Hi /pt/, I fixed the thing where old threads get bumped by spam posts and then don't drop back down the catalog when the useless replies get deleted. At the same time I bumped the version of the web framework, seems to work fine on my end but if anyone has any issues please let me know. You may have noticed that I added some nav links at the bottom of threads recently too, hopefully they are useful. Anyway I've noticed a bit of an increase in posts about the site culture and moderation so consider this an admin approved thread for discussing these topics frankly and openly. I know there are not really any published rules for the board or anything and that is deliberate but I am happy to answer questions here about my own 'philosophy' if that is not too grand a word. cheers, jack p.s. have been enjoying processing the submissions for ventoux issue 2, you can still submit! the email is ventoux at this domain.
site updates + meta thread :
jgb (Admin) :
250 days ago :
No.6308
>>6317
>>6308 (OP)
>hopefully they are useful.
They are, thanks!
>>6552>>6308 (OP)
Please add the ability to quick-reply to a post by clicking its number; that'd be a huge QoL improvement.
Thank you for your work thus far.
>>7302>>6308 (OP)
Quoting another thread:
>Anon: It's clear either way admin has no overt interest in distinguishing this website from 4chan.
>Admin: I do, but I was rather hoping it could be done without heavy moderation.
Like I said there, 4chan is heavily moderated, just not well. It's far easier for a shitty user to ruin a discussion than for a good user to fix one.
Set up some rules and expectations, and you can be transparent about what gets culled. You wouldn't be the first to brand offenders with USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST in big red letters.
>>7877>>6308 (OP)
do you accept PRs to the source code? for feature contributions like
>>6552
which should be achievable w/o js by using a styled <a> tag with an anchor href.
Anonymous :
249 days ago :
No.6312
>>6318
>>6312
It's important to me that literature is one of the main things discussed on the board, in part because literature is one of the closest things to my own heart, but also because a board which discusses serious books is likely to have good discussion about most other things.
Implicit here is the answer to your question, which is that I do not desire for /pt/ to be exclusively about literature. The governing principle of the board should be a vibe and a certain amount of common feeling among the users rather than a content policy. This is, approximately, how rsp works, and in its heydey it was an extremely good web forum. It's still better than most others.
On the topic of content policies: I despise nothing more than despotic little reddit mods who get two inch hard ons every time they ban someone for violating rule 17 subsection (b). I would prefer you to think that my moderation is arbitrary and opinionated than pedantic and smug.
>>6317
I'm glad :)
One thing I wanted to know, do you want this to be a more strictly /lit/-focused board?
Anonymous :
249 days ago :
No.6317
>>6318
>>6312
It's important to me that literature is one of the main things discussed on the board, in part because literature is one of the closest things to my own heart, but also because a board which discusses serious books is likely to have good discussion about most other things.
Implicit here is the answer to your question, which is that I do not desire for /pt/ to be exclusively about literature. The governing principle of the board should be a vibe and a certain amount of common feeling among the users rather than a content policy. This is, approximately, how rsp works, and in its heydey it was an extremely good web forum. It's still better than most others.
On the topic of content policies: I despise nothing more than despotic little reddit mods who get two inch hard ons every time they ban someone for violating rule 17 subsection (b). I would prefer you to think that my moderation is arbitrary and opinionated than pedantic and smug.
>>6317
I'm glad :)
>>6308 (OP)
>hopefully they are useful.
They are, thanks!
>>6312
One thing I wanted to know, do you want this to be a more strictly /lit/-focused board?
It's important to me that literature is one of the main things discussed on the board, in part because literature is one of the closest things to my own heart, but also because a board which discusses serious books is likely to have good discussion about most other things.
Implicit here is the answer to your question, which is that I do not desire for /pt/ to be exclusively about literature. The governing principle of the board should be a vibe and a certain amount of common feeling among the users rather than a content policy. This is, approximately, how rsp works, and in its heydey it was an extremely good web forum. It's still better than most others.
On the topic of content policies: I despise nothing more than despotic little reddit mods who get two inch hard ons every time they ban someone for violating rule 17 subsection (b). I would prefer you to think that my moderation is arbitrary and opinionated than pedantic and smug.
