i really wish nolan would get a real writer to work on his movies. weird editing, nonsensical pacing. the film included too much and somehow also included too little. the score and cinematography seemed to imply a film made up of wide, slow landscape shots à la Lawrence of Arabia, but the editing flipped through it all at lighting speed like channel surfing. “zeus’ law” as a narrative device is genuinely retarded. “xenia,” the concept of greek hospitality, was not discussed in that way. cultural practices like that are deeply ingrained, to such a degree that having frequent conversations about them feels unnatural. tom holland explaining “zeus’ law” every ten seconds is like if a modern story frequently explains capitalism. “capitalism… it’s a system where private individuals control the means of production…” odysseus is nothing like odysseus. watch o brother where art thou for a genuinely accurate odysseus. “our age of bronze is collapsing” made me cringe so hard i squirmed. nolan really watched one youtube video of the bronze age collapse and reframed the whole story around that. the idea that odysseus and his crew were the historical sea peoples is genuinely not a bad idea, but jesus it was done horribly. circe was good, i liked athena, odysseus’ dumbass crew felt accurate, polyphemus felt like himself - but enough was cut out that it all failed to connect as well as it did in the original story. just read the original (not the wilson version). it’s not beyond your ability, it’s a fun story. the movie was made for morons who want to consider themselves intelligent but don’t want to actually read anything
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Anonymous :
19 days ago :
No.11426
>>11514
>>11426 (OP)
tenet is the only good Nolan movie btw
I don't disagree with anything you wrote here but I did enjoy the film. I think I'm easily pleased by cinema.
What pisses me off is that Nolan has this moralistic aspect, he has to justify the Circe's famous turning of the men into pigs by promoting this idea that she was basically feared she was about to to be raped. "How did you think I would feel, a lone woman surrounded by 20 men?" or words to that effect. Just absolute Nolanslop. Why not embrace the non-modern ethos of the film? Audiences love anti-heroes, why turn Odysseus into a suburban dad?
The actual action scenes were really well done, to my mind. Sirens underplayed, though. Unexciting.
Anonymous :
18 days ago :
No.11437
>>11451
>>11437
Agreed. Film is often the lowest form of media, it's either high investment slop meant to reflect accepted sentiments or zero budget "ironic" dogshit made by hacks.
As a Chad Music Listener, I will never understand movie fans that know the medium has been reduced to complete garbage and yet will continue to pay stupid prices to sit in a dark room and be shown for two hours how much everything sucks.
Anonymous :
18 days ago :
No.11451
>>11458
>>11451
See David Thomson's "A Sudden Flicker of Light: A Revisionist History of Movies" for an expansion on this theme. A film critic all his life, Thomson comes to the conclusion it'd be better had film ultimately never existed.
>>11464>>11451
not tv?
>>11513>>11451
spoken like someone who knows jack shit about film
>>11437
As a Chad Music Listener, I will never understand movie fans that know the medium has been reduced to complete garbage and yet will continue to pay stupid prices to sit in a dark room and be shown for two hours how much everything sucks.
Agreed. Film is often the lowest form of media, it's either high investment slop meant to reflect accepted sentiments or zero budget "ironic" dogshit made by hacks.
>>11451
>>11437
Agreed. Film is often the lowest form of media, it's either high investment slop meant to reflect accepted sentiments or zero budget "ironic" dogshit made by hacks.
See David Thomson's "A Sudden Flicker of Light: A Revisionist History of Movies" for an expansion on this theme. A film critic all his life, Thomson comes to the conclusion it'd be better had film ultimately never existed.
Anonymous :
17 days ago :
No.11464
>>11465
>>11464
Everyone knows TV is trash, no one goes into it with the same lofty expectations that filmgoers go into each film thinking it'll be Casablanca or whatever. TV is also a primarily utilitarian medium like radio and newspapers, the brief moment of "prestige TV" notwithstanding. The unmet artistic and creative potential of film is much louder.
I don't hate film but I never got into it as a source of entertainment. I just find the constant disappointment of filmgoers to be a bit sad and repetitive. They also seem to be the least willing or able to understand that movies are made by an industry and not individual creative auteurs with keen control over every frame.
>>11464
>>11451
not tv?
Everyone knows TV is trash, no one goes into it with the same lofty expectations that filmgoers go into each film thinking it'll be Casablanca or whatever. TV is also a primarily utilitarian medium like radio and newspapers, the brief moment of "prestige TV" notwithstanding. The unmet artistic and creative potential of film is much louder.
I don't hate film but I never got into it as a source of entertainment. I just find the constant disappointment of filmgoers to be a bit sad and repetitive. They also seem to be the least willing or able to understand that movies are made by an industry and not individual creative auteurs with keen control over every frame.
>>11426 (OP)
tenet is the only good Nolan movie btw