/pt/ – Petrarchan

>>10136 >I don't want to be homeless What does this mean? Can you even 'own' your house? Or does it get foreclosed on once you stop paying your "property/land tax"? AFAIK... allodial titles are the only way to not be 'homeless'. If you pay rent/tax... you still don't 'own' your house. I think what you meant to say is "I don't want it to become apparent I'm homeless (even though everyone is)"

>>10335 apples aren't actually red, they just reflect red light into your eyes

>>10666 yeah, so funny. But my point still stands. Even if a blind person can't see red, he will learn to associate the color with what he sees as 'red'. but you're homeless, anon. You rent to the state via taxes , that they then use to mike your life worse.

>>10671 >Even if a COLOR* blind person can't see red

>>10671 how is that any less homeless than living in a society where the state doesn't exist to protect your property? if anyone can just come along and kill you with no law enforcement, do you really own anything?

>>10679 Shockingly shallow analysis. Are you going to evoke the Demiurge next or what? No one uses the word "homeless" to mean that there are no contingencies on their home, that they'll now live forever in an unchanging universe. And then you go and espouse absolute nihilism. You sure care a lot for someone who professes the ultimate meaninglessness of everything. No man will outlive meaning, so what does one care about after their own death?

>>10679 Sure ownership is a fuzzy thing, but my mortgage provides me with a number of social and material rights that are likely to increase my quality of life over time (contingent on the continued existence of the USA). It's a lottery ticket with a 90% chance of hitting + my 'rent' is locked in at 2019 prices. When the mortgage is paid off I will owe $150 a month in taxes, about 10% of average rent in my area at 2019 rates (this number isn't locked in but lags behind property inflation). The market value of my home has increased 40% since purchase, so if I ever decide I'd like to move I can sell and take profits from the sale. In the event that I lose my job and can't find another one, "losing my home" would mean the liquidation of a six figure sum which I would receive in cash. And again, I pay less per month than I would for a 1 bedroom apartment in my city. You can revolt against the modern world or you can work with it. I love the apparatus and it loves me back.

>>10685 >espouse absolute nihilism That's what you're reading into it? Through a materialist lens thats what it appears to you. But that's not how I see it at all, its actually a freeing mindset. >No man will outlive meaning, so what does one care about after their own death? Legacy (which will be forgotten over time), family/descendants (Who all will benefit to some degree with material you pass to them... but not as much as you think.) Basically nothing is permanent and that is not 'meaninglessness'. Remember, this is a thread about 'adventuremaxxing' and thats basically how I frame my life, chasing memories and experiences to share with others that will eventually be forgotten. I am not OP though. >>10686 >And again, I pay less per month than I would for a 1 bedroom apartment in my city. But pay you do, 'own' you do not. Your argument that 'its cheaper to own' is true for the most part, but this still doesn't mean you actually own the place. The market value of 'your' house (any asset really) is subjected to inflation, which can help a mortgage but negates a 40% value increase (this is also not factoring maintenance on a house). At the end of the day we're talking about people who have a money printer and you measure everything in life that matters to that meaningless paper currency. >I love the apparatus and it loves me back. Its indifferent at best, parasitical at worse.

>>10685 >espouse absolute nihilism That's what you're reading into it? Through a materialist lens thats what it appears to you. But that's not how I see it at all, its actually a freeing mindset. >No man will outlive meaning, so what does one care about after their own death? Legacy (which will be forgotten over time), family/descendants (Who all will benefit to some degree with material you pass to them... but not as much as you think.) Basically nothing is permanent and that is not 'meaninglessness'. Remember, this is a thread about 'adventuremaxxing' and thats basically how I frame my life, chasing memories and experiences to share with others that will eventually be forgotten. I am not OP though. >>10686 >And again, I pay less per month than I would for a 1 bedroom apartment in my city. But pay you do, 'own' you do not. Your argument that 'its cheaper to own' is true for the most part, but this still doesn't mean you actually own the place. The market value of 'your' house (any asset really) is subjected to inflation, which can help a mortgage but negates a 40% value increase (this is also not factoring maintenance on a house). At the end of the day we're talking about people who have a money printer and you measure everything in life that matters to that meaningless paper currency. >I love the apparatus and it loves me back. Its indifferent at best, parasitical at worse.