>>6317>>6308 (OP)
>hopefully they are useful.
They are, thanks!
I'm glad :)
Anonymous :
238 days ago :
No.6538
>>6545
>>6538
sorry, but this is unlikely to happen because as you note the copyright risk is significant and pdfs are a potential vector for attacks similar to the 4chan hack.
>>6542
yes, I do. it is not perfect, I sometimes wish that people would respond a bit more constructively to each other, and of course we could do with more traffic and post volume, but I think the board is on a steady upwards trajectory and I view the building of the community here as an ongoing and collaborative process.
Hi admin. I think it would be cool if we could upload .pdfs, and would fit in the theme of the board. I think the potential benefit to this outweighs the security and legal problems (let's bring trust back to the small-i internet).
Anonymous :
238 days ago :
No.6542
>>6545
>>6538
sorry, but this is unlikely to happen because as you note the copyright risk is significant and pdfs are a potential vector for attacks similar to the 4chan hack.
>>6542
yes, I do. it is not perfect, I sometimes wish that people would respond a bit more constructively to each other, and of course we could do with more traffic and post volume, but I think the board is on a steady upwards trajectory and I view the building of the community here as an ongoing and collaborative process.
Do you like what you've created?
Anonymous (Admin) :
238 days ago :
No.6545
>>6548
>>6545
You really want this place to be super professional and serious lol, should just accept being part of the internet dredges and let the black flag fly... Ah well. Maybe I'll host an IPFS instance or smth
>>6538
Hi admin. I think it would be cool if we could upload .pdfs, and would fit in the theme of the board. I think the potential benefit to this outweighs the security and legal problems (let's bring trust back to the small-i internet).
sorry, but this is unlikely to happen because as you note the copyright risk is significant and pdfs are a potential vector for attacks similar to the 4chan hack.
>>6542Do you like what you've created?
yes, I do. it is not perfect, I sometimes wish that people would respond a bit more constructively to each other, and of course we could do with more traffic and post volume, but I think the board is on a steady upwards trajectory and I view the building of the community here as an ongoing and collaborative process.
Anonymous :
238 days ago :
No.6548
>>6549
>>6548
I absolutely do not want it to be 'professional and serious' lol. This whole project is about carving out a place on the web that is entirely independent of 'professional and serious' (i.e. amoral) big tech. I just want to minimise the possibility of the board getting vandalised / having to take it offline.
>>6545
>>6538
sorry, but this is unlikely to happen because as you note the copyright risk is significant and pdfs are a potential vector for attacks similar to the 4chan hack.
>>6542
yes, I do. it is not perfect, I sometimes wish that people would respond a bit more constructively to each other, and of course we could do with more traffic and post volume, but I think the board is on a steady upwards trajectory and I view the building of the community here as an ongoing and collaborative process.
You really want this place to be super professional and serious lol, should just accept being part of the internet dredges and let the black flag fly... Ah well. Maybe I'll host an IPFS instance or smth
>>6548
>>6545
You really want this place to be super professional and serious lol, should just accept being part of the internet dredges and let the black flag fly... Ah well. Maybe I'll host an IPFS instance or smth
I absolutely do not want it to be 'professional and serious' lol. This whole project is about carving out a place on the web that is entirely independent of 'professional and serious' (i.e. amoral) big tech. I just want to minimise the possibility of the board getting vandalised / having to take it offline.
Anonymous :
238 days ago :
No.6552
>>6553
>>6552
This
>>7877>>6308 (OP)
do you accept PRs to the source code? for feature contributions like
>>6552
which should be achievable w/o js by using a styled <a> tag with an anchor href.
>>6308 (OP)
Please add the ability to quick-reply to a post by clicking its number; that'd be a huge QoL improvement.
Thank you for your work thus far.
Anonymous :
238 days ago :
No.6553
>>6554
>>6553
I'm not the admin, but my understanding is that that's hard to do w/o JavaScript, which the admin doesn't like
>>6552
>>6308 (OP)
Please add the ability to quick-reply to a post by clicking its number; that'd be a huge QoL improvement.
Thank you for your work thus far.
This
Admin, add free punjabi flash games that I can play whilst waiting for a reply to my genius posts.
Good job.
