It's repulsing, but I can't escape.
There are people today living together in caves doing nothing but looking at the contents of their own minds. I think if you lead by example you'll find other people embarrassed, not you.
>>3498
>>3496
A while ago I made a point of not bringing my phone with me to places I didn't need it. I went to a restaurant near me and ordered food. They kept forgetting my order and I sat there for an hour with nothing to do; I had only planned on being there for a few minutes before going on with my day. The most that came of it was chatting with the hostess about the fact that I wasn't using my phone. What on earth were people doing in the before times?
probably said something about 10 minutes instead of just sitting there like a chump
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Anonymous :
22 days ago :
No.3853
>>3854
>>3853
my friend has a dumbphone and seems to like it
i'm hoping they invent one with signal then maybe it would be a possibility for me...
Who here is flip phone pilled? How has it improved or not improved your life? I'm thinking of dropping the smartphone and getting one, keeping the posting just to the computer.
Anonymous :
22 days ago :
No.3854
>>3857
>>3854
I remember there was some buzz around a flip phone that had Android on it, so you could still use all the usual messaging apps but it made it harder to use the phone for addictive purposes. I think it was a Cat branded phone, like the construction company? But I think it was getting discontinued, so support was going to get yanked away.
>>3870I have used a dumbphone my entire life and never transitioned over to using smartphones. It's such a small part of the population that I can easily dox myself by saying this, lol (I may even be the "friend" in question from >>3854? Hope not). But I can't answer the "have you gone back" question because I have never went "forward" in the first place.
>>3857 might be referring to the KaiOS line of dumbphones, which are technically (partially) Android, and which I also own one of. One of my planned projects is to dive deeper into its development as it is a surprisingly brittle system and ripe for experimentation.
>>3854
The Punkt phones have Signal compatibility, but I've heard their implementation of it is spotty, not in terms of security but it must use their own service or something like that. Their system is also closed-source and locked down as fuck, what a pain in the ass.
>>3853
Who here is flip phone pilled? How has it improved or not improved your life? I'm thinking of dropping the smartphone and getting one, keeping the posting just to the computer.
my friend has a dumbphone and seems to like it
i'm hoping they invent one with signal then maybe it would be a possibility for me...
Anonymous :
22 days ago :
No.3857
>>3870
I have used a dumbphone my entire life and never transitioned over to using smartphones. It's such a small part of the population that I can easily dox myself by saying this, lol (I may even be the "friend" in question from >>3854? Hope not). But I can't answer the "have you gone back" question because I have never went "forward" in the first place.
>>3857 might be referring to the KaiOS line of dumbphones, which are technically (partially) Android, and which I also own one of. One of my planned projects is to dive deeper into its development as it is a surprisingly brittle system and ripe for experimentation.
>>3854
The Punkt phones have Signal compatibility, but I've heard their implementation of it is spotty, not in terms of security but it must use their own service or something like that. Their system is also closed-source and locked down as fuck, what a pain in the ass.
>>3854
>>3853
my friend has a dumbphone and seems to like it
i'm hoping they invent one with signal then maybe it would be a possibility for me...
I remember there was some buzz around a flip phone that had Android on it, so you could still use all the usual messaging apps but it made it harder to use the phone for addictive purposes. I think it was a Cat branded phone, like the construction company? But I think it was getting discontinued, so support was going to get yanked away.
Anonymous :
22 days ago :
No.3870
>>3878
>>3870
No, I was thinking of the Cat S22, but that KaiOS line looks interesting. I would be glad if I had never used a smartphone as you have.
I have used a dumbphone my entire life and never transitioned over to using smartphones. It's such a small part of the population that I can easily dox myself by saying this, lol (I may even be the "friend" in question from >>3854
>>3853
my friend has a dumbphone and seems to like it
i'm hoping they invent one with signal then maybe it would be a possibility for me...
? Hope not). But I can't answer the "have you gone back" question because I have never went "forward" in the first place.
>>3857>>3854
I remember there was some buzz around a flip phone that had Android on it, so you could still use all the usual messaging apps but it made it harder to use the phone for addictive purposes. I think it was a Cat branded phone, like the construction company? But I think it was getting discontinued, so support was going to get yanked away.
might be referring to the KaiOS line of dumbphones, which are technically (partially) Android, and which I also own one of. One of my planned projects is to dive deeper into its development as it is a surprisingly brittle system and ripe for experimentation.
>>3854>>3853
my friend has a dumbphone and seems to like it
i'm hoping they invent one with signal then maybe it would be a possibility for me...
The Punkt phones have Signal compatibility, but I've heard their implementation of it is spotty, not in terms of security but it must use their own service or something like that. Their system is also closed-source and locked down as fuck, what a pain in the ass.
Anonymous :
21 days ago :
No.3878
>>3880
>>3878
What are the benefits of hacking the dumbphones, other than pure curiosity and knowhow?
>>3870
I have used a dumbphone my entire life and never transitioned over to using smartphones. It's such a small part of the population that I can easily dox myself by saying this, lol (I may even be the "friend" in question from >>3854? Hope not). But I can't answer the "have you gone back" question because I have never went "forward" in the first place.
>>3857 might be referring to the KaiOS line of dumbphones, which are technically (partially) Android, and which I also own one of. One of my planned projects is to dive deeper into its development as it is a surprisingly brittle system and ripe for experimentation.
>>3854
The Punkt phones have Signal compatibility, but I've heard their implementation of it is spotty, not in terms of security but it must use their own service or something like that. Their system is also closed-source and locked down as fuck, what a pain in the ass.
No, I was thinking of the Cat S22, but that KaiOS line looks interesting. I would be glad if I had never used a smartphone as you have.
I have bought my first smartphone last year (moving abroad, it felt necessary - I am not so sure it was true, but it had made a difficult time way easier).
One year later, I spend an average ~1 hour a day on it (I expected worse, although I am not satisfied with it).
I see now that most "applications" are software that are only available in "the stores", and the computer is on its way to obsolescence.
I am devising a way to get rid of the phone during the next year: my plan is to turn it into some sort of landline (since I need to keep the number and some state apps) and leave it home glued to one of these stupid retro phone thing (and maybe to a brick too).