>>10688 Ownership, no matter how tenuous, is still an experience in itself. What exactly do you purport this adventure that awaits us out there is? Should I go become a bartender in Guam? An English teacher in Tokyo? Simply take a tent out and subsist off of nature's bounty? Maybe the stability of a regular domicile along with valued possessions and the mundane adventure within one's natural environment is more exciting than leaving it all behind for some vague notion of escape. I very much want to have an apartment or house where I can relax, and whatever vacations I've had have been frankly underwhelming throughout my life. Sure, I remember them, but not all that fondly. Your argument seems to be primarily against people who work their whole lives away for more and more, not the average person who just lives their life content with what they've got. Is there anyone here like that, a full-blooded capitalist whose entire ambition is filling out his bank account? Doubt it.

>>10688 Basically you can keep talking about the money printer and the sordid state of industrial capitalism but ur still gonna be broke and I'm gonna be stacking pape so??

>>10689 >Maybe the stability of a regular domicile along with valued possessions and the mundane adventure within one's natural environment is more exciting than leaving it all behind for some vague notion of escape. Usually is, I never said become a vagabond. But this also doesn't mean derive all your purpose from material things (that you cannot own). Most people may find my life more or less stressful. I strive to learn new things, from new people, from different places. At what point does that get boring? Differs for everyone. I think the real limiting factor is age. For some people its 30, 50 ,70 , but some people die before they get bored? >Is there anyone here like that, a full-blooded capitalist whose entire ambition is filling out his bank account? Doubt it. Well hopefully not, but I do see these people and they are fairly common where I live. I've always had the philosophy 'work to live not live to work.'

>>10689 >average person who just lives their life content with what they've got i cannot think of any person who falls in this category. every middle class i know is working insanely hard to get by. while there may be moments of contentment in most of these people's lives in form of watching Netflix, maybe ordering doordash when they get home from work and on the weekends I wouldn't call it a content life. except perhaps people who have insane amounts of social anxiety or are super autistic and are perfectly fine mentally and spiritually being shut ins, humans yearn for nature and community and variety in life and no average person I know has that anymore. they're living for escapism and I don't blame them

>>10689 You've described my exact issue with a lot of this zoomer Bourdain-informed idealistic way of thinking about traveling and "adventure." The greatest adventures a person can go on are ones that are of deep personal importance, not taking capricious vacations to remote regions of Europe where you don't even speak the language. What made Bourdain's show so interesting is that he actually knew most of the people he was visiting and had connections to the places. I think the the guy raising a new family in Michigan is on a far greater adventure than the guy waiting tables in Spain so he can talk about his trip later. Same thing applies to work, people who do what they do out of necessity or passion are much more interesting than someone intentionally trying to work interesting jobs.

>>10694 >If your debt is greater than your liquid assets then inflation is a good thing for your nut -- free financial advice I guess your reading comprehension could use more work. I already made that point to the post you responded to. >>10695 Yes keep stacking your literal paper, the key to happiness. You're young, you'll understand it was in vain at some point.

>>10694 >If your debt is greater than your liquid assets then inflation is a good thing for your nut -- free financial advice I guess your reading comprehension could use more work. I already made that point to the post you responded to. >>10695 Yes keep stacking your literal paper, the key to happiness. You're young, you'll understand it was in vain at some point.

>>10709 I won't

>>11233 I don't exactly disagree but finding a job you are passionate about is one of the hardest things in life, easily of similar difficulty to the task of finding a life partner. Given this, I don't at all blame people for simply trying to do interesting jobs.... it's not a bad heuristic for things that might engender passion further down the line.

>>11233 Working in a foreign country as a young person for a few years is a totally regular thing for the rest of the world, rich and poor, it's only Americans who are parochial enough to have to dress it up in "Bourdain-informed idealistic travel" in order to understand the practice