Anonymous :
212 days ago :
No.7245
>>7253
>>7245
the software records your IP along with the post you make. when the thread falls off the bottom of the catalog your post, and the IP associated with it, is entirely deleted. you can check the source code to prove this if you care.
Does this site also keeps a record of every message (with the associated IP) like 4cucks does?
>>7245
Does this site also keeps a record of every message (with the associated IP) like 4cucks does?
the software records your IP along with the post you make. when the thread falls off the bottom of the catalog your post, and the IP associated with it, is entirely deleted. you can check the source code to prove this if you care.
>>6308 (OP)
Quoting another thread:
>Anon: It's clear either way admin has no overt interest in distinguishing this website from 4chan.
>Admin: I do, but I was rather hoping it could be done without heavy moderation.
Like I said there, 4chan is heavily moderated, just not well. It's far easier for a shitty user to ruin a discussion than for a good user to fix one.
Set up some rules and expectations, and you can be transparent about what gets culled. You wouldn't be the first to brand offenders with USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST in big red letters.
Are you not entertained????
Anonymous :
153 days ago :
No.7877
>>7887
>>7877
sure, you can send a PR. No guarantee that I will accept it though :p
>>6308 (OP)
do you accept PRs to the source code? for feature contributions like
>>6552
>>6308 (OP)
Please add the ability to quick-reply to a post by clicking its number; that'd be a huge QoL improvement.
Thank you for your work thus far.
which should be achievable w/o js by using a styled <a> tag with an anchor href.
>>7877
>>6308 (OP)
do you accept PRs to the source code? for feature contributions like
>>6552
which should be achievable w/o js by using a styled <a> tag with an anchor href.
sure, you can send a PR. No guarantee that I will accept it though :p
Easy way to stop the spam: restrict to ASCII
Nah admin has just left this place out to dry until it finally croaks for good
He's too busy serving pints to Barry to sit at home and write boring-ass spam catcher code. I do not blame him one bit.
Literally comments on reddit 100x more than his own website that he wrote the whole fucking backend for. If that's not chad behavior I don't know what is.
But having a reddit account is cucked
Admin! Delete your reddit account and return to your people
Anonymous (Admin) :
136 days ago :
No.7950
>>7954
>>7950
I'm sure there are public lists out there. A quick search led me to several on github.
The admin of Rateyourmusic does this but it's trivially easy to get past by using an exit node in a smaller country with lesser-used servers. Not sure if he rolls his own list or uses public ones. It sucks for a lot of people, e.g. Chinese users. It's not a perfect system.
IP blocking also runs the risk of punishing those behind a CGNAT like mobile users.
Geoblocking is stupid too, practically 20th century security at this point -- though if you want to ban all American users you would see the quality of discussion increase dramatically. Food for thought...
There's a lot of security debate out there about how IP-based blocking isn't the number one solution, or shouldn't be used exclusively. Also banning links won't stop the kiddy porn posters as they use images, and this is an imageboard. Sorry that webhosting sucks so much in current year. I also believe in the dream of micro-scale communities but we are finding out together the hard way why that has fallen by the wayside.
Sorry guys, tbh i got a bit rattled by the cp and neglected the site for a bit. Posting is back, but no links allowed any more.
If anyone knows a good way of blocking VPN IPs let me know, literally all unwanted posts come from VPNs.
Anonymous :
135 days ago :
No.7954
>>7968
>>7954
>I also believe in the dream of micro-scale communities but we are finding out together the hard way why that has fallen by the wayside.
So do I. I do think the web was better when it was more text than images though. Imageboards like this are quaint and nostalgic now but were once the cutting edge of rotting the internet. I remember the day some dipshit added an image thread to my favorite forum and it essentially made the new post notification for the general forum useless. Posting quality declined a lot too. Lately, I've been hanging out on parts of the internet that are not the web. It's better, but there's literally nothing that can be done about the externality of 99.9% of people using the internet in the decadent fashion they have been for the past couple decades. If you opt out of the derangement machine and everyone else opts in, you still have to deal with crazy people all the time. It's just the crazy people become society rather than a mere subset that uses the derangement machine.
>>7950
Sorry guys, tbh i got a bit rattled by the cp and neglected the site for a bit. Posting is back, but no links allowed any more.
If anyone knows a good way of blocking VPN IPs let me know, literally all unwanted posts come from VPNs.
I'm sure there are public lists out there. A quick search led me to several on github.
The admin of Rateyourmusic does this but it's trivially easy to get past by using an exit node in a smaller country with lesser-used servers. Not sure if he rolls his own list or uses public ones. It sucks for a lot of people, e.g. Chinese users. It's not a perfect system.
IP blocking also runs the risk of punishing those behind a CGNAT like mobile users.
Geoblocking is stupid too, practically 20th century security at this point -- though if you want to ban all American users you would see the quality of discussion increase dramatically. Food for thought...
There's a lot of security debate out there about how IP-based blocking isn't the number one solution, or shouldn't be used exclusively. Also banning links won't stop the kiddy porn posters as they use images, and this is an imageboard. Sorry that webhosting sucks so much in current year. I also believe in the dream of micro-scale communities but we are finding out together the hard way why that has fallen by the wayside.
Anonymous :
135 days ago :
No.7955
>>7970
>>7968
>I remember the day some dipshit added an image thread to my favorite forum and it essentially made the new post notification for the general forum useless. Posting quality declined a lot too.
That's interesting, and made me realise it probably has to do with the information density of an image, and how that means it can easily supersede text. You can spread around a copypasta, but it's nowhere near as immediate in effect as an image. No images on a site means it demands a different kind of attention, and I know a recent textboard with that kind of intention that was posted to /lit/, but it seemed dead on arrival.
That said, no images means you're missing out on a really information-dense medium. It's part of why I think /mu/ worked for so long: album art is most often a very permanent and representative image associated with the album itself, more so than say a book cover. Some /mu/core album could get in your head before you even listen to it because you'd already seen it a million times.
I can imagine a hybrid solution where image uploads are almost entirely separate from primary discourse, where images are submitted to a queue similar to what >>7955 says, but the post would go through before, and irrespective of, the image approval; a post could reference an image with say an embed, but would exist independently. Approved images are then permanently hosted (maybe that's a little onerous) and can be referenced by users. But this is me bullshitting, not really suggesting it.
Put all new posts with images in a mod queue?
Anonymous :
132 days ago :
No.7966
>>7967
>>7966
was pasting the pasta here offensive? to whom?
in case: sorry, need to be more careful next time
>>7971>>7966 >>7967
Are you guys referring to >>7957? That's Portuguese, obviously.
>>7970
I don't think admin wants queues because it increases his workload by a hundred. And he already has a job and life outside of the internet (somehow). The spam only started when this place got advertisement from imageboard circles and other second-hand chan backwash like Kiwifarms -- for a full year and a half or so it was just folks from reddit and was totally fine and even rather active.
Proposal: ban the Spanish language from petrarchan. It's what Charlie Kirk would have wanted.
Anonymous :
131 days ago :
No.7967
>>7971
>>7966 >>7967
Are you guys referring to >>7957? That's Portuguese, obviously.
>>7970
I don't think admin wants queues because it increases his workload by a hundred. And he already has a job and life outside of the internet (somehow). The spam only started when this place got advertisement from imageboard circles and other second-hand chan backwash like Kiwifarms -- for a full year and a half or so it was just folks from reddit and was totally fine and even rather active.
>>7966
Proposal: ban the Spanish language from petrarchan. It's what Charlie Kirk would have wanted.
was pasting the pasta here offensive? to whom?
in case: sorry, need to be more careful next time
Anonymous :
131 days ago :
No.7968
>>7970
>>7968
>I remember the day some dipshit added an image thread to my favorite forum and it essentially made the new post notification for the general forum useless. Posting quality declined a lot too.
That's interesting, and made me realise it probably has to do with the information density of an image, and how that means it can easily supersede text. You can spread around a copypasta, but it's nowhere near as immediate in effect as an image. No images on a site means it demands a different kind of attention, and I know a recent textboard with that kind of intention that was posted to /lit/, but it seemed dead on arrival.
That said, no images means you're missing out on a really information-dense medium. It's part of why I think /mu/ worked for so long: album art is most often a very permanent and representative image associated with the album itself, more so than say a book cover. Some /mu/core album could get in your head before you even listen to it because you'd already seen it a million times.
I can imagine a hybrid solution where image uploads are almost entirely separate from primary discourse, where images are submitted to a queue similar to what >>7955 says, but the post would go through before, and irrespective of, the image approval; a post could reference an image with say an embed, but would exist independently. Approved images are then permanently hosted (maybe that's a little onerous) and can be referenced by users. But this is me bullshitting, not really suggesting it.
>>7990>>7968
The problem with only text now is that it attracts long boring posters like shit does flies. Difficult to get back what we have lost
>>7954
>>7950
I'm sure there are public lists out there. A quick search led me to several on github.
The admin of Rateyourmusic does this but it's trivially easy to get past by using an exit node in a smaller country with lesser-used servers. Not sure if he rolls his own list or uses public ones. It sucks for a lot of people, e.g. Chinese users. It's not a perfect system.
IP blocking also runs the risk of punishing those behind a CGNAT like mobile users.
Geoblocking is stupid too, practically 20th century security at this point -- though if you want to ban all American users you would see the quality of discussion increase dramatically. Food for thought...
There's a lot of security debate out there about how IP-based blocking isn't the number one solution, or shouldn't be used exclusively. Also banning links won't stop the kiddy porn posters as they use images, and this is an imageboard. Sorry that webhosting sucks so much in current year. I also believe in the dream of micro-scale communities but we are finding out together the hard way why that has fallen by the wayside.
>I also believe in the dream of micro-scale communities but we are finding out together the hard way why that has fallen by the wayside.
So do I. I do think the web was better when it was more text than images though. Imageboards like this are quaint and nostalgic now but were once the cutting edge of rotting the internet. I remember the day some dipshit added an image thread to my favorite forum and it essentially made the new post notification for the general forum useless. Posting quality declined a lot too. Lately, I've been hanging out on parts of the internet that are not the web. It's better, but there's literally nothing that can be done about the externality of 99.9% of people using the internet in the decadent fashion they have been for the past couple decades. If you opt out of the derangement machine and everyone else opts in, you still have to deal with crazy people all the time. It's just the crazy people become society rather than a mere subset that uses the derangement machine.
Anonymous :
131 days ago :
No.7970
>>7971
>>7966 >>7967
Are you guys referring to >>7957? That's Portuguese, obviously.
>>7970
I don't think admin wants queues because it increases his workload by a hundred. And he already has a job and life outside of the internet (somehow). The spam only started when this place got advertisement from imageboard circles and other second-hand chan backwash like Kiwifarms -- for a full year and a half or so it was just folks from reddit and was totally fine and even rather active.
>>8085>>7970
>I know a recent textboard with that kind of intention that was posted
Share. I don't care how doomed you think it is, that still sounds better.
>>7990
>The problem with only text now is that it attracts long boring posters like shit does flies
You'd have to be specific about what you mean by long and boring. It may just be that you're one of the externality types I'm talking about. Or it could just be that externality plus selection bias, because there are plenty of people capable of a text only community. I was there. I saw it. It disappeared when iPhones and Facebook brought the dregs in and then a billion or two third worlders logged on as well, which was just too much for internet culture to acclimate in such a short amount of time.
>>7968
>>7954
>I also believe in the dream of micro-scale communities but we are finding out together the hard way why that has fallen by the wayside.
So do I. I do think the web was better when it was more text than images though. Imageboards like this are quaint and nostalgic now but were once the cutting edge of rotting the internet. I remember the day some dipshit added an image thread to my favorite forum and it essentially made the new post notification for the general forum useless. Posting quality declined a lot too. Lately, I've been hanging out on parts of the internet that are not the web. It's better, but there's literally nothing that can be done about the externality of 99.9% of people using the internet in the decadent fashion they have been for the past couple decades. If you opt out of the derangement machine and everyone else opts in, you still have to deal with crazy people all the time. It's just the crazy people become society rather than a mere subset that uses the derangement machine.
>I remember the day some dipshit added an image thread to my favorite forum and it essentially made the new post notification for the general forum useless. Posting quality declined a lot too.
That's interesting, and made me realise it probably has to do with the information density of an image, and how that means it can easily supersede text. You can spread around a copypasta, but it's nowhere near as immediate in effect as an image. No images on a site means it demands a different kind of attention, and I know a recent textboard with that kind of intention that was posted to /lit/, but it seemed dead on arrival.
That said, no images means you're missing out on a really information-dense medium. It's part of why I think /mu/ worked for so long: album art is most often a very permanent and representative image associated with the album itself, more so than say a book cover. Some /mu/core album could get in your head before you even listen to it because you'd already seen it a million times.
I can imagine a hybrid solution where image uploads are almost entirely separate from primary discourse, where images are submitted to a queue similar to what >>7955Put all new posts with images in a mod queue?
says, but the post would go through before, and irrespective of, the image approval; a post could reference an image with say an embed, but would exist independently. Approved images are then permanently hosted (maybe that's a little onerous) and can be referenced by users. But this is me bullshitting, not really suggesting it.
>>7966
Proposal: ban the Spanish language from petrarchan. It's what Charlie Kirk would have wanted.
>>7967>>7966
was pasting the pasta here offensive? to whom?
in case: sorry, need to be more careful next time
Are you guys referring to >>7957? That's Portuguese, obviously.
>>7970>>7968
>I remember the day some dipshit added an image thread to my favorite forum and it essentially made the new post notification for the general forum useless. Posting quality declined a lot too.
That's interesting, and made me realise it probably has to do with the information density of an image, and how that means it can easily supersede text. You can spread around a copypasta, but it's nowhere near as immediate in effect as an image. No images on a site means it demands a different kind of attention, and I know a recent textboard with that kind of intention that was posted to /lit/, but it seemed dead on arrival.
That said, no images means you're missing out on a really information-dense medium. It's part of why I think /mu/ worked for so long: album art is most often a very permanent and representative image associated with the album itself, more so than say a book cover. Some /mu/core album could get in your head before you even listen to it because you'd already seen it a million times.
I can imagine a hybrid solution where image uploads are almost entirely separate from primary discourse, where images are submitted to a queue similar to what >>7955 says, but the post would go through before, and irrespective of, the image approval; a post could reference an image with say an embed, but would exist independently. Approved images are then permanently hosted (maybe that's a little onerous) and can be referenced by users. But this is me bullshitting, not really suggesting it.
I don't think admin wants queues because it increases his workload by a hundred. And he already has a job and life outside of the internet (somehow). The spam only started when this place got advertisement from imageboard circles and other second-hand chan backwash like Kiwifarms -- for a full year and a half or so it was just folks from reddit and was totally fine and even rather active.
Anonymous (Admin) :
129 days ago :
No.7983
>>8071
>>7983
Looks like a certain admin lurks our little corner of the web and got some inspiration...
Game plan is to implement local AI first-stage filtering of posts for spam (and worse), with manual post approval. Should not make too much of a difference for you guys.
Anonymous :
129 days ago :
No.7990
>>8085
>>7970
>I know a recent textboard with that kind of intention that was posted
Share. I don't care how doomed you think it is, that still sounds better.
>>7990
>The problem with only text now is that it attracts long boring posters like shit does flies
You'd have to be specific about what you mean by long and boring. It may just be that you're one of the externality types I'm talking about. Or it could just be that externality plus selection bias, because there are plenty of people capable of a text only community. I was there. I saw it. It disappeared when iPhones and Facebook brought the dregs in and then a billion or two third worlders logged on as well, which was just too much for internet culture to acclimate in such a short amount of time.
>>7968
>>7954
>I also believe in the dream of micro-scale communities but we are finding out together the hard way why that has fallen by the wayside.
So do I. I do think the web was better when it was more text than images though. Imageboards like this are quaint and nostalgic now but were once the cutting edge of rotting the internet. I remember the day some dipshit added an image thread to my favorite forum and it essentially made the new post notification for the general forum useless. Posting quality declined a lot too. Lately, I've been hanging out on parts of the internet that are not the web. It's better, but there's literally nothing that can be done about the externality of 99.9% of people using the internet in the decadent fashion they have been for the past couple decades. If you opt out of the derangement machine and everyone else opts in, you still have to deal with crazy people all the time. It's just the crazy people become society rather than a mere subset that uses the derangement machine.
The problem with only text now is that it attracts long boring posters like shit does flies. Difficult to get back what we have lost
Anonymous :
120 days ago :
No.8071
>>8072
>>8071
if he steals my idea i'm gonna sue him for his millions
>>7983
Game plan is to implement local AI first-stage filtering of posts for spam (and worse), with manual post approval. Should not make too much of a difference for you guys.
Looks like a certain admin lurks our little corner of the web and got some inspiration...
Anonymous :
119 days ago :
No.8085
>>8099
>>8085
>Share. I don't care how doomed you think it is, that still sounds better.
not that anon, but there is bluedwarf dot top. It's a forum with no images permitted. There is a tiny userbase and not very interesting posts.
>>7970
>>7968
>I remember the day some dipshit added an image thread to my favorite forum and it essentially made the new post notification for the general forum useless. Posting quality declined a lot too.
That's interesting, and made me realise it probably has to do with the information density of an image, and how that means it can easily supersede text. You can spread around a copypasta, but it's nowhere near as immediate in effect as an image. No images on a site means it demands a different kind of attention, and I know a recent textboard with that kind of intention that was posted to /lit/, but it seemed dead on arrival.
That said, no images means you're missing out on a really information-dense medium. It's part of why I think /mu/ worked for so long: album art is most often a very permanent and representative image associated with the album itself, more so than say a book cover. Some /mu/core album could get in your head before you even listen to it because you'd already seen it a million times.
I can imagine a hybrid solution where image uploads are almost entirely separate from primary discourse, where images are submitted to a queue similar to what >>7955 says, but the post would go through before, and irrespective of, the image approval; a post could reference an image with say an embed, but would exist independently. Approved images are then permanently hosted (maybe that's a little onerous) and can be referenced by users. But this is me bullshitting, not really suggesting it.
>I know a recent textboard with that kind of intention that was posted
Share. I don't care how doomed you think it is, that still sounds better.
>>7990>>7968
The problem with only text now is that it attracts long boring posters like shit does flies. Difficult to get back what we have lost
>The problem with only text now is that it attracts long boring posters like shit does flies
You'd have to be specific about what you mean by long and boring. It may just be that you're one of the externality types I'm talking about. Or it could just be that externality plus selection bias, because there are plenty of people capable of a text only community. I was there. I saw it. It disappeared when iPhones and Facebook brought the dregs in and then a billion or two third worlders logged on as well, which was just too much for internet culture to acclimate in such a short amount of time.
>>8085
>>7970
>I know a recent textboard with that kind of intention that was posted
Share. I don't care how doomed you think it is, that still sounds better.
>>7990
>The problem with only text now is that it attracts long boring posters like shit does flies
You'd have to be specific about what you mean by long and boring. It may just be that you're one of the externality types I'm talking about. Or it could just be that externality plus selection bias, because there are plenty of people capable of a text only community. I was there. I saw it. It disappeared when iPhones and Facebook brought the dregs in and then a billion or two third worlders logged on as well, which was just too much for internet culture to acclimate in such a short amount of time.
>Share. I don't care how doomed you think it is, that still sounds better.
not that anon, but there is bluedwarf dot top. It's a forum with no images permitted. There is a tiny userbase and not very interesting posts.
Anonymous :
8 days ago :
No.8675
>>8677
>>8675
i try and keep the codebase relatively minimal so the url matching is just a list of domains in the database which i build into a hashset at runtime and then compare against. i guess i could build one massive regex of all legal domains (incl wildcarding) and use that as the filter but (a) its more complex (b) it could plausibly blow up the performance if the whitelist got large, while a hashset is strictly O(1) lookup
Anonymous :
8 days ago :
No.8677
>>8684
>>8677
I'm not certain on how the hash stuff works, but if it requires exact matches then is there not something you could be doing at the parsing stage? I figure you have to be identifying URLs somehow in the first place to block posts, so maybe a rule could be implemented at that stage to ignore subdomains, or rather not identify subdomains as part of your URL parser or whatever.
>>8679
If it's the same as 4chan's built-in archive, it's not a permanent archive but limited to X posts or days. But I don't know.
>>8675
>>8673
Is that not something that can be easily wildcarded? or filtered around ".bandcamp.com"?
i try and keep the codebase relatively minimal so the url matching is just a list of domains in the database which i build into a hashset at runtime and then compare against. i guess i could build one massive regex of all legal domains (incl wildcarding) and use that as the filter but (a) its more complex (b) it could plausibly blow up the performance if the whitelist got large, while a hashset is strictly O(1) lookup
Anonymous :
7 days ago :
No.8679
>>8684
>>8677
I'm not certain on how the hash stuff works, but if it requires exact matches then is there not something you could be doing at the parsing stage? I figure you have to be identifying URLs somehow in the first place to block posts, so maybe a rule could be implemented at that stage to ignore subdomains, or rather not identify subdomains as part of your URL parser or whatever.
>>8679
If it's the same as 4chan's built-in archive, it's not a permanent archive but limited to X posts or days. But I don't know.
I'm iffy on the archive, I sort of enjoyed the freedom knowing I could shitpost and it wouldn't be saved forever to be dug up in the future. But it's your site so w/e
>>8677
>>8675
i try and keep the codebase relatively minimal so the url matching is just a list of domains in the database which i build into a hashset at runtime and then compare against. i guess i could build one massive regex of all legal domains (incl wildcarding) and use that as the filter but (a) its more complex (b) it could plausibly blow up the performance if the whitelist got large, while a hashset is strictly O(1) lookup
I'm not certain on how the hash stuff works, but if it requires exact matches then is there not something you could be doing at the parsing stage? I figure you have to be identifying URLs somehow in the first place to block posts, so maybe a rule could be implemented at that stage to ignore subdomains, or rather not identify subdomains as part of your URL parser or whatever.
>>8679I'm iffy on the archive, I sort of enjoyed the freedom knowing I could shitpost and it wouldn't be saved forever to be dug up in the future. But it's your site so w/e
If it's the same as 4chan's built-in archive, it's not a permanent archive but limited to X posts or days. But I don't know.
Anonymous :
6 days ago :
No.8691
>>8694
>>8691
the thread was pushed to the archive because there was a new thread in the mod queue, which i deleted, so it got restored to the catalog
Archive is empty now when it previously held a single thread. Did the thread age out or something? Are there limits to the archive?
Anonymous :
6 days ago :
No.8694
>>8695
>>8694
Was it spam or are you actually starting to do some sort of intentional curation?
>>8691
Archive is empty now when it previously held a single thread. Did the thread age out or something? Are there limits to the archive?
the thread was pushed to the archive because there was a new thread in the mod queue, which i deleted, so it got restored to the catalog
Anonymous :
3 days ago :
No.8743
>>8744
>>8743
IIRC there's a technical reason why it's tricky or maybe impossible for multipart form upload. But also I think they're clutter and not very useful.
Admin: >>8526
Is there a specific reason why original filenames for uploads aren't shown in posts? It's very useful in the typical imageboard format for image sources.
? I'm wondering about filenames again.
Anonymous :
3 days ago :
No.8744
>>8745
>>8744
It came back to mind specifically because I was reverse-searching a photo someone posted here, which led me to its entry on Wikimedia Commons, where all of the images generally have semantic filenames that make them easy to track down. If the filename had been preserved, there's a chance I could have just used that to find it, which is relevant as reverse image searching becomes increasingly shitty. They're especially useful for any explicitly named image as well, like works of art.
>clutter
Even if it were only included in the filename it'd still be useful; that'd show up on hover or in new tabs, so no new UI element.
>>8744
>>8743
IIRC there's a technical reason why it's tricky or maybe impossible for multipart form upload. But also I think they're clutter and not very useful.
It came back to mind specifically because I was reverse-searching a photo someone posted here, which led me to its entry on Wikimedia Commons, where all of the images generally have semantic filenames that make them easy to track down. If the filename had been preserved, there's a chance I could have just used that to find it, which is relevant as reverse image searching becomes increasingly shitty. They're especially useful for any explicitly named image as well, like works of art.
>clutter
Even if it were only included in the filename it'd still be useful; that'd show up on hover or in new tabs, so no new UI element.